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施泰因迈尔 Stenmeier #13

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chinese-words-separator opened this issue Jul 10, 2022 · 1 comment
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施泰因迈尔 Stenmeier #13

chinese-words-separator opened this issue Jul 10, 2022 · 1 comment

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@chinese-words-separator

CedPane is awesome, novice language learners will tend to garden-path words like 泽连斯基 (Zelensky) when using dictionaries without CedPane

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施泰因邁爾 施泰因迈尔 [Shi1 tai4 yin1 mai4 er3] /Steinmeier/Frank-Walter Steinmeier is a German politician serving as President of Germany since 19 March 2017/

I think Frank-Walter Steinmeier is popular enough to have his information in Steinmeier's definition, just like Einstein

I wanted to use comma instead of is..

Frank-Walter Steinmeier, a German politician serving as President of Germany since 19 March 2017/

.., but my parser ignores the second definitions of CedPane if the second definition is just a reverse of the first definition. On CedPane, comma denotes reverse definition, e.g.,

鐘山區 钟山区 [Zhong1 shan1_Qu1] /Zhongshan District/District, Zhongshan/

It's tricky to detect reverse definition, sometimes it have corner cases that will fail the comparison. So my parser just ignores the second and succeeding definitions if they simply have a comma

翱翔於天 翱翔于天 [ao2 xiang2 yu2 tian1] /soar to the heavens (fig.|lit.)/heavens, soar to the (fig.|lit.)/

Steinmeier's reference: https://www.sohu.com/a/565657051_162522

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ssb22 commented Jul 10, 2022

Thanks. I just confirmed this is in common use on a bunch of Baidu results (news sites etc).

About the commas, it's only in the ChinaScribe format that we do this, and only because ChinaScribe has a "look up by English" function but not a "look up by English starting half way through" function (or maybe it does now, I haven't actually checked it for a while). The 'alternate order' headings are automatically generated, but I can set a flag to suppress it for an entry where it really doesn't make sense to add one.

I'd kind-of prefer something a little more concise than "a German politician serving as President of Germany since 19 March 2017" because this isn't Wikipedia, I'd go for something like "Steinmeier (German president 2017-)". But I'm not even sure we should do that because it turns out he's not the only notable Steinmeier out there: in economics there's this Gustman-Steinmeier retirement model. If we can establish that the Chinese translation is different for the President's name than it is for the economist's name, then yes we could do with 2 entries and say which one's which. But a quick search shows academic papers citing (格斯特曼和施泰因迈尔(Gustman and Steinmeier,2002) so I think we're going to have to add Steinmeier (and that version of Gustman, which is different from the version of Gustman we already had) as just names in this case.

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