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Is this restaurant kosher/halal? #639
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Hmm, users would need to be instructed how to detect whether a restaurant offers kosher and/or halal food. How would that be done? Also, how would it be tagged? |
Most restaurant will write somewhere, maybe on their sign that they are kosher, I will see if I can take an example picture soon. I don't know if it's the same for halal food, maybe someone Muslim would be able to answer that. There is diet:kosher and diet:halal tags with yes, no and only options |
The quest would be similar to #479 …, but may indeed be useful as it's own quest. Edit: dots in link fixed |
I'm not sure that it would need any more instruction than determining if something is vegan or not. |
@yotamN, while I'm not Muslim, I've seen a few restaurants that advertise themselves as halal. There was one right next to my workplace when I was in California. |
Remember the quest must be easily solvable by users who are not "experts" in what the quest asks. As such by non-Muslim users, here, of course. Also it is cumbersome to tag all the "no" answers here in many countries, as such restaurants are likely in the minority. As such, this would not fulfill the "no spam" requirement of sc quests. As such in many European countries the quest may actually be disabled/blacklisted by default. But I really can imagine that in some countries such a quest would actually be useful. It just needs around ~50% (it maybe even less) of the quest answers to be answerable with yes. |
If this violates the anti spam rule, then how does the vegan one not? Most restaurants dont have vegan main dishes, in my experience. |
Yes, that's also a reason why the quest is disabled by default, AFAIK. The same could be done with this quest here. And as said, it could also be adjusted by region. |
@rugk It's pretty easy to identify a kosher restaurant, here is an example for a kosher McDonalds: |
As already said earlier: this really depends on the country... I've never seen something like this in a country like Germany or the US... |
Can someone give any example of any region where
The same for halal. |
@matkoniecz Sorry for not answering earlier. Yes, this picture was taken in Israel and every kosher restaurant will say it somewhere that their customers could see. |
So every single restaurant that has no kosher sign is not kosher? How many restaurants are not kosher? 1%? 10%? 50%? |
Given that we have not even single example of region where
(the same for halal) it seems that this quest does not fit StreetComplete. |
As for vegetarian/vegan or not it's also not done and we have a vegan/vegetarian quest. As said, of course it needs to be disabled by default, because you may need to go inside.
We did not yet have a definite answer (@yotamN still has not replied to your last question), but it has been suggested this could certainly be the case in countries like Israel, etc. |
According to a study from 2009, 23% of the restaurants in Israel are kosher, 37.4% in Jerusalem. |
But is it only the country Israel in which a quest like this would make sense or are there some other countries which were not mentioned before? |
Wow, cool. Can you show an example for that? |
Here it is. (Taken from an article in a local news website) Note: At the time of this writing the site contained in the QR Code shows a 500 Internal Server Error message, but it is the standard used in other Halal restaurants in Indonesia. |
In case that the "Scan QR" feature is shipped for Halal / Kosher quests I'd like to put the data on The data in the right QR code on my previous comment is |
Info from Israel (summary from mini-survey):
I also asked on https://t.me/OSM_Israel/1664 |
Summary would be that it often requires going inside and is not always solvable from outside. Therefore I plan to implement it as disabled by default. With quest disabled by default I am unsure is it necessary to make it limited to Israel. |
I don't think it should be limited to just Israel, London has a number of large Jewish communities: For example: Likewise for the Halal ones it can be quite common in some areas to have Halal restaurants and supermarkets. |
kosher quest implemented by @matkoniecz |
@matkoniecz , I'm not familiar with street complete framework, can it be enabled by default in Israel but not limited to Israel only? |
This was implemented for kosher places by #2244. |
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It still has. Seems it's not really a reliable data source. 😅 Otherwise it would have been a suggestion to integrate that, but well… |
Ask for other amenities too (nightclub, biergarten, bar ...) #3431 (comment) ? |
Any place selling/serving food should be asked. |
But only if it's tagged that they do Based on @yrtimiD comment in streetcomplete#639 (comment)
General
For nodes with amenity=restaurant there should be a quest asking if the restaurant is kosher and/or halal. This question should only apply in countries with enough Jews/Muslims. For the kosher question only Israel, Gibraltar, United States and Canada have more than 1% Jews, for the halal question you can look at Wikipedia.
Maybe it can also be added to supermarkets and convenience stores but I'm not sure how common is it.
Checklist
Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):
The answer for diet is mostly yes or no so I'm not sure if it would be spam.
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