Support for Android < 5 (4.*)

[valerio-bozzolan]

I think that you was waiting for this request from your community :D

The Android Support Library is very useful for that.

(For the records: sadly my latest avaiable CyanogenMod is a 4.4)

[ZatsuneNoMokou]

Only available on android 5+, that's why I can't install it? (Lastest for me is 4.4.4)

[ZatsuneNoMokou]

Only available on android 5+, that's why I can't install it? (Lastest for me is 4.4.4)

[fornwall]

Hi, Termux is only available on Android 5.0 or later indeed.

The app itself could be ported to run on previous Android versions, but porting the collection of packages are a considerable larger task, since Android broke compatibility of the system libc in Android 5.

Would the app itself (without many packages) be interesting in itself for older versions, running just as a terminal emulator?

[fornwall]

Hi, Termux is only available on Android 5.0 or later indeed.

The app itself could be ported to run on previous Android versions, but porting the collection of packages are a considerable larger task, since Android broke compatibility of the system libc in Android 5.

Would the app itself (without many packages) be interesting in itself for older versions, running just as a terminal emulator?

[ZatsuneNoMokou]

It mean, without things like nano?

[ZatsuneNoMokou]

It mean, without things like nano?

[fornwall]

Yes, a question is if people are interested in running Termux just as a terminal emulator without packages (which could then be made to run on previous Android versions, and more cpu arches such as mips). Or if it's not much point in making a "Termux Terminal" without packages...

[fornwall]

Yes, a question is if people are interested in running Termux just as a terminal emulator without packages (which could then be made to run on previous Android versions, and more cpu arches such as mips). Or if it's not much point in making a "Termux Terminal" without packages...

[ZatsuneNoMokou]

Dunno if it's much useful, there's several other terminal apps

[ZatsuneNoMokou]

Dunno if it's much useful, there's several other terminal apps

[skeevy420]

I'd be extremely interested in running Termux on 4.0 ICS. My previous phone is an Atrix HD, ICS & JB stock roms, but only the ICS stock works with my Motorola Lapdock 500 - a phone dock with a 13" screen, keyboard, & touchpad (hdmi driver changed in the kernel between ICS & JB as well as it's settings in the stock rom removed).

Currently my solution is to use Linux Deploy and use an Arch Linux chroot for advanced needs, but Termux does all that I need to use that chroot for -- Zsh shell, ssh, quick nano edits.

My current phone is the LG G3 and Termux works great. It's one of my go-to, must have applications now (especially since Zshaolin doesn't work past KitKat). Just purchased Styling and I'm picking up Float once I get a few more Google Rewards surveys.

[skeevy420]

I'd be extremely interested in running Termux on 4.0 ICS. My previous phone is an Atrix HD, ICS & JB stock roms, but only the ICS stock works with my Motorola Lapdock 500 - a phone dock with a 13" screen, keyboard, & touchpad (hdmi driver changed in the kernel between ICS & JB as well as it's settings in the stock rom removed).

Currently my solution is to use Linux Deploy and use an Arch Linux chroot for advanced needs, but Termux does all that I need to use that chroot for -- Zsh shell, ssh, quick nano edits.

My current phone is the LG G3 and Termux works great. It's one of my go-to, must have applications now (especially since Zshaolin doesn't work past KitKat). Just purchased Styling and I'm picking up Float once I get a few more Google Rewards surveys.

[linhua55]

Could we replace package manager "APT" with "emerge(Portage)" (in Gentoo) to support more cpu arches.

[linhua55]

Could we replace package manager "APT" with "emerge(Portage)" (in Gentoo) to support more cpu arches.

[ThePreviousOne]

@linhua55 pacman as mentioned here termux/termux-packages#104 would be likely be good. Plus http://archlinuxarm.org/packages already has many prebuild armv6 packages and there are mips packages somewhere aswell

[ThePreviousOne]

@linhua55 pacman as mentioned here termux/termux-packages#104 would be likely be good. Plus http://archlinuxarm.org/packages already has many prebuild armv6 packages and there are mips packages somewhere aswell

[joakim-noah]

@fornwall, what specific libc compatibility did you have in mind? I've been porting the D standard library to use bionic back to API 9 and have had few issues, though only tested on actual devices back to API 16, ie 4.1 Jelly Bean, so far. If you simply compile using the NDK compilers against an older API, Android maintains backward compatibility, so the resulting binaries should work on Android 4 (well, technically even back to Android 2).

[joakim-noah]

@fornwall, what specific libc compatibility did you have in mind? I've been porting the D standard library to use bionic back to API 9 and have had few issues, though only tested on actual devices back to API 16, ie 4.1 Jelly Bean, so far. If you simply compile using the NDK compilers against an older API, Android maintains backward compatibility, so the resulting binaries should work on Android 4 (well, technically even back to Android 2).

[franciscod]

what about using arch linux arm packages? would they work?

[franciscod]

what about using arch linux arm packages? would they work?

[easyaspi314]

I have a 2.3.7 armv6 phone if it will help.

[easyaspi314]

I have a 2.3.7 armv6 phone if it will help.

[joakim-noah]

@franciscod, if you did something similar to this, you might be able to use Arch linux arm packages, if you packaged glibc too.

[joakim-noah]

@franciscod, if you did something similar to this, you might be able to use Arch linux arm packages, if you packaged glibc too.

[franciscod]

nice link! thanks, KBOX seems similar to termux, we should probably mention that somewhere and list some of their similarities/differences

[franciscod]

nice link! thanks, KBOX seems similar to termux, we should probably mention that somewhere and list some of their similarities/differences

[voidling42]

@fornwall Hi Fredrik!
I would very much be interested in a down-port of only the core app as well. I assume that would mean that most of the nifty addons like api and widgets will not work. The one package I would need to make this useful is openssh - I assume when you say "without many packages" ssh would/could be included.

Why would this be so great? Because the usability of the terminal itself is really good: pinch to zoom, I am able to use the standard keyboard (and do not have to ressort to hacker's keyboard) because of the VolUp/VolDown shortcuts, easy copy/paste, wakelock...

If you can go lower than Kitkat it would be great (4.2 would be very nice).

Cheers,
Raja

[voidling42]

@fornwall Hi Fredrik!
I would very much be interested in a down-port of only the core app as well. I assume that would mean that most of the nifty addons like api and widgets will not work. The one package I would need to make this useful is openssh - I assume when you say "without many packages" ssh would/could be included.

Why would this be so great? Because the usability of the terminal itself is really good: pinch to zoom, I am able to use the standard keyboard (and do not have to ressort to hacker's keyboard) because of the VolUp/VolDown shortcuts, easy copy/paste, wakelock...

If you can go lower than Kitkat it would be great (4.2 would be very nice).

Cheers,
Raja

[easyaspi314]

4.1. Might as well support that; they are almost identical and 4.1 has 7% usage, rather significant for Android.

There are only a few differences which usually can be fixed with reflection. It also supports PIE.

[easyaspi314]

4.1. Might as well support that; they are almost identical and 4.1 has 7% usage, rather significant for Android.

There are only a few differences which usually can be fixed with reflection. It also supports PIE.

[spaesani]

Can you point us in the right direction for a port?

I've allready changed the theme to AppCompat

Some mentioned here a lib change. Can you indicate which your jni calls use the newer lib?

[spaesani]

Can you point us in the right direction for a port?

I've allready changed the theme to AppCompat

Some mentioned here a lib change. Can you indicate which your jni calls use the newer lib?

[spaesani]

Backported the android.system.os code..

any indication of what other new apis were used is appreciated

[spaesani]

Backported the android.system.os code..

any indication of what other new apis were used is appreciated

[spaesani]

jni looks pretty std..

[spaesani]

jni looks pretty std..

[spaesani]

on 4.4.2 crashes on launch every time. I suspect my lack of knowledge in Material designn backporting is at play. .. uninstall.
:)

[spaesani]

on 4.4.2 crashes on launch every time. I suspect my lack of knowledge in Material designn backporting is at play. .. uninstall.
:)

[TheDiamondYT1]

Its not all about material design... You have to change the minimum sdk and other things (Just run after changing the sdk and check logcat if there is crashes)

[TheDiamondYT1]

Its not all about material design... You have to change the minimum sdk and other things (Just run after changing the sdk and check logcat if there is crashes)

[easyaspi314]

Besides, that's what AppCompat is for. Unless it's a NativeActivity. No AppCompatNativeActivity for us. :(

[easyaspi314]

Besides, that's what AppCompat is for. Unless it's a NativeActivity. No AppCompatNativeActivity for us. :(

[TheDiamondYT1]

AppCompat is for back porting design changes, and thats it. It also adds a few new things and makes some worse

cough The settings screen in AppCompat is sh*t

[TheDiamondYT1]

AppCompat is for back porting design changes, and thats it. It also adds a few new things and makes some worse

cough The settings screen in AppCompat is sh*t

[TheComputerGuy96]

I need node.js on Android (because only Termux provides node.js Android package)

[TheComputerGuy96]

I need node.js on Android (because only Termux provides node.js Android package)

[fornwall]

I'm sorry for it, but I think the honest thing to do here is to close the issue, as a version of Termux for Android versions older than 5.0 is just not going to happen.

Termux packages (as opposed to the app) are intimately coupled to details of the system libc, linker and kernel, in a way that makes it hard to support older version at the same time as newer ones in a robust way. Sorry for those affected - for devices stuck on older android versions, you may try out ZShaolin or Terminal-IDE as alternatives.

[fornwall]

I'm sorry for it, but I think the honest thing to do here is to close the issue, as a version of Termux for Android versions older than 5.0 is just not going to happen.

Termux packages (as opposed to the app) are intimately coupled to details of the system libc, linker and kernel, in a way that makes it hard to support older version at the same time as newer ones in a robust way. Sorry for those affected - for devices stuck on older android versions, you may try out ZShaolin or Terminal-IDE as alternatives.

[laymonk]

It's a pity there is no plan to provide for kitkat, but I do understand the challenges stated. So, what to make of kitkatapk.com's port ?

I do wonder about packages support in this port .. Just pondering @fornwall's opinion of this port before attempting to use it.

[laymonk]

It's a pity there is no plan to provide for kitkat, but I do understand the challenges stated. So, what to make of kitkatapk.com's port ?

I do wonder about packages support in this port .. Just pondering @fornwall's opinion of this port before attempting to use it.

[TheDiamondYT1]

Its fake

[TheDiamondYT1]

Its fake

[TheDiamondYT1]

They litteraly just uploaded the apk and renamed it. You get parse error

[TheDiamondYT1]

They litteraly just uploaded the apk and renamed it. You get parse error

[laymonk]

Thanks a million @TheDiamondYT1 .. Glad I asked first. Oh well, looks like I have to settle for the much lesser (sic) TerminalIDE, for now.

[laymonk]

Thanks a million @TheDiamondYT1 .. Glad I asked first. Oh well, looks like I have to settle for the much lesser (sic) TerminalIDE, for now.

[QGB]

mark

[QGB]

mark

[MineFuehrer]

A pity then!

[MineFuehrer]

A pity then!

[axujen]

Sorry to comment on a closed issue.
But if someone lands here through a search engine i would like to recommend an alternative to termux: entware-ng

its designed for routers, but it works on android perfectly and is even considerate of disk usage, they have a small guide on how to install it on android.

Its more effort but its a very robust solution, they even have avahi-daemon working which is great.
As for an android frontend, any terminal app will do, but i prefer to ssh into it through my computer.

[axujen]

Sorry to comment on a closed issue.
But if someone lands here through a search engine i would like to recommend an alternative to termux: entware-ng

its designed for routers, but it works on android perfectly and is even considerate of disk usage, they have a small guide on how to install it on android.

Its more effort but its a very robust solution, they even have avahi-daemon working which is great.
As for an android frontend, any terminal app will do, but i prefer to ssh into it through my computer.

[laymonk]

nice one, @axujen ..

entware-ng looks great .. package management included .. install any package in the huge list .. list includes practically all common unix/linux packages, servers .. impressive.

[laymonk]

nice one, @axujen ..

entware-ng looks great .. package management included .. install any package in the huge list .. list includes practically all common unix/linux packages, servers .. impressive.

[the-geek-133]

I think it is possible if you can install a lightweight Linux distro using Android emulators like Limbo / Bochs. Another possibility is GnuRoot Debian by Corbin Champion or Debian Noroot by user "Pelya", although it is not as fast as Termux, it can hopefully install Node.js etc... Depending upon your device specs, you may go for lightweight distros such as lubuntu... It is also possible to use Debian, gentoo etc. with GUI using XServer XSDL or VNCViewer etc.. (I don't have good idea about this).

Good luck.. One compromise is Speed and ease of use like in Termux.. Although you may achieve many objectives..

[the-geek-133]

I think it is possible if you can install a lightweight Linux distro using Android emulators like Limbo / Bochs. Another possibility is GnuRoot Debian by Corbin Champion or Debian Noroot by user "Pelya", although it is not as fast as Termux, it can hopefully install Node.js etc... Depending upon your device specs, you may go for lightweight distros such as lubuntu... It is also possible to use Debian, gentoo etc. with GUI using XServer XSDL or VNCViewer etc.. (I don't have good idea about this).

Good luck.. One compromise is Speed and ease of use like in Termux.. Although you may achieve many objectives..

[joeky888]

For Android 4.4+ devices, no root, no SD card and don't even enable the Developer Options

Try Pydroid3 , which has python3-pip and busybox pre-installed.

If you want to use extra commands without using adb push (which requires Developer Options),

You can just use the Pydroid3 terminal to copy the command to the app home, like this

cp ~/Download/aria2c /data/data/ru.iiec.pydroid3/files/aria2c

chmod 777 /data/data/ru.iiec.pydroid3/files/aria2c

[joeky888]

For Android 4.4+ devices, no root, no SD card and don't even enable the Developer Options

Try Pydroid3 , which has python3-pip and busybox pre-installed.

If you want to use extra commands without using adb push (which requires Developer Options),

You can just use the Pydroid3 terminal to copy the command to the app home, like this

cp ~/Download/aria2c /data/data/ru.iiec.pydroid3/files/aria2c

chmod 777 /data/data/ru.iiec.pydroid3/files/aria2c

[DoktorStein]

@fornwall Yes, it'd be very useful to have Termux with no or lesser packages for Android 4.x. See #629.

[DoktorStein]

@fornwall Yes, it'd be very useful to have Termux with no or lesser packages for Android 4.x. See #629.

[the-geek-133]

Try KBox by Kevin Boone. Has limited no. of packages but should work in Termux (or any other terminal emulator) as a user space binary. That is just like how you use busybox. Of course you can compile some more packages yourself. There are some projects. I don't know if they work with Android <5.0 or not. But will work. * Noroot Debian * Gnuroot Debian * Gentoo Prefix for android devices -- Project hosted on Sourceforge. Unfortunately none of these are as lightweight as Termux / KBox...

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[the-geek-133]

Try KBox by Kevin Boone. Has limited no. of packages but should work in Termux (or any other terminal emulator) as a user space binary. That is just like how you use busybox. Of course you can compile some more packages yourself. There are some projects. I don't know if they work with Android <5.0 or not. But will work. * Noroot Debian * Gnuroot Debian * Gentoo Prefix for android devices -- Project hosted on Sourceforge. Unfortunately none of these are as lightweight as Termux / KBox...

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On Jun 5, 2018 8:33 PM, "DoktorStein" ***@***.***> wrote: @fornwall <https://github.com/fornwall> Yes, it'd be very useful to have *Termux* *with no or lesser packages* for *Android 4.x*. See #629 <#629>. — You are receiving this because you commented. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#6 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AjhUBB920kKJ8hjKT9z0KG1wEPPOlFiRks5t5p2lgaJpZM4GXx8R> .

[DoktorStein]

Termux won't install on devices with Android < 5. I run Arch via Linux Deploy on Android 4 using jackpal's Terminal, but its not the same experience as Termux as a terminal emulator. So wether if using KBox or sh, I think it would be great to have Termux as a terminal emulator for older versions of Android.

[DoktorStein]

Termux won't install on devices with Android < 5. I run Arch via Linux Deploy on Android 4 using jackpal's Terminal, but its not the same experience as Termux as a terminal emulator. So wether if using KBox or sh, I think it would be great to have Termux as a terminal emulator for older versions of Android.