The physical blackbox object no longer stores feedback data #23419
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ChangelingRain
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How this piece of crap survived as long as it did is beyond me. Also, who in the hell thought it was a good idea to make this an in world actual object as opposed to a controller or datum to begin with? |
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Take a guess e6aa3fc |
The entire point was to make it meme well with "black box" as an object. the idea being that all in game stats go thru the stations blackbox recorder as a nice easteregg. And its lasted 6 years because every time somebody tries to change it, I'm in here, defending it. |
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MSO this isn't tablecrafting and in this case it's a bit silly to have our feedback relying on a physical object that other people insist on breaking all the time. |
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Actually, this has only been broken once. When qdel was added. This wasn't a new bug at all, it was just that del(src) also acts as a return and that wasn't changed when it was changed to qdel() The bug existed since then. |
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Not to mention that I would love to make an ability to actually delete this object, and i mean truly delete it, to wipe all stats for the round. |
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Like that can be a feature. |
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And the idea that it would be a facade, and it would really just flip some switch to not report them feels cheap. |
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If i added such a feature, what do you think players would find more cool? "doing it just tells the game not to report the stats" "doing it actually deletes the stats because the black box recorder actually is involved in storing/tracking the stats" It's a subtle difference, but one is more cool. |
Just so long as it's clear what happened to that round in the DB so I can work around it. It should, at the very least, report server, map, start time, end time, and then throw a flag that the blackbox was disabled/destroyed. |
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@MrStonedOne can we change the blackbox to something linked to the global datum, rather than storing it. Then the blackbox can be a reference, and have an admin switch or something. I always liked the idea of Centcom full of "admin machinery". |
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no because disabling something we are ostensibly using to make game balance decisions is a stupid idea. mso please, you won, slap crafting is still in the game, there's no need for this |
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I haven't won because people still think removing the blackbox as the tracker of feedback stats is a good thing. |
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Wow, look, petty! I want stat logging even if it's from stupid admin bullshit; at worst, maybe a toggle to mark a round as admin bullshit so you can filter that out if you want, but I don't want to lose stat info. |
…blackboxed Conflicts: code/modules/research/message_server.dm
with that as your opinion you aren't going to win |
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Why would we bother gathering stats and then not report them? Add some sort of IC use for the stats and then filter out lost rounds from that. Our stats should record all rounds no matter what, period. |
compromisethe PR stays as-is, making sure our back end tracking stays solid and we can properly balance, and all our stat tracking stuff isn't wasted because admins wanted to hide their stupid bullshit the blackbox becomes a tracker of generic stuff on station similar to what it does now, but it's used to compile a round-end report displayed to players at the end of the round, and can be accessed from in game via a button or something on the lobby screen showing past rounds if it's destroyed, specific data becomes unavailable and only the most basic information is available from the lobby and round-end report |
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As long as you always get stat info, OOC, I don't care what you do with the black box. |
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Same opinion as @ChangelingRain here |
…blackboxed Conflicts: code/orphaned_procs/statistics.dm
instead it's just a datum and shouldn't have multiples or fuck up