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Overhaul skeletons to be more in line with the remainder of zombie types #23463

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kevingranade opened this issue Apr 12, 2018 · 6 comments
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Game: Balance Balancing of (existing) in-game features. Monsters Monsters both friendly and unfriendly. <Suggestion / Discussion> Talk it out before implementing

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@kevingranade
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Expected behaviour

Zombie types resemble each other.

Actual behaviour

Skeletons are basically fantasy skeletons with a scifi-flavored paint-job.

Steps to reproduce the behaviour

Look at the mon_skeleton definition.

Skeletons have several qualities:
Bony, HARDTOSHOOT, slashing-based attacks.
Let's keep those, but adjust the description and properties to bring them in line with how we understand the blob to work.

Description

Instead of having no or minimal flesh, have the bones move to an exoskeleton.
In particular, the ribcage fuses into a carapace, organs move into the ribcage, and limb bones enlarge to protect muscles. Meanwhile muscles become smaller (no free lunch), so they get slower overall.

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Armor goes up, speed goes down, slashing attacks stay the same (hands are replaced with bone spikes?), and HARDTOSHOOT is redefined as "makes creature count as one size smaller for the purpose of shooting" instead of a flat 50% miss chance.

This keeps most of the existing properties of the skeleton, makes them fit in the game world better, and opens a path to making a exoskeleton-based evolution path. i.e somewhat bony just gives talons and some armor, skeleton has a full carapace, then the size and thickness increase until you have a Skeletal Juggernaut that's 8' tall with 3" thick bone plates covering it.

@kevingranade kevingranade added Game: Balance Balancing of (existing) in-game features. <Suggestion / Discussion> Talk it out before implementing Monsters Monsters both friendly and unfriendly. labels Apr 12, 2018
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Mecares commented Apr 12, 2018

I always imagined them as something like these:
https://magiccards.info/tp/de/5.html

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ymber commented Apr 12, 2018

Sounds good. Skeletons with plate armor would be a good reason to choose bashing damage early game and slowing them down makes them more interesting than the status quo of running away until you find a shotgun.

Why would it keep HARDTOSHOOT with this redesign? Growing an exoskeleton wouldn't make it any smaller and it doesn't have gaps in it any more.

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Shoes01 commented Apr 12, 2018

I could be convinced the skeleton is hard to shoot because the bullets ricochet and do less damage. The hard to shoot would become "hard to pierce exoskeleton" instead of "hard to not miss".

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basically fantasy skeletons

I do believe there is a trope for this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisaimedRealism

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HARDTOSHOOT is justified by the overall body shape of the enemy becoming more streamlined, the limbs become spindly and the torso is all drawn up into the ribcage.

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FulcrumA commented Jun 10, 2018

Would be good to also change the name of the creature if it's not meant to be just a fantasy skeleton anymore. Also, bone spikes would be more of a stabbing than cutting weapon. Maybe hands turned into fossilized claws of sorts?

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