Unicable II (JESS) switches not working in dynamic mode

[Delitants]

Minisatip has some weird approach when communicating with Unicable II switches, which are configured in DYNAMIC mode. In fact, it does tune NOTHING over configured slot and freq, unless the same slot was used in other tuner prior to minisatip. So I have to tune the slot in Astra Cesbo or just external tuner box, and then it starts working in Minisatip. Putting or removing PIN makes no difference.
This is non-sence, once I reboot the switch, minisatip is unable to tune anything by it's own. ### Other software like TVH or Astra or external tuners have no such issues.

...-a 0:0:0 -j 0:13-1400,1:23-1750,2:5-1155,3:14-1435 -M *:5.0-5.0...
I have to literally "poke" every slot from this line in Astra Cesbo, like 23 freq 1750 etc. Only after that it tunes over minisatip. Otherwise only empty signal from the switch is displayed in Minisatip web-gui.

[Delitants]

After intensive tests, I can say for sure that JESS support is broken 100%, it just picks up the active UB slot after Astra Cesbo and continues receiving the transponder. Diseqc sequence is not being sent over sat>ip RTP or something.
In this case TVH is a sat>ip client, minisatip is a server.

[9000h]

provide a log and tell us the type of Unicable II switch you use

[Delitants]

provide a log and tell us the type of Unicable II switch you use

To do not post a huge unrelated log, I highlight only that part, which is repeating, simply like no signal.
Inverto IDLU-UWT110-CUO1O-32P and Terra SRQ540, same thing with both. The only acceptable solution here would be to set the slots, used with minisatip, to static mode and assign needed transponders, but this is so dull and requires switch restart every time I need to change something.

[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: set adapter 2 for sid 0 m:0 s:1
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: setting DVB parameters for adapter 2 - master_sid 0 sid 0 old f:0
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: deleting pids on adapter 2, sid -1, pids=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: copy_dvb_param start -> src=0, fe=0, freq=0, fec=9, sr=0, pol=0, ro=3, msys=0, mtype=6, plts=2, bw=8000000, inv=2, pids=NULL, apids=NULL, dpids=NULL x_pmt=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: copy_dvb_parameters -> src=1, fe=1, freq=12399000, fec=9 sr=27500000, pol=2, ro=3, msys=6, mtype=9, plts=2, bw=8000000, inv=2, pids=0, apids=326,406,3306, dpids=NULL x_pmt=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: deleting pids on adapter 2, sid 0, pids=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: adding pids to adapter 2, sid 0, pids=0
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: Dumping pids table for adapter 2, number of unknown pids: 0
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: pid 0, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: adding pids to adapter 2, sid 0, pids=326,406,3306
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: Dumping pids table for adapter 2, number of unknown pids: 0
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: pid 0, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: pid 326, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: pid 406, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: pid 3306, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.024 main]: set_socket_thread: thread 7fae5bfff700 for sockets 8
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: tuning to 12399000(1120000) pol: h (2) sr:27500000 fec: delsys:dvbs2 mod:8psk rolloff: pilot:, ts clear=450040, ts pol=450305
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Mutex init OK 0x561ee6e6bb00
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Mutex init OK 0x561ee72ce7a8
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: new filter 0 added for adapter 2, pid 0, flags 20, mask_len 0, master_filter 0
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Mutex init OK 0x561ee72cf818
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: new filter 1 added for adapter 2, pid 17, flags 20, mask_len 0, master_filter 1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Dumping pids table for adapter 2, number of unknown pids: 0
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 0, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter 0, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 326, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 406, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 3306, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: AD 2 [demux 2 0], setting filter on PID 0 for fd 14
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: AD 2 [demux 2 0], setting filter on PID 326 for fd 15
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: AD 2 [demux 2 0], setting filter on PID 406 for fd 16
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: AD 2 [demux 2 0], setting filter on PID 3306 for fd 17
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Reply (handle 7) [192.168.0.57:39484] content_len:0, sock 7
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Read RTSP (sock 7, handle 7) [192.168.0.57:39484] sid 0, len: 96
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: detect_dvb_parameters (S)-> addpids=1,16,17
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: detect_dvb_parameters (E) -> src=-1, fe=-1, freq=-1, fec=-1, sr=-1, pol=-1, ro=-1, msys=-1, mtype=-1, plts=-1, bw=-1, inv=-1, pids=NULL - apids=1,16,17 - dpids=NULL x_pmt=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Setup stream sid 0 parameters, sock_id 7, handle 7
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: copy_dvb_param start -> src=1, fe=1, freq=12399000, fec=9, sr=27500000, pol=2, ro=3, msys=6, mtype=9, plts=2, bw=8000000, inv=2, pids=NULL, apids=NULL, dpids=NULL x_pmt=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: copy_dvb_parameters -> src=1, fe=1, freq=12399000, fec=9 sr=27500000, pol=2, ro=3, msys=6, mtype=9, plts=2, bw=8000000, inv=2, pids=NULL, apids=1,16,17, dpids=NULL x_pmt=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Play for stream sid 0, type 2, rsock 8, adapter 2, sock_id 7, rsock_id 9, handle 7
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: setting DVB parameters for adapter 2 - master_sid 0 sid 0 old f:12399000
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: copy_dvb_param start -> src=1, fe=1, freq=12399000, fec=9, sr=27500000, pol=2, ro=3, msys=6, mtype=9, plts=2, bw=8000000, inv=2, pids=0, apids=1,16,17, dpids=NULL x_pmt=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: copy_dvb_parameters -> src=1, fe=1, freq=12399000, fec=9 sr=27500000, pol=2, ro=3, msys=6, mtype=9, plts=2, bw=8000000, inv=2, pids=NULL, apids=1,16,17, dpids=NULL x_pmt=NULL
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: adding pids to adapter 2, sid 0, pids=1,16,17
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: Dumping pids table for adapter 2, number of unknown pids: 0
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 0, fd 14, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 1, pmt -1, filter 0, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 326, fd 15, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 1, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 406, fd 16, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 1, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 3306, fd 17, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 1, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 1, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 16, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: pid 17, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.419 main]: not tuning for sid 0 (do_tune=0, master_sid=0)
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: Dumping pids table for adapter 2, number of unknown pids: 0
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: pid 0, fd 14, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 1, pmt -1, filter 0, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: pid 326, fd 15, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 1, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: pid 406, fd 16, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 1, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: pid 3306, fd 17, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 1, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: pid 1, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: pid 16, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter -1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: pid 17, fd 0, packets 0, d/c errs 0/0, flags 2, pmt -1, filter 1, sock -1, sids: 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: AD 2 [demux 2 0], setting filter on PID 1 for fd 18
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: AD 2 [demux 2 0], setting filter on PID 16 for fd 19
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: AD 2 [demux 2 0], setting filter on PID 17 for fd 20
[24/04 05:39:07.420 main]: Reply (handle 7) [192.168.0.57:39484] content_len:0, sock 7
[24/04 05:39:08.227 signal]: get_signal_new took 133 ms for adapter 2 handle 11 (status: 0, ber: 0, strength:202, snr: 0, force scan 0)
[24/04 05:39:08.321 AD2]: no data sent for more than 1s sid: 0 for 192.168.0.57:45264
[24/04 05:39:08.321 AD2]: Start streaming for stream sid 0, len 12 to handle 8 => 192.168.0.57:45264
[24/04 05:39:09.422 AD2]: no data sent for more than 1s sid: 0 for 192.168.0.57:45264
Message repeated 6 times
[24/04 05:39:17.088 main]: Read RTSP (sock 7, handle 7) [192.168.0.57:39484] sid 0, len: 84
[24/04 05:39:17.088 main]: closing stream sid 0
[24/04 05:39:17.088 main]: Closing RTP sock 9 handle 8
[24/04 05:39:17.088 main]: stream.c:333 get_sid returns NULL for s_id = 0

[9000h]

ok IDLU-UWT110-CUO1O-32P I do have the same
do you have wideband LNB's ?

what is programmed in the switch, it can do different modes

-j 0:13-1400,1:23-1750,2:5-1155,3:14-1435 and -a is not needed
your settings look totally wrong to me as the slot/freq/pin you use are not listet for both switches you have

there is also a issue with the power save mode for the Inverto switch in early models/firmware( the fixed is v0.25)

[Delitants]

Dude, I said that EVERY SINGLE tuner (either software on the PC or external like Dreambox) are TUNING FINE! Minisatip DOES NOT. Do you see a logic in here?

your settings look totally wrong to me as the slot/freq/pin you use are not listet for both switches you have

They are not wrong, they are custom! This is why there is programmer exists, so you can customize it. But it's all doesn't matter, because read first sentence again. My inverto just arrived from the factory with hella fresh firmware, not even saying that completely unrelated brand Terra SRQ-540 is not being tuned by Minisatip the same way.

do you have wideband LNB's ?

Inverto with WB, Terra is in regular quattro mode with regulars LNBs, so? Same thing. I had to assign static modes to slots, which are configured for Minisatip, because it drives me nuts.

[MusterGit]

@Neolo
This is not the first time that your tone is pretty harsh. You should be grateful that people are willing to help you.

[Delitants]

@Neolo
This is not the first time that your tone is pretty harsh. You should be grateful that people are willing to help you.

Well, sorry, people who don't bother to read the post entirely and just replying something completely nonsense is not just not helpful, but also making me look like a fool, this is annoying. If you don't know what is the issue about, ask more or don't reply at all if not sure. Thanks.

This is not a topic-invitation to learn Unicable stuff, I'm not giving classes here, expecting to see experienced users and developers, who actually able to test it.

[9000h]

so it should be (can not say if you channel for 1750 is right), but only slot 5 was set right so far as inverto start counting with slot 1 but you have to start with slot 0 in the minisatip config
so it should look like
-j 0:12-1400,1:23-1750,2:5-1155,3:13-1435 and -a is not needed

[Delitants]

so it should be (can not say if you channel for 1750 is right), but only slot 5 was set right so far as inverto start counting with slot 1 but you have to start with slot 0 in the minisatip config
so it should look like
-j 0:12-1400,1:23-1750,2:5-1155,3:13-1435 and -a is not needed

I'm aware of that and I have tried that already, thanks. Frequency slot has to be tuned by another tuner first, before minisatip can read it, or slot has to be static, no other solution, minisatip is obviously broken in this matter.
-a is not related here, with or without it.

[Delitants]

@9000h Why don't you try to make your switch Unicable 2 only (get rid of 1 version setup), set all pins on 0, all slots DYNAMIC and go ahead tune something over minisatip without prior use of any other tuning software. You'll be surprised.

[9000h]

my setup works for minisatip, VDR and Panasonic TV's with the same switch and correct config

if you believe there is a issue with your switches then you have to ask the vendor
nobody did report such issue here and also not for satip-axe over the last 5 years

[Delitants]

with the same switch and correct config

We are done with you, thanks. You are simply not 1) capable to read what I say, and 2) you seem know nothing about unicable, you got it out of the box and plugged in, not even understanding how it was pre-configured by manufacturer. Well, read the header of the topic maybe, cuz you are offtop.

nobody did report such issue here and also not for satip-axe over the last 5 years

https://standards.globalspec.com/std/9892820/EN%2050607
It was defined in 2015! Certainly nobody even thought of using it solo with minisatip, which even hard to find out about. Duh

[9000h]

@Neolo
please do not post pictures without appropriate credit and link to the license

[Delitants]

@Neolo
please do not post pictures without appropriate credit and link to the license

Report me. In that case, you had no license from Inverto to screenshot their program and upload here. Smarty. Flooding with useless off-topic.

[catalinii]

@Neolo please be respectful towards people that are donating their time to help. If the advice does not work maybe someone else has anotger idea that can help.
Ultimately, this is the nature of free software, best effort.

[Delitants]

@Neolo please be respectful towards people that are donating their time to help. If the advice does not work maybe someone else has anotger idea that can help.
Ultimately, this is the nature of free software, best effort.

I’ve donated 5 days of my time of testing, and apparently there is a valuable result, which can add 1/4 to your wiki already. How about to get some respect for that?

[catalinii]

I think I was respectful towards your time and contribution, but my point was for all of us to be respectful regardless if the advice worked or no.

[Delitants]

I set all related to minisatip jess slots in static mode, assigning needed transponders on the switch. This the only working solution and I advised it myself. Rough and stupid. Now every time I need to change the TP, I will climb up to the switch on the roof. Thanks.
Not solved.

[catalinii]

If you have a working enigma2 receiver and minisatip the best way would be to compare the commands:
With enigma2 set the log to debug, start enigma2 tune on a channel, capture the log.
With minisatip run:
./minisatip -f -l http,dvb
Capture the output and attach both.

Please make sure that when you tune to the same channel, both enigma2 and minisatip use the same unicable channel, freq, pin and so on

[9000h]

--diseqc-timing is probably a issue when cheap DVB cards like TBS and bad drivers are in use, they need probably 40ms more time

[Delitants]

--diseqc-timing is probably a issue when cheap DVB cards like TBS and bad drivers are in use, they need probably 40ms more time

Cheap? It's >$300 worth 6909 V2 model. Aint cheap.
Wiki says "default adapter values are: 15-54-15-15-15-0". So what's 40ms means here?

[Delitants]

Dynamic mode for JESS is not working in any versions of minisatip. Why nobody can test this? Super easy.

[Jalle19]

I have an IDLU-32UL40-UNBOO-OPP LNBs and everything works just fine with a very standard -j 0:0-1210,1:1-1420,2:2-1680,3:3-2040 configuration. Have you tried adding -Z *:0 to keep the switch "active"? At least in my case this is needed, otherwise the first tune will fail. I've always chalked it up to the LNB, but maybe it's an issue with Unicable switches too 🤷

[Delitants]

issue is with multiswitch, not LNB. -z does nothing, because switch is always active. Minisatip just doesn't lock to a dynamic UB unless I set it statically. While Tvheadend and Cesbo Astra have no issues to work with dynamic mode UBs.

[Jalle19]

In what way is a Unicable capable multi-switch different from a Unicable LNB from a tuning/locking perspective?

[Delitants]

In what way is a Unicable capable multi-switch different from a Unicable LNB from a tuning/locking perspective?

First of all this issue is about JESS mode with dynamic User Bands. Is this applicable to your LNB?

[Jalle19]

What do you mean by dynamic user bands? Isn't that the default?

[Delitants]

What do you mean by dynamic user bands? Isn't that the default?

On my switch dyn mode is default and as I stated, minisatip is not locking to desired transponder in this mode.
Dynamic means that UB can tune to requested TP by request, while static mode is when I assign a TP to an UB on the switch and client (minisatip in this case) is not able to override that TP. So it works only when I assign it statically, despite of what people are arguing with me above. Apparently nobody has the same hardware to test it.

Another workaround I have found, when I can't edit switch config every time, is to lock to desired tp using Astra Cesbo or Tvheadend and then start minisatip on top of the same UB which is in dyn mode. But this is bizarre.

[Jalle19]

Hmm, I use dynamic mode (static mode needs a programmer) and I have no issues 🤷 Maybe this is something specific to your switch somehow?

[Delitants]

Hmm, I use dynamic mode (static mode needs a programmer) and I have no issues 🤷 Maybe this is something specific to your switch somehow?

Yes, apparently. As I said, no other software has the issue but minisatip.

[Delitants]

undefined Huh?

[17/02 08:37:55.917 main]: Detected adapter 2 handle 7 DVB Card Name: TurboSight TBS 6590 DVB-S/S2/S2X/T/T2/C/C2/ISDB-T +
[17/02 08:37:55.917 main]: Detected delivery system for adapter 2: dvbs [5]
[17/02 08:37:55.917 main]: Detected delivery system for adapter 2: dvbs2 [6]
[17/02 08:37:55.917 main]: Detected delivery system for adapter 2: dss [4]
[17/02 08:37:55.917 main]: Mutex init OK 0x55ddd55cbf98
[17/02 08:37:55.917 main]: sockets_add: handle 8 (type 5) returning socket sock 7 [:0] read: 0x55ddd51e3acc
[17/02 08:37:55.917 main]: set_socket_thread: thread 7f6527ab1700 for sockets 7
[17/02 08:37:55.917 AD2]: Starting select_and_execute on thread ID 7f6527ab1700, thread_name AD2
[17/02 08:37:59.069 main]: initializing CA, fd 9 type 2 flags 0x3, after 3152 ms
[17/02 08:37:59.069 main]: slotid: 0
[17/02 08:37:59.069 main]: tcid: 1
[17/02 08:37:59.069 main]: done opening adapter 2 delivery systems: dvbs dvbs2 dss undefined

[Jalle19]

Can you open a separate ticket for that?

[Delitants]

Can you open a separate ticket for that?

Why is it suppose to be separate ticket? I believe it's related to the issue why minisatip isn't tuning my jess switch. Could be tuner involved.

[Jalle19]

It's not related to that, the code simply prints four delivery systems and most adapters don't support that many. I get done opening adapter 3 delivery systems: dvbc dvbt undefined undefined for example.

[Jalle19]

Closing this for now. Dynamic mode must be working, otherwise there would be tons of people commenting here. Not sure why this seems to only affect you but it could be related to your particulsr switch 🤷

[Delitants]

Closing this for now. Dynamic mode must be working, otherwise there would be tons of people commenting here. Not sure why this seems to only affect you but it could be related to your particulsr switch 🤷

How can you close it if neither you or anyone here tested mentioned switches Inverto IDLU-UWT110-CUO1O-32P and Terra SRQ540 to prove it otherwise? Can't you just slap close it like that.

[Jalle19]

Because the title implies it's not working at all when it very much is. Maybe if the issue was limited to Unicable switches, although I don't know how those differ from LNBs.

[Jalle19]

It seems @9000h also said he has the same switch and it works for him?

[Delitants]

Because the title implies it's not working at all when it very much is. Maybe if the issue was limited to Unicable switches, although I don't know how those differ from LNBs.

Name of the issue can be edited, as it's about JESS switches, and issue confirmed with two different brand of such switches. Test with a converter should not be a valid reason to just close the issue.

[Delitants]

It seems @9000h also said he has the same switch and it works for him?

I don't see any evidence it's working for him, he did not provide his minisatip config for his switch and his screenshot looks factory default, not clear if he tuned Unicable 1 protocol only or how he tested it or if he tested it at all.
I have performed tests using same switch with Astra Cesbo, which tunes it fine, then restarted switch and tuned over minisatip - it doesn't work, then restarted switch again and tuned via Astra - it works. How much more evidences you need that this is minisatip issue? If I don't restart switch after Astra and tuning minisatip - it works, because switch already got locked to a transponder by Astra.

[Jalle19]

It would be nice if someone could confirm that this happens