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Floats recovery draft papers #3
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Hello, Thank you for this very interesting contribution. For practical tools, I have in mind an application, preferably on a phone to use the phone's GPS. Because for me, some of the difficulties include the speed at which the new position is entered into the boat's GPS (including time for the transmission of the float position from the float to the operator on the boat) and the risk of error between the different position formats (unfortunately a very common error). Ideally, this application should be able to do :
Best Edouard |
Le 01/07/2020 à 13:35, dortenzio a écrit :
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Hi, thanks for all the information provided. I was not awared of this since I joined the office on July 2020 but this is actually great news. Accidentaly or not, I took part in the Ocean Hackathon 2020 proposing to find new approaches for the Argo float recoveries. Please find attached the PowerPoint if you are interested. Documents provided by N.Poffa & M.Amice and NAOS are very completed though. I join this issue. |
Thanks for sharing Alberto ! |
Unfortunatelly no outcomes @coriolisdeploiement Perhaps at some point we could organize a group for people interested in this task. |
Hi Alberto, |
Hi all, I just started the Good Practices document as we agreed. All the info included is not definitive. I'll keep writing but, since this is a collaborative document, feel free to add any paragraph/image/information/suggestion. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Muk8sluN2cx2uRddoVmFrrjac8N3rwSG5OBjMBumPTI/edit# All the best, |
I guess most of you have read the famous Environmental Issues and the Argo Array document. For the 'good practices doc', perhaps it will be a good idea to carefully read it and learn from it. We need figures and numbers to support potential arguments. Argo_Environmental_Impact.2020.05.10.pdf Alberto. |
Hi guys, I think crossing data of oceanographic cruises, pleasure vessels, fishing vessels and sailing races VS the position of floats that were close to their end of life in 2020 or 2019, would give us a rough idea of the viability of the recoveries in the open ocean. Same procedure for marginal seas and EEZ areas. Do you have a professional Marine Traffic account? Alberto. |
Hi Alberto,
I have started adding stuff in the gdoc. I am trying a chapter on the Med
case study but maybe that should go as an annex instead, will see..
Marine Traffic no we don't have, even at Fleet management level in Ifremer
they don't.. I am not sure however that would be so helpful to make a study
on historical data as they provide more an operational service. Have you
tried the free trial (7 days) to evaluate it ?
It would be surely useful on the other hand for operational use, I have
asked OceanOPS to plug in an AIS tool in their system but it is out of the
question (too expensive) for them so far..
We are working on a small web interface for recoveries at the moment,more
news soon I hope ! It woud have been great to have AIS data on it but if we
first can manage to have the Ifremer vessel realtime data, it is a first
step.
Great work you did anyway, thanks for starting the doc, I am hoping to get
more time to work on it in the weeks to come.
Noé
Le ven. 21 mai 2021 à 10:44, Alberto-GS ***@***.***> a écrit :
… Hi all,
I just started the Good Practices document as we agreed. All the info
included is not definitive. I'll keep writing but, since this is a
collaborative document, feel free to add any
paragraph/image/information/suggestion.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Muk8sluN2cx2uRddoVmFrrjac8N3rwSG5OBjMBumPTI/edit#
All the best,
Alberto.
Hi guys,
Regarding this Best Practices draft document, I think including
calculations and figures is necessary. In order to demonstrate recoveries
are affordable in the ocean, it could be great to make a small study.
I think crossing data of oceanographic cruises, pleasure vessels, fishing
vessels and sailing races VS the position of floats that were close to
their end of life in 2020 or 2019, would give us a rough idea of the
viability of the recoveries in the open ocean. Same procedure for marginal
seas and EEZ areas. Do you have a professional Marine Traffic account?
Alberto.
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Hi all, |
Noé, thanks for your feedback. Regarding your question about if making a study on historical data is worthy, I just thought it was a good idea to gather arguments if we are going to request funds. I mean, having solid information on data to prove recovery of Argo floats is worthy. By crossing vessels (fishing boats, yachts, pleasure boats, sailboats, racing sailboats and of course, oceanographic vessels) trajectory data and Argo location data, we can get a certain number of interactions. I'll take care of this if you guys see it as a good idea. If not, I will focus my efforts on continuing to write the draft document. Through making some calculations we can demonstrate:
This request for AIS data is for this study in the open ocean; the Mediterranean Sea continues to be our main stage to develop the pilot project as we agreed in the meeting. For now, as we have discussed before, including AIS may not be necessary, although I fully agree with you that it is suitable for fully operational use. I just checked your suggestion https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/online-services/plans/comparison-list and maybe the 7-days free of the Global version is enough to get the vessel's positions. Anyway, I'll make a request, just to have a reference. Good luck with that web interface, it sounds great! If you can pass any screenshots, it would be perfect. |
Hi Edouard,
Exactly, the Mediterranean Sea continues to be our main stage to develop the pilot project as we agreed in the meeting. This study in the open ocean is just to fill section 3.1 and it does not mean that we deviate from the main plan: Do a pilot project in the Mediterranean Sea.
Thanks! |
Thanks, Romain! |
Attached papers on flots recovery studies
Recovering Argo Floats - N.Poffa - M.Amice.docx
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