Mi 5a TV (Android TV 11) unable to open files with PPSSPP #16865
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Yeah, a lot of smart TVs don't implement the proper file browsing controls needed to support scoped storage. It's quite bizarre how that got through Google's Android certification (if it did). |
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If i use old version will it work? Any work around?
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Yeah, a lot of smart TVs don't implement the proper file browsing controls
needed to support scoped storage. It's quite bizarre how that got through
Google's Android certification (if it did).
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PPSSPP 1.11 and earlier don't declare support for scoped storage, so Android 11 will let them do things without the dialogs and stuff. Theoretically we could create special scoped-storage-free builds of the newer versions of PPSSPP too, but it would be quite a hassle.. |
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So it will take time? Right?
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PPSSPP 1.11 and earlier don't declare support for scoped storage, so
Android 11 will let them do things without the dialogs and stuff.
Theoretically we could create special scoped-storage-free builds of the
newer versions of PPSSPP too, but it would be quite a hassle..
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Stick to ppsspp v1.11 as a workaround. |
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1.11 will work?
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@hrydgard SAF is not supported on Android TV by design (on purpose, not a bug). Therefore not only file picker is missing, but file.uri, required by most emulators, is not supported. The workaround would be to have a fallback to manually enter the uri as it was prior to v.1.11. For example I am currently using PPSSPP on CWGTV (Chromecast with Google TV) which is Android 12 and I am using v.1.10.3 successfully. All I do is enter the path to the SD card manually and done! Similar workaround is used for Retroarch. So it shouldn't be too much work for you to support this either by graceful fallback on these systems, or if you ask me even better to have 2 buttons - 1) Browse 2)Enter uri. Regards and keep up the excellent work. |
Weird then that it works on NVIDIA Shield, which is Android TV.
We could certainly add a field to manually enter the path. But how would most users find out the correct path to enter? |
Android TV != Google TV. Most Android TV boxes out there are almost identical in specs using low powered Amlogic SOC with 2GB and very little storage. Nvidia Shield was not in this category from the get go. It's even the only one I know of that is running a x64bit version of Android TV, compared to all others which run x32bit due to the low resources.
As mentioned above storage for these tv boxes is usually extremely low and PSP images require space. So whoever wants to emulate on such device has already equipped with external storage where roms would be. On the Chromecast the path is visible via a file manager like X-Plore (probably many more) and is like so: "/storage/F490-1404/roms" where F490-1404 is a random number for each USB storage, but persisted across restarts. |
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OK, that makes sense. I'm going to add a simple "Enter Path" button and only show it on Android TV, so at least power users can use it. |
See issue #16865 for why this is important on some crippled Android devices.
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I have added such a button now, please test. |
Oh wow, thanks for taking this at heart. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work. While it shows the changed path at the top left corner and I can navigate the folders of the external storage now, it doesn't recognize or look for PSP games and therefore it doesn't list them. I can see in settings that the Change Memory stick folder still point to the internal storage and not the path I've set via the new button. I also see that the app now created folder structure inside the PSP folder with my games i.e. another PSP folder with GAME/SAVEDATA/SYSTEM/TEXTURES/PPSSPP_STATE. I tried moving some of the games in the GAME folder, but it doesn't seem to recognize them either. Let me know if you need logs/videos anything to help you if the above is not enough and thanks again! |
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That sounds bizarre, if it lets you navigate and show folders, it should also show files. I guess some other restriction is there... I don't know. Can you take some screenshot or video just to confirm that I'm understanding things right? What popular devices are like this? Or rather, what's a good cheap one, currently being sold, that I can buy to replicate this situation? |
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The Walmart Onn is the cheapest $19 but is US only, for Europe that would be the HD version of the Chromecast with Google TV which is usually around 30 euro. Any Xiaomi Mi Box and Amazon Firestick device would also be cheap and has the same limitation. You can see the workaround I am using with v1.10.3 in this video https://youtu.be/Jy-HlXPEIsI?t=679 Here is a screenshot from v1.10.3 where I see my games and [here is a video](https://photos.app.goo.gl/mhzTCZVBHASx8bAU7 with last nights version where it doesn't pickup the games. |
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@hrydgard Did you have a chance to see the video and get an idea? Or you want to buy such device and test directly? |
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I'm getting the Chromecast shortly. |
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Hm, so I got the Chromecast HD. Haven't set it up yet, but noticed that is has no port for sd cards (not really unexpected) and the USB needs to be plugged in all the time to give it power. How are you guys connecting any external storage to it? |
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Using USB C hub with power delivery, so the power goes to it and it powers the Chromecast. Then I have 2 USB ssds, one for internal and one for external storage. You would need at least 8w power adapter in order to compensate for the hub and ssds. Just for the sake of you testing this however, you should be fine copying a single small game into the Chromecast internal storage . |
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That sounds a bit complicated, I wonder how many people bother... Can you link to such a USB-C hub on Amazon or something, and what are USB SSDs, regular USB drives? |
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Nothing complicated, here is my setup - https://ibb.co/vcrH7Sd And yes, USB ssds attached to USB C hub. It needs to be power delivery hub. You can use thumb drive/flashdrive instead of ssds for your test purpose. Or if you just don't want to bother, let me know how I can help with logs or other means. You keep new builds coming and I'll keep testing until we have it working. I don't think it needs much (if at all) work, as you already had this working in 1.10.3 version |
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Ah I didn't realize how common those power hubs have become for laptops. Ordered a cheapo one, and I'll just plug some USB storage sticks into it, let's see how it goes. |
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Yes, very common due to the limited number of ports on modern laptops which only strive to be as thin as possible. I was never able to get an SD card or MicroSD card working with the Chromecast, although the same work when I plug the hub to a laptop. So using usb ssd or usb stick is your best option. |
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@hrydgard Anything I can test yet? :) Just joking, really appreciate you trying to work this one out! |
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No updates yet, sorry. I did recently receive the USB hub thingy I ordered. |
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I would try this shortly, but I want to remind you that "a way to access folders by entering a path on Chromecast" exists and works on PPSSPP v1.10.3. I've provided video and screenshots here: #16865 (comment). I am not aware of the underlying changes you did since v.1.11 forward, but surely something that existed and worked could be re-implemented? |
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Yes, but since v1.10.3, we have had to update which version of Android we "target", which imposes these new restrictions on us. This is probably why it doesn't work anymore - the restriction is imposed by the OS since we have declared that we target a newer version of Android. And, we can't just "target" an old version - that blocks us from uploading on the play store, since there's now a minimum allowed OS version to target. The suggested workaround indeed has that weakness, which is why I will try to write some code that detects the situation and tells the user what to do. I don't see another way, due to Google's massive f**k-up - no other word for it. |
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Yes, it's Google to blame on this one, no question about it. But if it is the target version that breaks entering the path, how does it work for Retroarch? Would it be easy for you to create a test build v1.10.3 with the new "target" so we can test whether this indeed breaks it? |
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Is Recent games being cleared up after some time if a game hasn't been launched in a month for example? Also would upgrading to newer PPSSPP versions retain the Recent list or this has to be done everytime? |
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New version with Android tv fixed?
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Yes, it's Google to blame on this one, no question about it. But if it is
the target version that breaks entering the path, how does it work for
Retroarch? Would it be easy for you to create a test build v1.10.3 with the
new "target" so we can test whether this indeed breaks it?
I did try your workaround and it works. It is even simpler than going
through Load... button every time. The File Manager+ has file association
and if you navigate to your PSP games and click on them, it directly opens
them in PPSSPP.
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@stzokev You can make your own builds of PPSSPP - in android/build.gradle, just set targetSdkVersion to, well, I guess 28 or something instead of the current obligatory 33. That said, this might lead to other problems. I'm not going to maintain multiple separate builds with different target version, i'm not looking to add more work to my already big burden of maintenance and testing... Regarding how it works with RetroArch, I'm not sure - is that a play-store-installed version? If not, it might be that they use a lower target. |
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I was not suggesting that you maintain separate builds, just wanted us to test if your guess that it is the target sdk version at fault is correct. Regarding Retroarch - I am not using their play store version because it is pretty old, but I can confirm the workaround worked on that version as well. Can you answer on the above: "Is Recent games being cleared up after some time if a game hasn't been launched in a month for example? Also would upgrading to newer PPSSPP versions retain the Recent list or this has to be done everytime?" |
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I don't believe the recent list will be invalidated by an upgrade, and it certainly won't be cleared after a month. Sorry I missed answering that. Can you explain to me how you find the path to the sd card for the retroarch workaround? I don't see it in any of the file managers. |
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You manually add rgui_browser_directory = "/storage/F490-1404/roms" to the retroarch.cfg which is available in the RetroArch folder on Internal storage. Once this is done, when you go to Import Content -> Scan Directory, the path you entered would be available for scan and you can navigate and scan your games. |
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But how do you get the path F490-1404? Hm, that's weird, I don't know what would be clearing the list. Maybe the file permissions don't last very long :( |
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F490-1404 is the autogenerated name for the usb dongle connected to the hub i.e. the external storage. It would be a different name in your case. You can see it with a program like X-plore File Manager |
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Is this possible to implement: once the user presses Load.. and navigates to a game, PPSSPP to "discover" if there are other games in the same folder location and offer/suggest to the user: Multiple games found in the same location, would you like to load them? It seems like a bug to me that a game is not entered into the Games list, but only to Recent list. For example I used the same workaround (it's Select a File instead of Load...) for M64Plus FZ Emulator and it adds the game to the Game Library directly. This would be the correct behavior IMHO. Offering to scan the folder from where a game is loaded would be a very nice touch. |
Chromecast restart also does NOT persist the recent list. In M64Plus FZ Emulator however, both games and recent are persisted. |
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If you want behavior related to folders, there's an ini setting to make the folder view the default. You can pin folders there and the experience can be very similar to recent if you keep all your games in a folder. You can use subfolders to categorize them. There's also a button from that tab to open a folder. Basically to do everything you requested for the Recent tab to do. Why change the recent tab into the Games tab when the Games tab already exists? Personally I find folder "scanning" to be a very weird misfeature of many emulators. It's a behavior I've only seen in certain emulators and music players. To me it seems far more natural, and I would imagine for most people who haven't used some other messy-to-use emulator, to simply open a folder. The normal way - you know, how every other app works. I guess that's less exciting than making you go into some corner of settings to open a different folder, and calling opening a folder "scanning" it. Sounds like it's doing neato emulation stuff. Plus we wouldn't get to reinvent categorization and file organization if we just used the operating system's built in way. So boring. As for settings getting lost, what's likely happening is this:
Possibly we should just not remove items from the recent list and instead show an error or permissions prompt if you try to access them. Which is a bit unfortunate. Keeping to the Games tab instead on such devices is probably much simpler, although I think the current folder and pinned folders are also forgotten if they are not accessible on startup. -[Unknown] |
Thanks for your feedback, unfortunately I do not think I understand this part specifically. And let me say that all of my comments are just ideas and thoughts on what I think could be a better user experience. Of course you guys as devs have your view on how the app should look and behave and that is not a bad thing at all. Quite on the contrary I like how the app looks and behaves in normal environment when things work, it is unfortunately Google have chosen to impose those limitations for these kind of devices. When I initially hijacked this thread I did a bit of reading and I really thought that just having a way to manually set the path to the Games folder would be enough. Since then I did a bit of more reading and discussing with other helpful people and I think I was too optimistic. As I understand things now (might still be wrong), SAF is not just a way to file/folder pick. It's the thing that grants you the permissions to read those files in the first place. That is why I believe navigating to the correct path does not list the games in the folder like it did with legacy permissions in 1.10.3, because it wouldn't give the app permission to access them. Retroarch works because it still uses the legacy permissions since their app hasn't been updated since 2021 or so and their nightly builds are probably not modified to comply with the new listing requirements. As for M64Plus FZ Emulator, adding games to Library when picked 1 by 1 is a nice workaround, but even that would have its limitation for period of time and as I understand Google only allows for 128 files an app can work with before they start revoking them |
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ola estou com um problema na mi stick 4k ela está dando erro na hora de decidir escolher manualmente o armazenamento e não tá reconhecendo os jogos no pendrive. isso porque tô usando a versão nativa do app baixado da playstore. |
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usando a versão 1.10.3 não tem mas o erro porém ainda não lê os jogos na mi stick ele reconhece o pendrive mas o jogo não aparece, o jogo está no formato .iso TRANSLATION: using version 1.10.3 there is no error but it still doesn't read the games on the mi stick it recognizes the pendrive but the game doesn't appear, the game is in .iso format |
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For my experience this problem is related on version of Android, Others emu as Dolphin show same problem. I try also this little trick Kira |
That is partially working for me on Chromecast with Google TV (HD). The directories are displayed in the USB flash drive which is great, but the games are not listed. |
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@davidhedlund Not sure what is different on your end, except the fact that I use the 4k version of Chromecast. Anyway I no longer use the old version because the newer versions offer better performance. Yes, you cannot see the games in PPSSPP, but you can navigate to your roms via file manager in the USB flash drive and when you select a rom it would open directly in PPSSPP (there is Intent class registered). So yeah, not the best experience, but does it work - yes |
I'm glad that it works for you, but the roms (the .iso files) are not listed for me. |
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@davidhedlund I think you misunderstood my explanation. They are not listed in the last version of PPSSPP for me either. The workaround I use is start the games from file manager directly, I am using X-plore. Try it you would see it works. |
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Just fyi ( Original reporter in http://c.tieba.baidu.com/p/8880500610 10 th /floor ) |
Ah, that works. I can play PSP games from PPSSPP now! Thank you very much. |
What happens?
Ppsspp is not recognising games in mi tv 5a Android 11 kindly help i tried with pen drive too and internal storage
What should happen?
What are you using?
A smart tv brand mi 5a tv 2022 version
What hardware / device and operating system?
Mali g31 Mp2 Android 11
What graphics card (GPU) or mobile phone model?
It's an smart tv
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