Groups can be member of another group

[mrdudz]

Very often a group was a member ("sub group") of another group. So not only sceners should be able to be member of a group, but also groups by itself

[idolpx]

So it would be kind of a sub-group?

[idolpx]

Would all of the members of the sub-group be considered members of the parent group?

[mrdudz]

Would all of the members of the sub-group be considered members of the parent group?

no. the group would be member of the other group, not the individual members

[idolpx]

Ok... so Group Members can be handles or other groups. That should be easy enough.

[idolpx]

Does anyone have an examples of this? What capacity would the other group serve in the host group?
Trying to determine if this should be listed as a partner/affiliate group or something other than "member".
A member usually means an individual. Not a group of people.

[mrdudz]

No idea what you are on there - there were cases when groups had other groups as members. Popular example is "The Light Circle" https://csdb.dk/group/?id=758

[idolpx]

What was their function to the host group "TLC"?

[mrdudz]

What are you after really? How does it matter. It can be anything.

But yeah, there need to be more "function" tags as well. which those are are a completely different question :)

[idolpx]

If their functions are different than a member then maybe they should be labelled differently. How often did this happen?
Maybe just referencing them in the trivia is good enough. Adding complexity for a few rare cases is a waste of resources.

[mrdudz]

If their functions are different than a member then maybe they should be labelled differently.

yes sure. but how their functions can be labelled is an entire different question, as said. groups were members of groups, thats all that matters here.

How often did this happen? Maybe just referencing them in the trivia is good enough. Adding complexity for a few rare cases is a waste of resources.

It did happen often enough that we came to the conclusion it needs to be represented in the db. Referencing anything in trivia that happened more than a few times is terrible and is exactly the reason for why things must be improved over csdb.

[Compyx]

Subgroups are indeed a common occurrence, the most common "type" of subgroup is probably an audio department: for example the Sidchip Scratchers of The Force or Prosonix of Panoramic Designs. Subgroups can also have releases under their name but not automatically under the parent group's name.

And subgroups can become independent: Focus started out as a (Dutch) subgroup of Science 451 but, due to communication difficulties with the Swedish parent group, went indepedent a few months later. If you check the page about S541 (https://csdb.dk/group/?id=307), you'll notice in the trivia S451 itself started out as a subgroup, and you'll also see a comment about not being able to add Focus as a subgroup to S451 :)

Another thing related to this is co-op's, groups cooperating for multiple productions/cracks or even many years, also currently stuffed in "trivia".

[mrdudz]

oh yeah coops! those should get a seperate ticket. another interesting case :)

[idolpx]

Thanks for the extra info and for clarifying.

In the GroupMember type I added a GroupID field to handle this reference.