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Dictionary Suggestions #400

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morinted opened this issue Mar 6, 2016 · 133 comments
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Dictionary Suggestions #400

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morinted commented Mar 6, 2016

Report suggestions for changing the default dictionary in this thread

  • Removal of bad entries
    • Mistakes
    • Overly-specific briefs (job briefs)
  • Addition of useful entries
    • New vocabulary
    • Supporting alternative pronunciations

Just reply or edit posts to give suggestions, we'll remove them as they get fixed.

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I've removed a few thousand misstrokes I think from the main dictionary for myself where the commit history mostly shows why I felt the stroke was off: https://github.com/dimonster/plover-dictionaries/commits/master/dictionaries/dict.json

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Added:
```
"KPHR-": "a couple",
"KPHR-F": "a couple of",
"KH*EF": "chef",
"PHRU/TOBG/RAES/-S": "plutocracies",
"PHRU/TOE/KRAT/EUBG": "plutocratic",
"PHRU/TOE/KRAT": "plutocrat",
"PHRU/TOPB/PHEU": "plutonomy",
"OEL/TKPWARBGS": "oligarchs",
"OEL/TKPWARBG/EUBG": "oligarchic",
"OEL/TKPWARBG/EUBG/*AL": "oligarchical",
"TPHAOEFT": "naivety",
"TPHAOEF/TEU": "naivety",
"KWR*URS": "yourself",
"KWR*URS/-S": "yourselves",
"KWR*URSZ": "yourselves",
"HEUPLS": "himself",
"THEPLS": "themselves",
"SPHEUFD": "dismissed",
"TKPHEUFD": "dismissed",
"STKPHEUFD": "dismissed",
"TKUP": "duplicate",
"APB/STET/EUBG": "kinesthetic",
"APB/STHES/EUBG": "kinesthetic",
"APBS/THE/TEUBG": "kinesthetic",
"APBS/THET/EUBG": "kinesthetic",
"APB/ES/THET/EUBG": "kinesthetic",
"PWR-BT": "[",
```

Changed:
```
"PAL/TO": "{palato^}", → "PAL/TO": "{palato^}",
"KHEF": "chef", → "KHEF": "achieve",
"SKWR*UFT": "just", → "SKWR*UFT": "adjust",
"OPB/KO": "onco", → "AUPB/KO": "onco",
"OPB/KOE": "onco", → "AUPB/KOE": "onco",
"AOEFT": "East", → "AOEFT": "east",
"PWR*BGS": "{[}", → "PWR*BGS": "{^[^}",
"PWR-BG": "{[}", → "PWR-BG": "{^[^}",
"PWR-BGS": "{]}", → "PWR-BGS": "{^]^}",
```

Removed:
```
"TKPWHR-FPLTD": "glkjblkwoieuorui",
"HRAEU/OUT": "lay out",
"HRAEU/O*UT/SAOEUD": "lay outside",
"APB/ALG": "an additional",
```
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…onary.

Added:
```
"SAOEM/-LS": "seamless",
"TKORBL": "adorable",
"A/TKOERBL": "adorable",
"TKOERBL": "adorable",
"TWUPBD": "on the one hand",
```

Changed:
```
"WEFT": "West", → "WEFT": "west",
"TP-BG": "{,}", → "TP-BG": "{!}",
```
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Added:
```
"HOPBLS": "honestly",
"HOPBS": "honest",
"HOPBTS": "honesty",
"RAOERL": "really",
"TAOEFRP": "teacher",
"KPAL": "capital",
"SPRAED": "spread",
"KAUPB/TKPWRAD/HRAEUGS/-S": "congratulations",
"KAUPB/TKPWRAPBLG/HRAEUGS/-S": "congratulations",
"KOPB/TKPWRAD/HRAEUGS/-S": "congratulations",
"KOPB/TKPWRAPBLG/HRAEUGS/-S": "congratulations",
"TKPWRAD/HRAEUGS/-S": "congratulations",
"TKPWRAPBLG/HRAEUGS/-S": "congratulations",
"KAUPB/TKPWRAD/HRAEUGS": "congratulations",
"KAUPB/TKPWRAPBLG/HRAEUGS": "congratulations",
"KOPB/TKPWRAD/HRAEUGS": "congratulations",
"KOPB/TKPWRAPBLG/HRAEUGS": "congratulations",
"TKPWRAD/HRAEUGS": "congratulations",
"TKPWRAPBLG/HRAEUGS": "congratulations",
"SEUFP/WAEUGS": "situation",
"AEUFRD": "afraid",
"SEUFRL": "silver",
"SPWAOEUD": "beside",
```

Changed:
```
"MUFLS": "muscles", → "MUFLS": "muffled",
```

Removed:
```
"AT/TPHAT": "alternate",
```
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joezeng commented Jun 28, 2020

I think the TAEUPBD entry is specifically for people who write KAUN/TAEUPBD for "contained", but I agree that it's weird to have as its own entry here rather than a two-stroke entry for the whole word.

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"culd" is not a word (at least not in modern English - apparently it's an obsolete form of "could"), so I propose removing "KULD": "culd" to make way for "culled".

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HAPBD/SHAEUBGS should give "handshakes", not "hand".

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mulka commented Aug 27, 2020

I propose either removing EUPBD/KWRAB or changing it to be a misstroke for Indian instead of India.

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morinted commented Sep 8, 2020

"Roentgen" came out instead of "rent again" haha

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antistic commented Sep 15, 2020

  • A/KUFPL currently does "acustom". Based on: A/KUS/TOPL: accustom, KUFPL: custom
+ A/KUFPL": "accustom",
  • carceral doesn't exist in main.json. Based on: SREUS/RAL: visceral, SREUS/ER/RAL: visceral
+ "KARS/ER/RAL": "carceral",
+ "KARS/RAL": "carceral",
  • Versions where R comes after the AU (as in the spelling). Based on: STRAUNT: restaurant, TRAUNT: restaurant
+ "STAURNT": "restaurant",
+ "TAURNT": "restaurant",
  • Seems to do the same thing, but {^}{^us} doesn't appear in the lookup menu
- "SKWRUS": "{^}{^us}",
+ "SKWRUS": "{^us}",
  • I don't think this should be capitalised by default
- "SRUFR": "Have you ever",
+ "SRUFR": "have you ever",
- "HRES/EPB" : "{lessen^}",
  • F seems like a misstroke for *. Based on H*ELT: health, and OEU being used for -y e.g. HROEUBG: lucky, TOEUPB: tiny
- "HOEUFLT": "healthy",
+ "HO*EULT": "healthy",
  • Alternative entry. Based on: SKED/AOUL: schedule, SHED/KWRAOUL: schedule, AOUL: {^ule}
+ "SKED/AOUL": "schedule",
  • Remove the extra paragraph stroke
- "SKWRAURBGS/PAOE/KWRAPB": "piano",
+ "PAOE/KWRAPB": "piano",
  • Pronunciation alternative
    • scone. SKOEPB: scone exists.
    • kibosh. KEUB/ORB: kibosh exists.
    • mocha. PHOE/KA: mocha, PHOEBG/KA: mocha, PHOEBG/KWRA: mocha exist.
+ "SKOPB": "scone",
+ "KAOEU/PWORB": "kibosh"
+ "PHO/KA": " mocha"
+ "PHOBG/KA": " mocha"
+ "PHOBG/KWRA": " mocha"
  • Possibly a mistake: "merchandis" doesn't seem to be a word
- "PHEFRPB/TKEUZ": "merchandis"
+ "PHEFRPB/TKEUZ": "merchandise"
  • Misstroke that collides with "template to"
- "TPHRAEUT/TO": "tomato",

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aerickt commented Oct 18, 2020

"PHEUPBS/TP-PL": "minutes" is troublesome if you want to put a period after the word "minutes".

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tckmn commented Oct 22, 2020

  • "KRAEUZ/S*EU/*": "craziness" is impossible to stroke (the star by itself always undoes) and doesn't make sense anyway, so should probably be removed
  • "HOEPL/SEUBG/TP-PL": "homesick." should be removed, as it breaks capitalization (and HOEPL/SEUBG doesn't even map to homesick)
  • "TKU/PWAOEU": "Dubai" is questionable, as it collides with "did you buy"
  • "PHET/TPOER": "no" lol wtf?

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shelvacu commented Feb 16, 2021

  • Potentially remove "PWHRESZ": "bless" to allow it to map to blesses based on PWHRLES + Z
  • Add "AO*UFR": "user"
  • Add "HAO/RAEU": "hooray"
  • Add "HR*EUFT": "list"
  • Add "P*EPBS": "pence"
  • Add "RAOEFPB": "reason"
  • Add "TAEURBL": "terrible"

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JorWat25 commented Apr 3, 2021

  • Remove "EP/SPAEUD/KWRAS/TK-RB": "1", which is an error Mirabai accidentally included.
  • Change "TP*EUPB": "{^fin}" (which I think is only useful in some fish names) to "TP*EUPB": "Finn" (as in someone from Finland)
  • Add "KROE/TPHA/SRAOEURS": "coronavirus" (other combinations of chords for 'corona' and 'virus' are possible)
  • Add "KOEFD": "COVID" and "KOEFD/1-9": "COVID-19"
  • Replace "SPERPL/TO/KRAOEUT/KWRO/SKWREPB/SEUS/TP-PL/STPH-RB": "spermatocytogenesis." with "SPERPL/TO/KRAOEUT/KWRO/SKWREPB/SEUS": "spermatocytogenesis"
  • Replace "PHRAT/PUS/TP-PL": "platypus" with "PHRAT/PUS": "platypus" (along with some other entries with random TP-PL's in them, such as 'calvaria')
  • Following on from 'homesick.' in a previous comment, add "AEUR/S*EUBG/*PBS": "airsickness", "HOEPL/S*EUBG": "homesick", "HOEPL/S*EUBG/-PBS": "homesickness", "HROF/SEUBG": "lovesick" and "SAE/S*EUBG": "seasick" so that both SEUBG and S*EUBG are used consistently for '-sick'
  • Add "TKRURPL": "drummer", so it's consistent with 'summer' and 'bummer'
  • Replace "SEURPL": "syrup" with "SEURPL": "simmer" (like "SWEURPL": "swimmer" and "TKPWHREURPL": "glimmer")
  • Related, add "PREURPL": "primer", as /ˈprɪmər/ is a common pronunciation
  • Again related, add "TKEURPL": "dimmer", and replace "TKAOERPL": "dimmer" with "TKAOERPL": "deemer"
  • Replace "E*/PHRAOUR/PWUS/KWRAOU/TPHUPL": "e pluribus unum", "E*/PHRAOUR/PWUS/KWRAOUPB": "e pluribus unum", and "E*/PHRAOUR/PWUS/KWRAOUPB/UPL": "e pluribus unum", with "*E/PHRAOUR/PWUS/KWRAOU/TPHUPL": "e pluribus unum", "*E/PHRAOUR/PWUS/KWRAOUPB": "e pluribus unum", and "*E/PHRAOUR/PWUS/KWRAOUPB/UPL": "e pluribus unum",
  • Related, replace "SEPB/*AT": "sensate" and "WEUBG/*APB": "Wiccan" with "SEPB/A*T": "sensate" and "WEUBG/A*PB": "Wiccan"
  • Replace "AUP/WARBD": "upward" with "UP/WARD": "upward". It's the only entry for 'upward', and the B doesn't make phonetic sense, Also, 'upwards' and 'upwardly' are both defined using UP instead of AUP.
  • Replace "KEU/OELD": "manky" with "PHAPB/KEU": "manky".
  • Add "STKPAOERPBS": "disappearance", following the pattern of "STKPAOER": "disappear" and "PAOERPBS": "appearance".

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"PWAR/TKPWAPB/-G": "bagaaining" looks like a typo for "bargaining".

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"A/PHEPB/PHE": "anemone",
"A/PHEPB/PHEU": "anemone",

should be corrected to

"A/TPHEPL/TPHE": "anemone",
"A/TPHEPL/TPHEU": "anemone",

It's "anemone", not "amenome".

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crides commented May 9, 2021

Most of these I have no idea what they are supposed to do, so I just removed them for myself.

Not sure what are these. Bad conversions?

"KHAOEUL/SKWRO/THRABGS/TP-PL": "chylothorax. pgh",
"O*EUPB/PHER/-S": "ionomer pghs",
"TEU/A/RA": "tiara {pgh}",
"TKPW-PB/TPAO*EUR/PR*EPBT": "gunfire ) {pgh}",

Probably bad conversions:

"P-RBGS/H-RBGS/TK-RBGS": "P{l+}h{l-}.D",
"SPWHRAERB": "{^\\^}",
"STKPWHR-FPLT/SKW-TS": "{!'}",
"TP-PL/KH-FG": "{.} {`}{-|}",

Seems to be a bad conversion; should probably be {^.^}org:

"P-P/O*RG": "{^.^ org}",

No idea what this is:

"TPHRO*L": "{n}",

Probably bad conversions; should all have a ^ at the start?

"KWRAUR/KWREPBT": "{-orient}",
"OBGS/A*PB": "{oxan}",
"OPBLG/EUBG": "{ologic}",
"PH*EUT/RA/SEUPB": "{mithracin}",
"TKOBGS/*EUPB": "{doxin}",

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paulfioravanti commented Jul 18, 2021

This is a list of words for consideration which I could not find in Plover's dictionary. I added them to my own dictionaries (with outlines that felt right to me) while working through Platinum Steno's theory lessons.

"A*EURT": "airth",
"A/TA/PWOEU": "attaboy",
"A/TA/PWOEUS": "attaboys",
"ELD/ER/PWER/REU": "elderberry",
"EUPB/SRAOEU/TAOES": "invitees",
"EUPB/SRAOEU/TAOEZ": "invitees",
"HAEUR/STAO*EUL": "hairstyle",
"HART/HART": "hart",
"HOEF": "hove",
"HOEPL/S*EUBG": "homesick",
"HOLT": "holt",
"HRA*EZ": "laze",
"HRA*RT": "lather",
"HRUF/PW*EURD": "lovebird",
"HRUF/PW*EURDZ": "lovebirds",
"K*UFBG": "cusk",
"KAO*E": "quay",
"KHEBG/PO*EUPBT": "checkpoint",
"KORPB/H*UFBG": "cornhusk",
"KORPB/STA*FRPB": "cornstarch",
"KRA*EUP": "crape",
"KWRAOEUP": "yipe",
"KWROUL": "yowl",
"PEUT/PW*UL": "pitbull",
"PHA*LD": "madly",
"PO*EUPBD": "poind",
"PRAEUFRL": "prayerful",
"PW*UBG/AOEU": "buckeye",
"PWHROE/TO*FRPB": "blowtorch",
"PWRAURL": "brawler",
"PWUFBG": "busk",
"RAFR": "raver",
"RAOUB": "rube",
"RE/HREPBT": "relent",
"RE/HREPBTS": "relents",
"REUFRBT": "riverboat",
"RO*RT": "rort",
"RUFBG": "rusk",
"S*UPBD": "sunned",
"SAOEULT": "sightly",
"SEULD": "sild",
"SHAOERPBS": "sheerness",
"SK*EURL": "skirl",
"SKAOL/PHARPL": "schoolmarm",
"SKARBD": "scabbard",
"SKRAO*EU": "scry",
"SKRAOEBG": "screak",
"SKRAOEUF": "scrive",
"SKRAOFP": "scrooch",
"SKROD": "scrod",
"SKWAU/TP*EURB": "squawfish",
"SKWEUL/HRA": "squilla",
"SO*BG": "sobbing",
"SPA*RT": "sparth",
"SPAOEFPLS": "speechless",
"SPAOEPB/TKAOUSZ/TAOEBG/UPL": "subpoena duces tecum",
"SPHEU/PRERBS": "semiprecious",
"SPHOLT": "smolt",
"SPR*EUT": "sprit",
"SR*ELD": "veld",
"SRAFRB": "varve",
"STAL/WO*RT": "stalworth",
"STPHAO*D": "snood",
"STPHAOBG": "snook",
"STRAG/HRERS": "stragglers",
"STRAOERPL": "streamer",
"STRORL": "stroller",
"SWA*RT": "swarth",
"TAOL/PWO*BGS": "toolbox",
"TKAOR/PHAT": "doormat",
"TKEUS/T*EPBGS": "distention",
"TKO*/TPH*UTS": "donuts",
"TKOE/TPH*UTS": "doughnuts",
"TKPWA*RT": "garth",
"TKREBG": "dreck",
"TKRUB": "drub",
"TPA*PBD": "fanned",
"TPHAOERPBS": "nearness",
"TPHRAOD/HRAO*EUT": "floodlight",
"TPHREURB/TKPWEUBT": "flibbertigibbet",
"TPREU/KA/SAOE": "fricassee",
"TPREUBG/SAOE": "fricassee",
"TPROLG/-D": "frolicked"

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rabbitgrowth commented Oct 7, 2021

"PRE/OR": "pre- or" should probably be removed. It doesn't make sense and makes it impossible to write "preordain" by chaining together {pre^} and "ordain" (PRE/OR/TKAEUPB).

(Edit 8 months later: As slampisko says below, "pre- or" does make some sense. And "ordain" should probably be written as AUR/TKAEUPB anyway.)

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"PRE/OR": "pre- or" should probably be removed. It doesn't make sense and makes it impossible to write "preordain" by chaining together {pre^} and "ordain" (PRE/OR/TKAEUPB).

It makes some sense (e.g. Is that $5.39 pre- or post-tax?), but it doesn't come up that often and can be substituted by PR*E/S-P/OR. I agree with the removal.

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Vermoot commented Jan 11, 2022

I've just found APBT/TKOET/THAPB for "antidote". Probably a mistake?

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HAT/*ER currently outputs "hater", but I'm pretty sure "hatter is a word in English. And if you want to write "hater" you can use HAEUT/*ER or even HAEURT. The shortest stroke for "hatter" would be HAT/TK-LS/T*/*ER, four strokes. I think HAT/*ER should be mapped to "hatter" so people don't accidentally call someone who makes hats a hater.

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"PHR*UP":"{PLOVER:LOOKUP}"

Very useful for beginners. Some of the other suggested commands might also be useful. (Alternatively, it could be good practice for learning how to add to the dictionary?)

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SKWRET/PWRAEUPBS outputs Jetbrains, but the correct casing is JetBrains (https://www.jetbrains.com/company/)

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SKWR-ERPBDZ is used to write "genders", but phonetically spells "JERNDZ" (or "JENRDZ", if using inversion). I think the -R should be removed, since "JENDZ" sounds a lot closer and SKWR-EPBDZ is not used in an existing translation.

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aerickt commented Nov 26, 2022

SKWR-ERPBDZ is used to write "genders", but phonetically spells "JERNDZ" (or "JENRDZ", if using inversion). I think the -R should be removed, since "JENDZ" sounds a lot closer and SKWR-EPBDZ is not used in an existing translation.

Although inversions should technically only happen between adjacent sounds, you can find this "rule" broken from time to time. SKWRERPBDZ is actually trying to go for "JENDRZ". You can find the same thing happening in "tender", "ponder", "binder", etc. It's important note that briefs like these don't have to follow rules strictly; there's always a little leeway especially in main.json.

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SKWR-ERPBDZ is used to write "genders", but phonetically spells "JERNDZ" (or "JENRDZ", if using inversion). I think the -R should be removed, since "JENDZ" sounds a lot closer and SKWR-EPBDZ is not used in an existing translation.

Although inversions should technically only happen between adjacent sounds, you can find this "rule" broken from time to time. SKWRERPBDZ is actually trying to go for "JENDRZ". You can find the same thing happening in "tender", "ponder", "binder", etc. It's important note that briefs like these don't have to follow rules strictly; there's always a little leeway especially in main.json.

Not just technically, but invariably, inversions should only happen between adjacent sounds. At least, according to Learn Plover. If there's a well established convention for this not being the case, then fair enough. Perhaps the docs could be updated to mention these exceptions?

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aerickt commented Nov 27, 2022

Perhaps the docs could be updated to mention these exceptions?

You can try emailing Zack about this—he replies pretty quickly. But I would argue that since SKWRERPBDZ is a brief, I wouldn't expect a beginner to have to memorize an outline like this from the beginning. It's more crucial to just stick to phonetic write-outs (like SKWREPB/TKER in this case). And these are just exceptions, not rules (for example HRERPBD is "learned" instead of "lender"). Including these might be more confusing.

Not just technically, but invariably, inversions should only happen between adjacent sounds.

This only applies to phonetic write-outs (which Learn Plover! is primarily for). Briefs aren't restrained by theory rules and can be completely arbitrary sometimes.

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Ah right, I didn't realise they were briefs. Is there a way to tell what is a brief and what isn't?

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