Which service should Reactiflux move to?

[benigeri]

Update: Reactiflux is moving to Discord. (more info)

Wondering why we have to leave Slack? Read this.

I will try to periodically update this list to match what everybody is saying. If you would like to add a contender, please format like all of the others. That way I can easy append the list.

And thanks to @elwayman02 for a comprehensive comparison chart

The winner

Discord

Website: http://discordapp.com/

Pros

• Amazing product, has been great for chatting so far. Lots of people like it better than Slack.
• Instant invites make it so easy for people to join the conversation. Easier than any other service.
• Moderation tools will come in very handy. We're lucky we've had no spam, but that is eventually going to change. I'd rather have moderators than making our community invite only.
• Free and no limits.
• Voice chat is awesome.
• Easy to go from one server to the other,
• Team has been very open and supportive. Their app is built in React & Flux & React Native
• Hosted

Cons

• Some people might not be able to access it at work. (Please let me know if you can't access it so that we can try and assess the severity of this.)
• Search on the roadmap, but not yet built
• It could vanish (but they are backed by some of the best VCs in the world, and seem to have good product market fit)
• Having lots of channels get's noisy, and there isn't a way to shortlist channels. There is a very strong likelihood this well be addressed before the end of 2015.

Didn't make the cut

Gitter

Website: http://gitter.im/

I'm going to get on the phone with the this week. Hopefully they can alleviate some of our concerns.

Pros

• Proven scalability (Free Code Camp has > 50K users)
• No limits for users or search or archive
• Very OSS friendly company.
• Most of us already have GitHub accounts
• Hosted

Cons

• Lots of us have complaints about Gitter's apps being sub-par. Site + apps are not as good as Discord
• Since Gitter channels/rooms are based around Github organizations/repos, it's unclear whether a Reactiflux community should even exist. See #17
• I think more of us have Slack open by default than Gitter open by default
• No voice
• No moderation tools

RocketChat

RocketChat is an OSS Slack clone. Key differentiator is the fact that it is OSS.

Pros

• Seems like it's pretty full featured
• Has voice and video
• OSS / self hosted. Could be a benefit in the long run
• RocketChat can help us migrate slack account
• Lots of ways to sign in (social + username/password)

Cons

• Apps are not as polished as Discord or Gitter
• Self hosted, but the RocketChat guys offered to set it up for us
• Several users have encountered issues signing up and logging in
• Some of the mentioned features are still being developed (multiple orgs, slack migration)

Facebook @ Work

Website: https://www.facebook.com/help/work

This would be a very different communication model. Instead of channels (chat rooms), we would have a group for each topic. The conversation would happen around posts.

You can still chat with small groups or individuals, but we lose the notion of big, open public chat rooms.

Pros

• Facebook is obviously a solid, performant product
• Really good search, no limits
• We can have much better medium/long term discussions, for when chat is not sufficient

Cons

• This is an early idea and is not definitely possible. We don't have any confirmation from Facebook.
• We lose big chat rooms.

IRC

There's already a #reactjs on freenode.

Pros

• At least some React people already use IRC
• Free and no limits

Cons

• IRC clients are not great products
• If you quit your IRC client you will miss out on any mention and DM. So you need an irc proxy (which only power users really use), or you will need to keep the client connected at all times (impossible).
• Also there is no sync to mobile.

Zulip

Website: https://www.zulip.org/

Pros

• No limits

Cons

• Product is not as good at others
• We need to host it ourselves
• Not being super actively developed
• High switching cost, everybody needs to create new accounts

Mattermost

Website: http://www.mattermost.org

Pros

• No limits, no lock-in
• Looks well designed, product is promising

Cons

• Still not as polished as Gitter or Slack
• We need to host it ourselves
• High switching cost, everybody needs to create new accounts

[petehunt]

IRC? There's already a #reactjs on freenode

[petehunt]

IRC? There's already a #reactjs on freenode

[fubhy]

There is also ChatGrape. I know the founders and could talk to them about this. https://chatgrape.com/

[fubhy]

There is also ChatGrape. I know the founders and could talk to them about this. https://chatgrape.com/

[oren]

👍 for IRC on freenode

[oren]

👍 for IRC on freenode

[svenanders]

I think IRC is great option, but I desperately need a better IRC client for the Mac. Even mIRC back in the 90s was better than Colloquy is today.

[svenanders]

I think IRC is great option, but I desperately need a better IRC client for the Mac. Even mIRC back in the 90s was better than Colloquy is today.

[frederickfogerty]

Someone posted a quick poll in the slack room, maybe this should be moved to the first comment, or a new one made. http://strawpoll.me/5715176 Credit @RWOverdijk

[frederickfogerty]

Someone posted a quick poll in the slack room, maybe this should be moved to the first comment, or a new one made. http://strawpoll.me/5715176 Credit @RWOverdijk

[benigeri]

@frederickfogerty thanks for the link. Poll is a great idea, but I think it's important to discuss our options a little more before we ask people to vote.

[benigeri]

@frederickfogerty thanks for the link. Poll is a great idea, but I think it's important to discuss our options a little more before we ask people to vote.

[bimawa]

PLS add all channels on IRC mirror

[bimawa]

PLS add all channels on IRC mirror

[frederickfogerty]

@benigeri Agreed. I'll leave it there just to get initial opinions

[frederickfogerty]

@benigeri Agreed. I'll leave it there just to get initial opinions

[Daniel15]

There's always the possibility of using multiple services (eg. IRC for real-time chat and Facebook@Work or some forum system for long-form posts). Using software to its strengths would probably end up better than a "one size fits all" solution. Additionally, a very large number of open-source communities already use IRC, so the consistency would be good (rather than having IRC for most other communities and something special just for Reactiflux).

For real-time chat, my vote would be to use IRC on Freenode, along with a nice web UI such as KiwiIRC on reactiflux.com for people that don't want to use IRC through their own client. If KiwiIRC doesn't have all the features we like, we could always fork it. It seems to handle large rooms pretty well though.

I was going to add my previous comments from #reactiflux-dev in this Github issue, but Slack doesn't let me scroll back that far, and unfortunately I don't have the history saved in my IRC client (I've been using Slack via IRC this whole time). Classic Slack.

[Daniel15]

There's always the possibility of using multiple services (eg. IRC for real-time chat and Facebook@Work or some forum system for long-form posts). Using software to its strengths would probably end up better than a "one size fits all" solution. Additionally, a very large number of open-source communities already use IRC, so the consistency would be good (rather than having IRC for most other communities and something special just for Reactiflux).

For real-time chat, my vote would be to use IRC on Freenode, along with a nice web UI such as KiwiIRC on reactiflux.com for people that don't want to use IRC through their own client. If KiwiIRC doesn't have all the features we like, we could always fork it. It seems to handle large rooms pretty well though.

I was going to add my previous comments from #reactiflux-dev in this Github issue, but Slack doesn't let me scroll back that far, and unfortunately I don't have the history saved in my IRC client (I've been using Slack via IRC this whole time). Classic Slack.

[benigeri]

IMO all of the IRC clients, including KiwiIRC are a huge step back from Slack or even Gitter. Happy to be proven wrong if anybody knows of a really awesome IRC client.

[benigeri]

IMO all of the IRC clients, including KiwiIRC are a huge step back from Slack or even Gitter. Happy to be proven wrong if anybody knows of a really awesome IRC client.

[bimawa]

I use WeeChat for terminal its openSource and very high uptime.

[bimawa]

I use WeeChat for terminal its openSource and very high uptime.

[0rvar]

The problem is that if you quit your IRC client you will miss out on any mention and DM. So you need an irc proxy (which only power users really use), or you will need to keep the client connected at all times (impossible). Also there is no sync to mobile. IRC is not really an option in my opinion.

[0rvar]

The problem is that if you quit your IRC client you will miss out on any mention and DM. So you need an irc proxy (which only power users really use), or you will need to keep the client connected at all times (impossible). Also there is no sync to mobile. IRC is not really an option in my opinion.

[oren]

@awestroke $5 a month on digital ocean. apt-get install tmux weechat

[oren]

@awestroke $5 a month on digital ocean. apt-get install tmux weechat

[benigeri]

@oren it's never that simple

[benigeri]

@oren it's never that simple

[bimawa]

@oren +mosh

[bimawa]

@oren +mosh

[bimawa]

MB Admins can create irc bot for its features?

[bimawa]

MB Admins can create irc bot for its features?

[nikcorg]

+1 for IRC

[nikcorg]

+1 for IRC

[Daniel15]

IMO all of the IRC clients, including KiwiIRC are a huge step back from Slack or even Gitter.

That's subjective. Also, the benefit of using an open protocol rather than a proprietary system is that anyone can build on top of it. There's no lock-in. There's a large number of open source IRC clients, and there's also a large number of bots and libraries to write bots. We could automate things in pretty much any way we like. Logs could be collected by a log bot and stored in a database to give anyone searchable history of everything in the channel. Much much nicer than Slack's "history" (if you can even call it that).

IRC is a proven technology, there's a reason it's still popular today. As I mentioned earlier, lots of open source communities already use it, so using IRC would prevent a lot of people from having to use multiple different apps.

Also there is no sync to mobile

How many people post to Reactiflux from mobile? Do we know?

The problem is that if you quit your IRC client you will miss out on any mention and DM.

I'm using ZNC + znc-push + Pushover for this, I get all mentions instantly to my phone. Took a bit of setup but that's just once-off and now it just works and I don't really think about it.

[Daniel15]

IMO all of the IRC clients, including KiwiIRC are a huge step back from Slack or even Gitter.

That's subjective. Also, the benefit of using an open protocol rather than a proprietary system is that anyone can build on top of it. There's no lock-in. There's a large number of open source IRC clients, and there's also a large number of bots and libraries to write bots. We could automate things in pretty much any way we like. Logs could be collected by a log bot and stored in a database to give anyone searchable history of everything in the channel. Much much nicer than Slack's "history" (if you can even call it that).

IRC is a proven technology, there's a reason it's still popular today. As I mentioned earlier, lots of open source communities already use it, so using IRC would prevent a lot of people from having to use multiple different apps.

Also there is no sync to mobile

How many people post to Reactiflux from mobile? Do we know?

The problem is that if you quit your IRC client you will miss out on any mention and DM.

I'm using ZNC + znc-push + Pushover for this, I get all mentions instantly to my phone. Took a bit of setup but that's just once-off and now it just works and I don't really think about it.

[0rvar]

@Daniel15 You are a power user. If we require people to get their own software stack just to get basic chat functionality, then we exclude a large chunk of users.
I use slack from mobile all the time.

[0rvar]

@Daniel15 You are a power user. If we require people to get their own software stack just to get basic chat functionality, then we exclude a large chunk of users.
I use slack from mobile all the time.

[Daniel15]

If we require people to get their own software stack just to get basic chat functionality, then we exclude a large chunk of users.

For basic functionality, most web UIs are fine. New users just want to chat, and don't care about all the bells and whistles. Basic chat functionality doesn't require users to get their own software stack, it just requires them to visit a web page.

For power users, what's wrong with allowing them to do more advanced things? If I want to use ZNC, what's wrong with that?

[Daniel15]

If we require people to get their own software stack just to get basic chat functionality, then we exclude a large chunk of users.

For basic functionality, most web UIs are fine. New users just want to chat, and don't care about all the bells and whistles. Basic chat functionality doesn't require users to get their own software stack, it just requires them to visit a web page.

For power users, what's wrong with allowing them to do more advanced things? If I want to use ZNC, what's wrong with that?

[0rvar]

Offline history is a basic requirement for a modern chat

[0rvar]

Offline history is a basic requirement for a modern chat

[0rvar]

If there was a good web UI with persistence that could be embedded, I'd be all for it. But "just let all the noobs find some shitty web UI themselves" is not an option.

[0rvar]

If there was a good web UI with persistence that could be embedded, I'd be all for it. But "just let all the noobs find some shitty web UI themselves" is not an option.

[Kevnz]

IRC
Is it the prettiest? Nope. Is it the shiniest? Nope. Is it the trendiest? Nope. Would there be a limit to how many people can be invited? Nope. Can people access it from any device no matter the platform? Yep.
Honestly, there are some fairly nice irc web clients, and plenty of apps for people to use. Any none irc platform that you do not control is a risk with the size of this community.

[Kevnz]

IRC
Is it the prettiest? Nope. Is it the shiniest? Nope. Is it the trendiest? Nope. Would there be a limit to how many people can be invited? Nope. Can people access it from any device no matter the platform? Yep.
Honestly, there are some fairly nice irc web clients, and plenty of apps for people to use. Any none irc platform that you do not control is a risk with the size of this community.

[0rvar]

Honestly, there are some fairly nice irc web clients

Please provide some links. If we go with IRC, we need to have a rock solid path for clueless (as in, clueless wrt IRC) people to follow, not "use whatever"

[0rvar]

Honestly, there are some fairly nice irc web clients

Please provide some links. If we go with IRC, we need to have a rock solid path for clueless (as in, clueless wrt IRC) people to follow, not "use whatever"

[Daniel15]

But "just let all the noobs find some shitty web UI themselves" is not an option.

I was suggesting installing a web UI on reactiflux.com that noobs could use, not that noobs should find their own web UI :)

Any particular things you don't like about KiwiIRC? What if it was extended to provide persistent history?

Honestly, there are some fairly nice irc web clients

Please provide some links.

Textual is good on Mac OS. I used to use HydraIRC on Windows which was nice at the time, maybe there's something nicer now though. 10+ years ago I was using mIRC :)

[Daniel15]

But "just let all the noobs find some shitty web UI themselves" is not an option.

I was suggesting installing a web UI on reactiflux.com that noobs could use, not that noobs should find their own web UI :)

Any particular things you don't like about KiwiIRC? What if it was extended to provide persistent history?

Honestly, there are some fairly nice irc web clients

Please provide some links.

Textual is good on Mac OS. I used to use HydraIRC on Windows which was nice at the time, maybe there's something nicer now though. 10+ years ago I was using mIRC :)

[0rvar]

I vote for gitter. Then people who like IRC can still use that to connect, while everyone else can use the persistent web interface and/or mobile apps

[0rvar]

I vote for gitter. Then people who like IRC can still use that to connect, while everyone else can use the persistent web interface and/or mobile apps

[pleunv]

Discord looks suprisingly good... what's the catch?

[pleunv]

Discord looks suprisingly good... what's the catch?

[benigeri]

@pleunv we're not sure yet.

[benigeri]

@pleunv we're not sure yet.

[RWOverdijk]

I also wanted to throw this out there: https://irc.gitter.im/

Seeing how currently IRC and gitter seem to be the most liked platforms.. I think combining them is a realistic solution.

[RWOverdijk]

I also wanted to throw this out there: https://irc.gitter.im/

Seeing how currently IRC and gitter seem to be the most liked platforms.. I think combining them is a realistic solution.

[taion]

Discord's markdown doesn't support code, and I'd be willing to bet it's not going to scale well to thousands of users.

[taion]

Discord's markdown doesn't support code, and I'd be willing to bet it's not going to scale well to thousands of users.

[oren]

@pleunv it's not open source so you might get into similar situation as slack/gitter

[oren]

@pleunv it's not open source so you might get into similar situation as slack/gitter

[sgwilym]

@pleunv @oren It's also targeted at a completely different kind of customer: gamers. Seeing that this situation has arisen out of Reactiflux’s huge community mismatching Slack’s targeted audience of small teams, it seems particularly foolhardy to move to a service so single-mindedly focused on one demographic.

[sgwilym]

@pleunv @oren It's also targeted at a completely different kind of customer: gamers. Seeing that this situation has arisen out of Reactiflux’s huge community mismatching Slack’s targeted audience of small teams, it seems particularly foolhardy to move to a service so single-mindedly focused on one demographic.

[orta]

Might be worth talking to the IRCCloud team too - https://www.irccloud.com

[orta]

Might be worth talking to the IRCCloud team too - https://www.irccloud.com

[jwheare]

Hi from IRCCloud, let me know if you have any questions about our service.

We have mobile apps for iOS and Android, keep you connected and synced across platforms and we're specifically setting out to solve IRC's bad usability track record.

Onboarding is simple, join the #reactjs channel here: https://www.irccloud.com/invite?channel=%23reactjs&hostname=irc.freenode.net&port=6697&ssl=1 (more onboarding links and badges available here)

You can use IRCCloud for free forever. We currently have an idle disconnect that kicks in if you don't have the app open for 2 hours, but you can pay $5/month to have this disabled. We don't limit backlog, and you can easily download your logs.

Oh and there's drag and drop file uploads too.

Details on pricing and future planned development is here: https://www.irccloud.com/pricing

I suspect pricing will be an issue, but we might be able to sort out a bulk deal. I've seen your very high user numbers but I suspect most aren't active. What's an estimate for your active community size?

[jwheare]

Hi from IRCCloud, let me know if you have any questions about our service.

We have mobile apps for iOS and Android, keep you connected and synced across platforms and we're specifically setting out to solve IRC's bad usability track record.

Onboarding is simple, join the #reactjs channel here: https://www.irccloud.com/invite?channel=%23reactjs&hostname=irc.freenode.net&port=6697&ssl=1 (more onboarding links and badges available here)

You can use IRCCloud for free forever. We currently have an idle disconnect that kicks in if you don't have the app open for 2 hours, but you can pay $5/month to have this disabled. We don't limit backlog, and you can easily download your logs.

Oh and there's drag and drop file uploads too.

Details on pricing and future planned development is here: https://www.irccloud.com/pricing

I suspect pricing will be an issue, but we might be able to sort out a bulk deal. I've seen your very high user numbers but I suspect most aren't active. What's an estimate for your active community size?

[arikfr]

@jwheare if I'm on the free plan, and away from my desktop for 2 hours, will I receive push notification for DMs/mentions on the mobile app? When getting back to the desktop client, will I see all history while I was disconnected?

[arikfr]

@jwheare if I'm on the free plan, and away from my desktop for 2 hours, will I receive push notification for DMs/mentions on the mobile app? When getting back to the desktop client, will I see all history while I was disconnected?

[jwheare]

@arikfr after 2 hours, you get disconnected from IRC completely so history stops being logged until you return and reconnect. You won't get notified because you won't be there.

That's the way the limits work currently, but they're not set in stone. We have been internally discussing the possibility of extending the 2 hour window (to e.g. 30 days) but I can't make any guarantees. We need to strike a balance between scaling and a sustainable business model.

[jwheare]

@arikfr after 2 hours, you get disconnected from IRC completely so history stops being logged until you return and reconnect. You won't get notified because you won't be there.

That's the way the limits work currently, but they're not set in stone. We have been internally discussing the possibility of extending the 2 hour window (to e.g. 30 days) but I can't make any guarantees. We need to strike a balance between scaling and a sustainable business model.

[jwheare]

Also, bear in mind the #reactjs channel is publicly logged here https://botbot.me/freenode/reactjs/

[jwheare]

Also, bear in mind the #reactjs channel is publicly logged here https://botbot.me/freenode/reactjs/

[arikfr]

@jwheare 30 days will be awesome. But I suspect that once you do that, most people will stop paying :)

[arikfr]

@jwheare 30 days will be awesome. But I suspect that once you do that, most people will stop paying :)

[jquense]

Uh I hate IRC. all clients are still terrible, none that I ve seen support, what I think are the basic requirements for dev chat, markdown and code formatting/snippets.

and to be honest the reason I switched to the reactiflux slack was that other IRC channels were aggressively monopolized by d-bags. the neckbearding tends to be much higher there to the detriment of newbies and folks without a long history of IRC involvement

[jquense]

Uh I hate IRC. all clients are still terrible, none that I ve seen support, what I think are the basic requirements for dev chat, markdown and code formatting/snippets.

and to be honest the reason I switched to the reactiflux slack was that other IRC channels were aggressively monopolized by d-bags. the neckbearding tends to be much higher there to the detriment of newbies and folks without a long history of IRC involvement

[ekmartin]

Discord looks really promising, should get in touch and ask if they intend it to work with this many users.

As for their payment model:

Discord is always completely free to use with no gotchas. This means you can make as many servers as you want with no slot limitations.

Wondering how we’ll make money? In the future there will be optional cosmetics like themes, sticker packs, and sound packs available for purchase. We’ll never charge for Discord’s core functionality.

[ekmartin]

Discord looks really promising, should get in touch and ask if they intend it to work with this many users.

As for their payment model:

Discord is always completely free to use with no gotchas. This means you can make as many servers as you want with no slot limitations.

Wondering how we’ll make money? In the future there will be optional cosmetics like themes, sticker packs, and sound packs available for purchase. We’ll never charge for Discord’s core functionality.

[taion]

Never mind.

[taion]

Never mind.

[barrystaes]

never mind i didnt see Zulip was already mentioned and discarded

For me making a new account is a non-issue, as i dont really like the way Slack did that per subsite anyway.

[barrystaes]

never mind i didnt see Zulip was already mentioned and discarded

For me making a new account is a non-issue, as i dont really like the way Slack did that per subsite anyway.

[vjeux]

Discord now supports codeblocks per our request :)

[vjeux]

Discord now supports codeblocks per our request :)

[maggo]

There's an @everyone in Discord but you can remove the right to mention everyone

Did you guys create an open Discord server yet?

[maggo]

There's an @everyone in Discord but you can remove the right to mention everyone

Did you guys create an open Discord server yet?

[vjeux]

@maggo: https://discord.gg/0ZcbPKXt5bYZVCkR (we disabled @everyone in the channel)

[vjeux]

@maggo: https://discord.gg/0ZcbPKXt5bYZVCkR (we disabled @everyone in the channel)

[ForbesLindesay]

From discord's change log:

Code Markdown: Because sharing code should be pretty. This one's for you reactiflux. console.log('Discord supports inline blocks too');

[ForbesLindesay]

From discord's change log:

Code Markdown: Because sharing code should be pretty. This one's for you reactiflux. console.log('Discord supports inline blocks too');

[ForbesLindesay]

When I post something with a code block in it, it seems to get duplicated, and all other text before the code block doesn't render, and sometimes there is some arbitrary extra text appended after the code block.

Also, editing code blocks doesn't work at all for me. The edits just don't get saved.

[ForbesLindesay]

When I post something with a code block in it, it seems to get duplicated, and all other text before the code block doesn't render, and sometimes there is some arbitrary extra text appended after the code block.

Also, editing code blocks doesn't work at all for me. The edits just don't get saved.

[elwayman02]

Probably better to log the bug with them rather than here, lol

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When I post something with a code block in it, it seems to get duplicated,
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there is some arbitrary extra text appended after the code block.

Also, editing code blocks doesn't work at all for me. The edits just don't
get saved.

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[elwayman02]

Probably better to log the bug with them rather than here, lol

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015, 7:40 AM Forbes Lindesay notifications@github.com
wrote:

When I post something with a code block in it, it seems to get duplicated,
and all other text before the code block doesn't render, and sometimes
there is some arbitrary extra text appended after the code block.

Also, editing code blocks doesn't work at all for me. The edits just don't
get saved.

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[geekgonecrazy]

If you guys have any questions about Rocket.Chat please let us know.

Also feel free to come check out our demo / community chat - https://demo.rocket.chat to get a good feel for things your self.

[geekgonecrazy]

If you guys have any questions about Rocket.Chat please let us know.

Also feel free to come check out our demo / community chat - https://demo.rocket.chat to get a good feel for things your self.

[benigeri]

Please, please, please avoid publicizing this announcement until Monday morning, PST.

The 62 of us have spent enough time brainstorming, debating, theoreticizating, and rationalizing over the past week. It’s time to make our decision.

Regardless of whether we settle for Gitter, Discord, or RocketChat, Reactiflux would survive and continue to thrive. React + friends are taking over the world, and there will always be a need for React-related guidance, banter, and discussion.

Reactiflux is moving to Discord.

When @vjeux brought up Discord, I was skeptical. How can a gaming chat service be a good replacement for a community like ours?

But I still clicked the invite link. I saw Discord’s gorgeous invite page. I answered, “What do you want other people to call you?” and clicked continue. A second later I, was in the Reactiflux Discord server, already talking to @vjeux, @brentvatne, @ide, @ekmartin, and @JedWatson.

That was incredible. Joining Reactiflux on Discord was so easy!

No permission granting, no password, no email confirmation is needed. Not only is Discord an extremely well polished, high performant, and cross-platform chat app, but it also lets new user join Reactiflux more easily than any other chat app.

Unlike the other services, Discord is already getting traction among the community. 400 of us have already joined, and most of us really, really like it.

Some other benefits to look forward to:

• Very competent team that has been very supportive of us joining
• It’s hosted. Less work for us.
• Really fast and polished cross platform apps, mobile ones too
• Great cross-server support. (A Discord server is like a team in Slack)
• Voice channels, where we can literally talk to each other
• Moderation tools, so we can fight spammers when they come

Nothing is ever perfect, though. Here’s what I’m mainly worried about:

• Difficult channel management (improvements are being developed)
• No search (WIP, it will come!)
• A couple of users have Discord firewall at work. This sucks, but it seems to be a very rare case. Currently affects 0.5% of our community (3/400). I hope that these users can get Discord’s domains whitelisted.

Please avoid publicizing this announcement until Monday morning, PST. We want to update the website, set up a channel directory, write up a blog post, and provide some tips before everybody starts talking about it.

In the meantime, come check out the new Reactiflux: https://discord.gg/0ZcbPKXt5bZiQhB5

I will write up a more detailed post on Monday morning, but I wanted to let all of you know right away. Thank you all for contributing to this conversation. I didn’t even know the majority of the contender services existed until some of you brought them up, including Discord and Rocket.Chat!

Oh, and let me know if you can with the transition, especially with the website.

[benigeri]

Please, please, please avoid publicizing this announcement until Monday morning, PST.

The 62 of us have spent enough time brainstorming, debating, theoreticizating, and rationalizing over the past week. It’s time to make our decision.

Regardless of whether we settle for Gitter, Discord, or RocketChat, Reactiflux would survive and continue to thrive. React + friends are taking over the world, and there will always be a need for React-related guidance, banter, and discussion.

Reactiflux is moving to Discord.

When @vjeux brought up Discord, I was skeptical. How can a gaming chat service be a good replacement for a community like ours?

But I still clicked the invite link. I saw Discord’s gorgeous invite page. I answered, “What do you want other people to call you?” and clicked continue. A second later I, was in the Reactiflux Discord server, already talking to @vjeux, @brentvatne, @ide, @ekmartin, and @JedWatson.

That was incredible. Joining Reactiflux on Discord was so easy!

No permission granting, no password, no email confirmation is needed. Not only is Discord an extremely well polished, high performant, and cross-platform chat app, but it also lets new user join Reactiflux more easily than any other chat app.

Unlike the other services, Discord is already getting traction among the community. 400 of us have already joined, and most of us really, really like it.

Some other benefits to look forward to:

• Very competent team that has been very supportive of us joining
• It’s hosted. Less work for us.
• Really fast and polished cross platform apps, mobile ones too
• Great cross-server support. (A Discord server is like a team in Slack)
• Voice channels, where we can literally talk to each other
• Moderation tools, so we can fight spammers when they come

Nothing is ever perfect, though. Here’s what I’m mainly worried about:

• Difficult channel management (improvements are being developed)
• No search (WIP, it will come!)
• A couple of users have Discord firewall at work. This sucks, but it seems to be a very rare case. Currently affects 0.5% of our community (3/400). I hope that these users can get Discord’s domains whitelisted.

Please avoid publicizing this announcement until Monday morning, PST. We want to update the website, set up a channel directory, write up a blog post, and provide some tips before everybody starts talking about it.

In the meantime, come check out the new Reactiflux: https://discord.gg/0ZcbPKXt5bZiQhB5

I will write up a more detailed post on Monday morning, but I wanted to let all of you know right away. Thank you all for contributing to this conversation. I didn’t even know the majority of the contender services existed until some of you brought them up, including Discord and Rocket.Chat!

Oh, and let me know if you can with the transition, especially with the website.

[Daniel15]

^ I created a more memorable short URL for that long Discord invite link: http://dl.vc/reactiflux (useful at least until reactiflux.com is updated) 👍

[Daniel15]

^ I created a more memorable short URL for that long Discord invite link: http://dl.vc/reactiflux (useful at least until reactiflux.com is updated) 👍

[vcarl]

I can help with the website, I already have Heroku permissions. I'll see if I can get something together Sunday.

[vcarl]

I can help with the website, I already have Heroku permissions. I'll see if I can get something together Sunday.

[jbhatab]

We can still use that mockup that scott made but change out the slack image with discord. It was pretty beautiful. We should just change the link to slackin to the discord app.

[jbhatab]

We can still use that mockup that scott made but change out the slack image with discord. It was pretty beautiful. We should just change the link to slackin to the discord app.

[vcarl]

Link to that @jbhatab?

[vcarl]

Link to that @jbhatab?

[brentvatne]

Updated the "Getting Help" section of the React Native docs to link to the new Discord invite link! https://github.com/facebook/react-native#getting-help

[brentvatne]

Updated the "Getting Help" section of the React Native docs to link to the new Discord invite link! https://github.com/facebook/react-native#getting-help

[jbhatab]

@vcarl I'll get a pic as soon as I can. Just gotta get it from Scott. It's a solid simple template.

[jbhatab]

@vcarl I'll get a pic as soon as I can. Just gotta get it from Scott. It's a solid simple template.

[benigeri]

@vcarl @jbhatab any serious discussion re: landing page should happen here: https://github.com/reactiflux/www/issues/1

For now, let's do something simple. Just a static html page with:

1. logo
2. link to discord
3. couple lines of text announcing and justifying the switch
4. Eventually a link to the currently non-existing blog post

[benigeri]

@vcarl @jbhatab any serious discussion re: landing page should happen here: https://github.com/reactiflux/www/issues/1

For now, let's do something simple. Just a static html page with:

1. logo
2. link to discord
3. couple lines of text announcing and justifying the switch
4. Eventually a link to the currently non-existing blog post

[elwayman02]

For those who care, I've been working on a weighted feature comparison that assigns an importance (weight) to each feature. I update my spreadsheet with a new tab that shows the weighted scores:

http://jhawk.co/team-chat-comparison-chart

For what it's worth, I came up with the weights based on my personal thoughts as to what's important for an OSS community chat; I did not think about what scores each platform would get when I assigned the weights. I only saw the totals afterward.

Additionally, you might note that Markdown, Code, and Syntax each have a weight of 0.5. This is because I felt that they are really part of the same feature which deserves an overall weight of 1.5 (making it more important than most), but for purposes of comparing platforms they were broken into 3 parts since each app supports it differently.

TLDR Top 5 Scores:

Discord 20.875
Slack   20.75
Gitter  20
ChatGrape   19.5
Rocket.Chat 19

[elwayman02]

For those who care, I've been working on a weighted feature comparison that assigns an importance (weight) to each feature. I update my spreadsheet with a new tab that shows the weighted scores:

http://jhawk.co/team-chat-comparison-chart

For what it's worth, I came up with the weights based on my personal thoughts as to what's important for an OSS community chat; I did not think about what scores each platform would get when I assigned the weights. I only saw the totals afterward.

Additionally, you might note that Markdown, Code, and Syntax each have a weight of 0.5. This is because I felt that they are really part of the same feature which deserves an overall weight of 1.5 (making it more important than most), but for purposes of comparing platforms they were broken into 3 parts since each app supports it differently.

TLDR Top 5 Scores:

Discord 20.875
Slack   20.75
Gitter  20
ChatGrape   19.5
Rocket.Chat 19

[Daniel15]

@elwayman02 - One major thing missing from your spreadsheet is data portability. Does the service allow data to be exported? This is pretty important if you ever want to migrate to another service in the future, without losing data.

[Daniel15]

@elwayman02 - One major thing missing from your spreadsheet is data portability. Does the service allow data to be exported? This is pretty important if you ever want to migrate to another service in the future, without losing data.

[elwayman02]

@Daniel15 that opens a whole new can of worms, though. What about data import? What good is being able to export data from a previous service if you can't import it into the new one? Should there even be an expectation of being able to do that? This is a much bigger conversation than I wanted to get into with my spreadsheet.

[elwayman02]

@Daniel15 that opens a whole new can of worms, though. What about data import? What good is being able to export data from a previous service if you can't import it into the new one? Should there even be an expectation of being able to do that? This is a much bigger conversation than I wanted to get into with my spreadsheet.

[vcarl]

We have decided, we're moving to Discord. We're putting up new information on reactiflux.com soon.

[vcarl]

We have decided, we're moving to Discord. We're putting up new information on reactiflux.com soon.

[elwayman02]

@vcarl I don't think anyone is disputing that (I'm all for Discord, personally)...I was just putting up the additional information as reference to those who might want to see it.

[elwayman02]

@vcarl I don't think anyone is disputing that (I'm all for Discord, personally)...I was just putting up the additional information as reference to those who might want to see it.

[Daniel15]

What good is being able to export data from a previous service if you can't import it into the new one?

Read-only archives, for one.

Should there even be an expectation of being able to do that?

Export? Absolutely, you should be in full control of your data, including the ability to download a copy of it. Import? Not quite as much of an expectation, but a mature system should support it.

[Daniel15]

What good is being able to export data from a previous service if you can't import it into the new one?

Read-only archives, for one.

Should there even be an expectation of being able to do that?

Export? Absolutely, you should be in full control of your data, including the ability to download a copy of it. Import? Not quite as much of an expectation, but a mature system should support it.

[namuol]

What's the rationale to choose Discord over Mattermost?

Seems like as a community of developers, Mattermost is a good long-term bet.

1. It was specifically created to be an alternative to Slack.
2. We can import our Slack users and archives.
3. Do we need a feature? We're all developers. We can actually contribute.

[namuol]

What's the rationale to choose Discord over Mattermost?

Seems like as a community of developers, Mattermost is a good long-term bet.

1. It was specifically created to be an alternative to Slack.
2. We can import our Slack users and archives.
3. Do we need a feature? We're all developers. We can actually contribute.

[benigeri]

@namuol some points about Mattermost

• it lacks a lot of the polish we found in Discord
• doesn't have mobile or desktop apps
• not as easy for new users to join channels
• we'd have to host it ourselves

And Discord had 400+ members before we even settled on it.

[benigeri]

@namuol some points about Mattermost

• it lacks a lot of the polish we found in Discord
• doesn't have mobile or desktop apps
• not as easy for new users to join channels
• we'd have to host it ourselves

And Discord had 400+ members before we even settled on it.

[MoOx]

Discord looks really nice. Good choice. Nice find :)

[MoOx]

Discord looks really nice. Good choice. Nice find :)

[fczuardi]

I've been using this great web-based IRC client: http://shout-irc.com/ as a proxy to keep my nickname always connected, it's free software (MIT License) and easy to setup / hack / customize on any box with nodejs.

[fczuardi]

I've been using this great web-based IRC client: http://shout-irc.com/ as a proxy to keep my nickname always connected, it's free software (MIT License) and easy to setup / hack / customize on any box with nodejs.

[Daniel15]

@fczuardi Have you tried KiwiIRC or qwebirc at all? I wonder how Shout compares to those. qwebirc is pretty old now, but FreeNode use it as their official web-based client so it's proven to be stable.

[Daniel15]

@fczuardi Have you tried KiwiIRC or qwebirc at all? I wonder how Shout compares to those. qwebirc is pretty old now, but FreeNode use it as their official web-based client so it's proven to be stable.

[fczuardi]

Shout is probably less stable than qwebirc and kiwiirc. I am using it mostly because I like javascript and the default theme.

[fczuardi]

Shout is probably less stable than qwebirc and kiwiirc. I am using it mostly because I like javascript and the default theme.

[benigeri]

It's official, Reactiflux has moved to Discord! Join us: http://join.reactiflux.com

Full blog post: https://facebook.github.io/react/blog/2015/10/19/reactiflux-is-moving-to-discord.html

[benigeri]

It's official, Reactiflux has moved to Discord! Join us: http://join.reactiflux.com

Full blog post: https://facebook.github.io/react/blog/2015/10/19/reactiflux-is-moving-to-discord.html

[benigeri]

Thanks again to everyone who spent time researching, googling, discussing, arguing, ranting, complaining, suggesting, and contributing. It took us a while, but I'm confident we picked the right platform.

Now we can focus on other things like our website, a searchable directory, migrating people over...

[benigeri]

Thanks again to everyone who spent time researching, googling, discussing, arguing, ranting, complaining, suggesting, and contributing. It took us a while, but I'm confident we picked the right platform.

Now we can focus on other things like our website, a searchable directory, migrating people over...

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