Why "SumatraPDF is running as admin and cannot open files from a non-admin process" error? #2316
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Will you please tell me how to do that? I have this problem only when trying to use Sumatra to open PDFs from a Web browser. I checked my Sumatra .exe file's Properties, but there's no "Run as Administrator" option to un-check there. (The shortcut I use to run Sumatra manually does have that option, but it's already un-checked.) Is this something that can be done in the Registry? Thanks! |
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https://www.voidtools.com/faq/#how_do_i_prevent_the_uac_prompt_when_running_everything |
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If I'm following you, you're using the example of trying to open PDFs from a file-search utility called "Everything" (not referring to running "every" process some way, right?). And the page you've pointed me to—if I'm reading that right!—says the problem can be solved by running Everything as a normal user, not an administrator. But I'm already running my browser as a normal user, not an admin. I log in as an admin, but the browser shortcut I use has the "Run as administrator" checkbox un-checked. My understanding is that, even when you're logged in as an admin, you must give programs specific permission to run in admin mode (but only admins can do that, right?). Or am I confused about that too...? |
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Oh, sorry, I thought I'd gotten back here about this. Too many distractions... Apparently a Windows Update set Microsoft Edge as my default PDF app. I tried setting it back to Sumatra, but it had no effect until I restarted Windows. I still have no idea what your suggestion meant, but I appreciate your time anyway. Cheers! |
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The funny thing is, when this error occurs in Sumatra, it shows a link that says "Learn more about this error", which points to this page. So why the vague reference to the "Everything" app, etc.? Also, while I do use an Administrator account in Windows 10, I don't have Sumatra's exe set to "Run as an administrator". So why does trying to open a subsequent document in it cause a problem? Am I suddenly less of an "administrator" than I was when I opened the first one? Somehow, Acrobat and Foxit have found a way around this limitation (or didn't have it in the first place). Sumatra's much lighter and simpler, so I'd rather use it—but I'm not sure it's worth the trouble if this can't be improved. If it's really a security precaution of some kind, couldn't there at least be an option to deactivate it? Thanks! |
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@Ander3232 |
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It doesn't happen just when I try to view PDFs from a browser... As I just explained, it also happens when I try to open a 2nd PDF via a shortcut on my own system. That's just goofy.
I don't see any way to do that, and I've never even heard of such an option.
Sorry, you've totally lost me (and I'm a technical writer!). Thanks for trying to help—but as I've explained, no other PDF reader I've ever used has been this difficult. It's too bad, because I like everything else about Sumatra (its speed, simple GUI, how it doesn't continually try to sell you something). But this glitch doesn't make sense to me. If it is indeed some sort of security concern, we should be able to turn it off by choice. Anyway, no more time to spend on this... It's back to Foxit, I guess 👋🏽 |
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I met this issue and the scenario is exactly what's mentioned by the author here. |
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wellerz > I met this issue and the scenario is exactly what's mentioned by the author here. Weird that no one mentions the simple workaround, which is to open a 2nd PDF file by finding it in "Everything" and double click... Okay, I didn't go back to Foxit. 😏 But I have no idea what you're talking about here—"Open a 2nd PDF file by finding it in 'Everything'" ? What's "Everything"? I'm afraid that makes no more sense to me than the other advice here, "Try to download a pdf, then in downloads folder right click and set the PDF properties to 'unblock'..." Is that a property in Linux, perhaps? It doesn't appear in PDF file properties in Windows. |
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It's an application that can do very fast search for files based on name, partial name, file type, and many other attributes. Highly recommended. Check it out: https://www.voidtools.com/faq/ |
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Okay, but what does that have to do with Sumatra? |
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It's explained at the top:
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kjk > It's explained at the top... Okay, I see it: kjk> "But how did SumatraPDF started in admin mode in the first place? One case is running Everything (a file search app) in admin mode and opening a file in SumatraPDF from Everything." In other words, if you launch Sumatra from a process you started as an admin, then you try to open a another PDF from a non-admin process, Sumatra says, "Hold on! It's one thing if you want to cavalierly open a PDF in an environment where it's allowed to do practically anything... But you're asking me to let you open another PDF the same way? On your own PC? What are you, crazy?" Adding to the confusion, I'm already an admin. My Windows account is an administrator account. Here, I'll show you:
Already being an Administrator, I never understood the need to set individual apps to "run as Administrator". (Wouldn't it make more sense to set them to not run as an Administrator?) Is it possible that all an Administrator account means is that you can authorize processes to run as what you already are? Gosh, wasn't life complicated enough? Anyway, if I'm following you, what you're doing is pointing out that Sumatra is more security-conscious than most PDF viewers. But I already knew that. If what I've read online is true, it doesn't run scripts (e.g.: https://forum.sumatrapdfreader.org/t/how-safe-is-sumatra-can-it-execute-any-kind-of-code-or-script/976). Indeed, I've looked through all its settings, and JavaScript isn't even mentioned—it's not an issue. Sumatra is simple, fast and safe. Of course, one could always click an embedded URL pointing to a shady site. But if people don't realize the possible consequences of clicking unfamiliar URLs, how will you stop them from doing that on webpages, or in email, or anywhere else that shady URLs can pop up these days? Will Sumatra monitor all that too? Will it be on hand to dissuade us from crossing busy streets on red lights, or from marrying that person we met in a bar last week? 😬💦 Okay, I've figured it out: All I have to do is set Sumatra itself to "run as Administrator". Now it doesn't balk if I want to view PDFs I find online. Which I'm doing voluntarily. To see them, on my own PC, using a safe, non-script-running PDF viewer. If someone had mentioned that earlier, I wouldn't have taken so much of your time. Sometimes it just takes a while to figure these things out—sort of like everything you do in Linux. 😆 Cheers, A. |
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for me seems solved reinstalling it as normal user,NOT 'Run as admin' |
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Can't you set a mutex or a registry entry? I use that myself to allow a new instance of a process to indirectly communicate with an existing instance of the same process. |
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unclear what you mean SumatraPDF works via Direct Dynamic Exchange DDE but Microsoft dont encourage tainting between 32bit and 64bit channels likewise a Lower UAC level cannot control a Higher UAC level Personally have no problems but then I stick to using same levels across the board (rarely need extra elevation except once or twice a week) |
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What I mean is that you can set a key in HKEY_CURRENT_USER which applications of all levels can access. It's not optimal, but better than an error message box. |
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Might using SumatraPDF Portable solve this problem? Edit: Portable |
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No, this behavior does not depend on portable vs. installed. |
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When you try to open e.g. a PDF file by double-clicking you might see an error message
SumatraPDF is running as admin and cannot open files from a non-admin process.What does it mean?
Unfortunately this is somewhat complicated and you need to understand several things about Windows and SumatraPDF and how they interact.
On Windows a process can run with elevated administrator privileges. This applies to SumatraPDF as well.
SumatraPDF implements a single process mode, When you try to open a file with
SumatraPDF.exe <path to a file>and SumatraPDF is already running, we don't start a new process but send path to a file to existing process via Windows mechanism called DDE.For security reasons Windows doesn't allow sending DDE messages from non-admin process to admin process.
When you double-click on a file in e.g. file explorer, what happens under the covers is that Windows simply calls
SumatraPDF.exe <path to a file>.So when you see this message, likely sequence of events was:
SumatraPDF.exe <path to a file>in non-admin mode. This non-admin SumatraPDF process needs to send a file path to existing SumatraPDF process via DDE but we can't due to security restrictions implemented by WindowsBut how did SumatraPDF started in admin mode in the first place?
One case is running Everything (a file search app) in admin mode and opening a file in SumatraPDF from Everything.
There are many other ways to start a process in admin mode ( use
Run as administratorcontext menu, run from a terminal app running in Admin mode).How to solve it?
Unfortunately the only option is to close the admin SumatraPDF process.
If this is due to Everything, you can re-configure it to run in non-admin mode as described at https://www.voidtools.com/faq/#how_do_i_prevent_the_uac_prompt_when_running_everything
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