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Use Raspberry Pi OS Lite (Debian v12 bookworm) 32Bit or 64Bit on Pi 5 for a RpiSurv fresh install? #189
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Well I tried both the 32Bit and 64Bit versions of (Raspberry Pi OS Lite Debian 12 - bookworm), the only versions that are supported on the Pi5 and unfortunately neither works! As you install with "sudo ./install.sh" and after a lot of files get downloaded and installed, the installer exists with an error!
The included version of VLC with both distributions does indeed support "mmal" so RpiSurv needs to be updated to work with the newer versions of VLC... Anyone else have and other suggestions and advises if 64 Bit is better than 32Bit for RpiSurv? |
As I own no pi5 nor bookworm, could you paste output of vlc --help it should contain mmal options |
Thanks @SvenVD here you go:
While still on bookworm 32Bit, I even used the "fix" from HERE and:
Than again issued:
and got:
More details on current mmal:
Any other suggestions? |
Uninstall current vlc and the try this. sudo apt install vlc=3.0.17.4 |
Thanks @akoryuerek but no dice getting to install it on Pi5 w/ bookworm 32bit, see below:
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Seems we are also running into RPi-Distro/vlc#80 (comment). Or can you still have the mmal on 32 bit on bookworm? |
That's crazy! Any alternatives to VLC we could use on bookworm v12 and the Pi5? |
I don't have a 5, but a 4 and it can install bookworm. Same issue occurs on 32 bit. Bullseye I couldn't get to work either. |
Would love to see RPISURV using something like SDL2 (https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL2/FrontPage) or SDL3 (https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL3/FrontPage) instead as video output --- well supported, and used by quite a few projects.
Additionally, multiple emulation/retro-gaming platforms use SDL, no issues with framerate there:
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Any updates on this? I've got two pi 3Bs still running Debian 10 because I've been unable to install rpisurv on any debian version newer. |
I am in the middle of a proof of concept trying something out for the next version of rpisurv. However to finish it will take some time as my time is very limited. |
Appreciate the update - hoping for something to give me a reason to update the old RPISURV2 installs. |
I am now focusing on x86 hardware like https://www.asus.com/displays-desktops/mini-pcs/pn-series/asus-expertcenter-pn42/
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Interesting to hear for sure. I would have thought the improved GPU and CPU in the Pi5 would have helped on the performance side as would moving away from VLC. |
Honestly we don't need more than 9 streams per screen (for 99% of setups) and a PI will handle that.
But you can solve that by shifting away from VLC (As has been suggested above with SDL). On the bright side, the focus on x86 and intel GPU accel means the older NUC will be usable, but those are still $120-150'ish, which is a FAR cry from a POE powered PI. :( (look at what the emulation platforms have done - by embracing SDL they become platform independent) |
There is probably a good chance that it will work on x86 as well as pi 5, but we will see. |
Hello @SvenVD,
As I posted about before and you are aware, I've been having some camera freezing issues with RpiSurv on a Pi4B 2GB that could be related to the GPU getting overloaded or possibly failing. As such I just ordered a Pi5 4GB and plan to do a clean OS install on it (Raspberry Pi OS Lite Debian 12 - bookworm) but need advice as to what build to install. Is RpiSurv compatible with both 32 Bit and 64 Bit "Raspberry Pi OS Lite"? Which bit flavor do you recommend I use?
Also, any tweaks for RpiSurv to get the most out of the new Pi5 GPU and run 9 cameras smoothly again?
Thank you.
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