etc is in wrong place

[shawnl]

etc is in /data/data/com.termux/files/usr/etc instead of /data/data/com.termux/files/etc

its confusing.

Is there a reason for this?

[shawnl]

tmp var and etc

Everything that can't be read-only

Symlinks will probably be needed to keep stuff working.

[ghost]

@SDRausty never put /tmp to sdcard. This can break some tools (such as tmux) which need to create sockets or other special files.

[ghost]

@SDRausty, mounting loopback device as /tmp is possible, but requires root. There is not possible (at my opinion) to grant a mount permission for regular android application.

[JamesFinn]

@xeffyr GNUroot Debian mount and have modules to simulate root over them!

[ghost]

Ok, I will check if it can mount EXT4 or FAT32 images in userspace.

[ghost]

Debian noroot cannot mount filesystem images:

If you can mount image in Debian noroot, then post screenshots or other info how you do that.

[ghost]

It's not a real image, view scripts https://github.com/pelya/debian-noroot/tree/master/img, https://github.com/pelya/debian-noroot/tree/master/dist

[ghost]

To mount filesystem image, it's needed to port entire kernel subsystem to userspace, or use FUSE (for which root is needed in android)

[JamesFinn]

@SDRausty no fakeroot cannot mount any image like .dat .img etc you need real root for this purpose

[JamesFinn]

@xeffyr do you think fakeroot can mount?
Post here

[ghost]

@JamesFinn no, it cannot, because it's needed to port entire kernel subsystem to userspace, or use FUSE (for which root is needed in android) is needed to simulate mount. Bind mount as proot already do is more simple.

[ghost]

And no one will port kernel drivers to the userspace for using under proot. Also this will make proot very slow.

Fakeroot is a tool that simulates root UID, and no more.

[shawnl]

I already suggested moving tmp in another issue. I was just saying it shouldn't be under usr. My bad for the confusion

[ghost]

@shawnl I have already opened PRs for /tmp

1. Shell script version - use /data/data/com.termux/cache as TMPDIR #1788
2. On app side - use /data/data/com.termux/cache as TMPDIR termux-app#478

Both for me working good. But we need a comment from @fornwall.

[ghost]

@SDRausty why not just a use shell script that will setup everything when Termux session start (for those who have root).

[ghost]

@SDRausty to make root you need to crack android 😆 .

[ghost]

@SDRausty no, I don't know open source apps for rooting, but maybe on github you can find some exploits that can be compiled and used, but on old Android versions may be.

Why not to use a regular root method that appropriate for your device, on xda-developers you can find a many of them.

[JamesFinn]

@xeffyr I'm also agree with /tmp.
But why it's not get an look from Fronwall is there any problem?

[shawnl]

https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/

…

On Nov 26, 2017 07:20, "S D Rausty" ***@***.***> wrote: @shawnl <https://github.com/shawnl> can't everything just go to files like in a normal Linux? That would be ideal, wouldn't it? Well almost everything, some folders are duplicated. /files/bin /files/etc /files/home /files/lib /files/tmp /files/var /files/usr/lib /files/usr/libexec /files/usr/bin /files/usr/share What is your opinion about this proposal? — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#1836 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AAfLcuniXgfohlVGqn7hNQRUjiDgFIDkks5s6YG3gaJpZM4QqqzS> .

[Quasic]

If /usr contained a r/o tree, it could be moved to the SDcard? Updates could be a problem, though, at least in some cases of updating /usr/share...

[ghost]

@Quasic, did you think about file permissions ? Android /sdcard and external SD (which is a FAT or EXFAT) does not support file permissions.

But you could try, if you still want:

mv $PREFIX/share /sdcard/
ln -s /sdcard/share $PREFIX/share

[Quasic]

If it was up to me, /var and /etc are the only ones I would consider splitting here, as there is another issue for /tmp. Since this could be implemented on my side with symlinks, I might try this, actually, as I am trying the /tmp split.

[Quasic]

@xeffyr I tried with only /usr/share/java a while ago, to merge the jars with the ones in my project folder on the SD, and it failed to set the timestamp, causing an abort on update. I expect other issues would occur with other files, as well, though most could probably be fixable, if desired...

[ghost]

@Quasic I have the same failed to set the timestamp when extracting tar archives but it is not fatal. This is due to limitation of Android's virtual filesystem on /sdcard.

There is probably only one fix - patch programs to hide such errors, but this is a bad way and shouldn't be used.

[ShalokShalom]

This shows there is no /etc at all: https://termux.com/linux.html

[ghost]

there is no /etc at all

etc is exist, but it is prefixed as everything else. Path to etc is /data/data/com.termux/files/usr/etc. And it can't be moved to the real rootfs (which is /).

[ShalokShalom]

Well, its confusing.

[ghost]

@ShalokShalom, this topic about moving 'etc' from $PREFIX/etc to /data/data/com.termux/files. IMO, this will be more confusing as other package data will be in $PREFIX.

Current place of 'etc' shouldn't be confusing if you assume that $PREFIX is a 'real' rootfs.

[ShalokShalom]

I mean the documentation.

[shawnl]

This issue has not created good discussion and is unlikely to be fixed. It is also mostly a style thing. Thus closing.

[ShalokShalom]

🙄