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klama #35

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lynn opened this issue Oct 3, 2016 · 3 comments
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klama #35

lynn opened this issue Oct 3, 2016 · 3 comments

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@lynn
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lynn commented Oct 3, 2016

The old definition:

x1 comes/goes to destination x2 from origin x3 via route x4 using means/vehicle x5.

People have long frowned upon the existence of the final two places. They’re stealing fi'o pluta and fi'o marce's work! We should get rid of them, probably.

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uakci commented Oct 4, 2016

x5 is essential to «klama»: it makes it different from «muvdu». But for the
x4 I'm totally unsure... ―uak

On Oct 3, 2016 9:52 PM, "Lynn" notifications@github.com wrote:

The old definition:

x1 comes/goes to destination x2 from origin x3 via route x4 using
means/vehicle x5.

People have long frowned upon the existence of the final two places.
They’re stealing fi'o pluta and fi'o marce's work! We should get rid
of them, probably.


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Ntsekees commented Oct 4, 2016

It is thought that {klama} also differs from {muvdu} in that it's volitional, so it's more like {muvzu'e}.

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mklcp commented Apr 12, 2017

  • Get rid of the x4 would break the pattern 'destination, origin, way'.
  • if klama is muvzu'e, then muvzu'e has the semantic 'applied to itself': the volitional entity which undertakes the action of movement, applies this movement to itself ⦅OBLique, to retake ithkuil's typology⦆
  • also, klama is not just I move to … from … ……, it is I come to … ……: the action is underlyingly defined and recognized ⦅ForMaL to retake ithkuil's typology⦆

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