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Support for "gift to spouse" action type #510

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jezevec opened this issue May 4, 2024 · 2 comments · May be fixed by #549
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Support for "gift to spouse" action type #510

jezevec opened this issue May 4, 2024 · 2 comments · May be fixed by #549
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@jezevec
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jezevec commented May 4, 2024

Is there a consideration to support gifts to spouse as a separate action?

I guess standard gifts are equivalent to selling shares. But giving to a spouse, despite not having tax implications, reduces Section 104. I don't see how to input that transaction at least as a raw input.

Skipping that transaction would lead to incorrect results causing this application cannot be used in such scenarios.

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vmartinv commented May 7, 2024

I think it would be an useful feature to support. Although I believe you need to handle both sending and receiving the shares, it's likely both people will be using the tool.

  1. Sending should be easy to implement as it just reduces the 104, although more careful consideration might be needed when the other rules come into scope. It might be helpful to report the value of the gift too for the reason below.
  2. Receiving is harder to implement, because the giftee needs to somehow input the value of the shares when they were first owned by the gifter.

I don't have transaction of these sorts so any help for implementing this would be appreciated.

Related: https://www.gov.uk/capital-gains-tax/gifts

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m01 added a commit to m01/capital-gains-calculator that referenced this issue Jun 30, 2024
This adds a new action type, as TRANSFER seems to deal with money transfers
rather than share transfers, and SALEs also involve money whereas gifted
shares do not.

The calculation code will raise a NotImplementedError if it encounters
one of these transactions.

This may help KapJI#510.
m01 added a commit to m01/capital-gains-calculator that referenced this issue Jun 30, 2024
This adds a new action type, as TRANSFER seems to deal with money transfers
rather than share transfers, and SALEs also involve money whereas gifted
shares do not.

The calculation code will raise a NotImplementedError if it encounters
one of these transactions.

This may help KapJI#510. This contribution has been developed in my spare time.
m01 added a commit to m01/capital-gains-calculator that referenced this issue Jul 6, 2024
This adds a new action type, as TRANSFER seems to deal with money transfers
rather than share transfers, and SALEs also involve money whereas gifted
shares do not.

The calculation code will raise a NotImplementedError if it encounters
one of these transactions.

This may help KapJI#510. This contribution has been developed in my spare time.
m01 added a commit to m01/capital-gains-calculator that referenced this issue Jul 6, 2024
This adds a new action type, as TRANSFER seems to deal with money transfers
rather than share transfers, and SALEs also involve money whereas gifted
shares do not.

The calculation code will raise a NotImplementedError if it encounters
one of these transactions.

This may help KapJI#510. This contribution has been developed in my spare time.
jezevec added a commit to jezevec/capital-gains-calculator that referenced this issue Jul 28, 2024
It add support for transfers to spouse that have no GCT implications (if
legally married and living together). It just reduces the Section 104.

This should fix KapJI#510
@jezevec jezevec linked a pull request Jul 28, 2024 that will close this issue
jezevec added a commit to jezevec/capital-gains-calculator that referenced this issue Jul 30, 2024
It add support for transfers to spouse that have no GCT implications (if
legally married and living together). It just reduces the Section 104.

This should fix KapJI#510
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jezevec commented Aug 3, 2024

I was looking into that and came to the same conclusions. Transfering to spouse should not be a subject to matching rules, only reduces the Section 104 (based on https://community.hmrc.gov.uk/customerforums/cgt/cd55f761-e320-ef11-a81c-0022481b5e57). I have created a patch for that. I have such a transaction but only use the raw format so haven't added it for other broakers.

Regarding receiving shares I am not fully clear whether it is subject to the same day and B&B rules. Some time ago I saw a post on the forum which implied it is, but when I checked again now that post is gone, so maybe it was wrong. Otherwise getting the quantity and value will be easy as it will be the same as the quantity and value that was removed from partner's Section 104.

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