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Power supply design #8
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@azerimaker can you please add relevant design documents and relevant design decisions here. |
After many discussions and past mistakes with the GN, we decided to go with the ### 2x AA battery solution. By doing so, will provide us with a working input voltage range of 1.8-3.6V which aligns perfectly with the useful operating voltage of the STM32WL and other on-board devices. Would love to get @johanstokking's opinion on this choice. |
If we go the 2x AA way, we can use a step-down converter or a low power linear power regulator (LDO), by operating at a lower voltage, say @2v we can attain a much more stable device, with longer battery life, wider voltage input range (1.8 - 5.5V). |
I've got too little experience to say something more meaningful about this than what you describe above. What speaks for 2x AA is the ability to easily replace the batteries anywhere. If there are other very commonly used batteries that provide better performance and are smaller, for example, then we need to consider that. One of the mistakes made with GN was, I believe, that there were some tweaks needed to power the ATECC608A with 2.0 V (?) |
There are other batteries, of course, (smaller, higher energy density), but they all come with added cost. Cheapest option is the AA alkaline. @johanstokking if we believe the datasheets (which we shouldn't) operating voltage starts from 2V. The buck converter has a selectable output ranging from 1.8-3.3V, if needed we can adjust the output voltage with a quick solder bridge. |
Design decision: One idea is to target 14 dBm only design?
Cons:
Am I missing other cons? then why is the LW standard mentioning +20 as a recommendation for the US @azerimaker @wienke @johanstokking what are your thought on this? |
Can you give some figures about better battery design, better power efficiency and reduced costs, when going for a design that supports only 14 dBm? TX power is driven by Adaptive Data Rate and/or the application running on the end device. We wouldn't always make use of 20 dBm in US915, but it would be a possibility. It's 4 times as much power which can become. |
Regarding better power efficiency:
@azerimaker can you provide some estimation and figures regarding the better battery design and the reduced cost that will be gained if we limit only to 14dBm? |
@johanstokking @elsalahy @wienke, the buck converter we want to use has selectable outputs which can be set during the assembly. We can also read this jumper status and program the firmware to operate accordingly. If we set the operating voltage to 2V for EU and 2.7V for US with a penalty of slightly more current consumption, we can have singe BOM to cover both regions. |
What would be the estimate? @elsalahy estimates 30%, which is not "slightly"
This sounds great |
@johanstokking increasing transmit power (by increasing the voltage) will always end up in higher energy consumption. With the help of ADR US customers can still save a lot of energy. |
after revising the power supply section we now have two design options if we want to achieve global operation using single BOM.
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Before I provide my recommendation, |
Yes it's a ATECC608B version with the same specifications otherwise |
@elsalahy, the Linear regulator I've picked has selectable output with a resistive voltage divider, we can set whatever operating voltage we want between 1.8-3.3V. |
@azerimaker Ok great, one tip is to analyse the latest old GN schematics and ensure we use similar capacitors values and setup. |
@wienke , @elsalahy , @johanstokking ,
The takeaway is that, 2x AA has 66% percent more capacity than 3x AAA. |
I think we can all agree that going with 2xAA route would be the best option, at least for the first prototype. |
We now have one last crucial decision to make. After all the back and forth discussions, it's clear that we have two options to proceed for our power supply approach, which are: 1. We design two slightly different and region optimized BOMs for the and the US. EU one would be optimized to work at max. +14dBm output, while operating at lover voltage (2V), and the US one will have higher operating voltage to accommodate high RF power output. Advantages:
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2. We design single BOM with dual-band RF front-end. We again have two sub-options here:2.1 Have a fixed middle voltage (say ~2.7V) with max. RF power of +20 dBm. Advantages:
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2.2 Have a dynamically scaling power source (default +2V, can jump up to +3.3V)
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@wienke, @johanstokking, @elsalahy, If you ask me, if the added 5% component cost and slightly compromised battery life isn't an issue, I would pick option 2.1 at least for the first prototypes to be on the safe side, but if you say we should aim for lower BOM cost from the beginning, then we should go with option 1. Option 2.2 could be an experimental one, once we have a working prototype of option 2.1. It can be an upgrade. |
I support |
Let's go for 2.1 for now indeed, thanks for the considerations. |
Same |
Summary:
Power supply design discussions and decisions.
edit by @azerimaker:
Step-down regulator choices:
TPS62840DLCR
BD70522GUL
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