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Alternate comma & semicolon #145

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hkmbs opened this issue Mar 17, 2018 · 14 comments
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Alternate comma & semicolon #145

hkmbs opened this issue Mar 17, 2018 · 14 comments

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hkmbs commented Mar 17, 2018

Jawi & Sindhi uses a different variant of the standard Arabic comma & semicolon that points downwards instead of upwards.

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I’ve seen this for Sindhi before, but it is the first time I hear about it for Jawi. Do you have any references for this?

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hkmbs commented Mar 18, 2018

Here's an example of the downward comma being used in Jawi. This is actually the common practice for Jawi.

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hkmbs commented Mar 18, 2018

In fact, here is a newer excerpt of the downwards comma used in a Jawi/Malay newspaper.
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OpenType does not seem to have a language tag for Jawi https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/opentype/spec/languagetags, or may be I should use Malay tag? What language tag is used for Jawi text on the web?

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hkmbs commented Mar 25, 2018

I'm not sure, but it seems that Calibri uses locl: arab{MLY } for the commas.

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Thanks for the confirmation, I already did that.

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Malay sample

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hkmbs commented Mar 30, 2018

Nice, but it seems that there is no way to access that locale in Microsoft Word 2016 though. Do you have any idea how?

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I don’t use Word that much, but you need to set text language somehow (should be the language used for spell checking).

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hkmbs commented Apr 1, 2018

I checked and Jawi isn't on the list of text languages for spell checking for Word. Do you know of any other word processors that support Jawi?

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I checked LibreOffice but it does not allow Malay with Arabic script, but I’m checking if I can fix this. In the mean time, I think I’ll add a stylistic set so people can use this irrespective of the text language.

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hkmbs commented Apr 6, 2018

I think that's better. Thank you.

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FWIW, LibreOffice 6.1 (to be released in a few months) will provide two Jawi language settings, Malay Arabic (Malaysia) and Malay Arabic (Brunei Darussalam), and it seems to activate the alternate glyphs when selected.

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Nice, but it seems that there is no way to access that locale in Microsoft Word 2016 though. Do you have any idea how?

For MS Word 2016, there are two Unicode characters can be used to present this:
U+2E41 REVERSED COMMA
U+204F REVERSED SEMICOLON
It would be nice if these characters were added in Amiri.

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