Content: remove pirates from Ildaria

[Hurleveur]

Content

Summary

Regarding sad archie timer ship, I noticed that when you move it resets it (as intended), meaning if you're fighting pirates you wont be able to meditate properly.

This removes pirates from that system.
We can just say the Archon stopped them from entering

Testing Done

it worked, no pirates and it triggered a bit later

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Uploading Carstesan Nemo.txt…
launch, land (to trigger the latest version of the mission), and then go to Ildara to test it out. (and you get to see the magnificent Emperor Beetle from up close, too)

[warp-core]

The event "initial deployment 2" increases the periods of these fleets to 4000 and 7000, respectively. Applying this event after that will result in the pirate frequency in this system being almost four times what it is supposed to be.

[Hurleveur]

Suggested change

	event "readd pirates to Ildaria"
	system Ildaria
	add fleet "Small Southern Pirates" 1000
	add fleet "Large Southern Pirates" 2000
	event "readd pirates to Ildaria"
	system Ildaria
	add fleet "Small Southern Pirates" 4000
	add fleet "Large Southern Pirates" 7000

good catch, and there's no way you get this before said event so no need to have 2 different events

[ziproot]

I did there might be riots before Geminus was bombed

[Hurleveur]

I think that's an edge case? I don't think it's worth it to have two events
We're talking about doing TMBR 1,2 and 3, meaning you'd need "Deep Archaeology 5" and going to hai space. Wouldn't happen except if you wanted it to

The one case where I could see adding a different event be worth it is if we make the start of the game happen earlier somehow
A second event wouldnt cost that much to add either (ultimately this just shows a lack of flexibility for events influencing fleet spawns)

[ziproot]

The on complete block has a conversation, meaning the conversation can use a branch depending on whether or not initial deployment 2 has happened to determine whether or not to use an action to set one event or the other.
EDIT: Still, this is an issue where events can only override fleet spawns entirely, rather than revert the changes of a previous event.

[Hurleveur]

I mean dont worry I know pretty much everything about data stuff after having done 10k lines of missions, it isn't about how to do it just whether or not it was worth it
I'll do it quickly and we'll see what warp thinks. It would be more robut tbf

[Hurleveur]

Btw the tricky part here is to not have empty `` used as goto, but with branches it can be done

[Hurleveur]

Done, but just a word from the devs and I'll revert it as I'm not sure if we should be this precise with spawnrates

[ziproot]

Yeah, devs definitely override me.

[alexrovw]

Looks good to me. I've been complaining about Ildaria pirates interfering with Sad Archie for months. Thank you for actually fixing it! 😄

[ziproot]

Considering the switch to an actual timer will require complete idling rather than mostly idling, I approve of this change. I would prefer if pirates spawns were reworked across the board, but this is still a step in the right direction.

While the archon is there the whole time and suddenly not having pirates might seem weird, I'm going to go and say gameplay over [redacted] here, especially when at the moment events remove pirate spawns for seemingly arbitrary reasons (and no I'm not talking about pirate battle missions).

[Amazinite]

Thoughts on making it so that Ildaria never has pirates from game start? By making it so that we clear Ildaria via an event, that makes the system stick out like a sore thumb due to the danger map; the system will flip from low danger to no danger for seemingly no reason.

By making it completely safe from game start, it'll be an oddity of a system, but it won't suddenly become more obvious after finishing this mission.

The reasoning behind why Ildaria has no pirate spawns could be because of the presence of the Archon influencing pirates that pass through. Perhaps there is spaceport news from southern pirate worlds talking about hearing strange forces or having an odd feeling when in Ildaria that makes them avoid the system.

[Hurleveur]

There's an FW mission where you explicitly go there to test a weapon (plasma turrets?) so whilst I wouldnt mind it never having pirates that'd make it a bit weird.

[Amazinite]

Mission NPCs appearing in systems that fleets from the same government wouldn't normally spawn in isn't unheard of.

[Hurleveur]

Should we also remove the pirate spawns if they were added by the "intitial deployment 2" event before this PR, with a comp patch?

edit: I'm thinking of making the event to remove them trigger with the sad archie mission, because otherwise who cares about a little bit of pirates spawning outside of that context?

[Amazinite]

I'd be fine with a compat mission/event that ensures that there are no pirate spawns.

[ziproot]

I think pirate spawns across the board need to be looked at.