I have already used the name for *MY* programming language #9
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I think Mr McCabe's language is called "Go!". Here's the Lulu link: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/lets-go/641689 |
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reidellis: is right! its "Lets Go!" or "Go!". This is google "go", "The Go Programming Language" Bigg Difference.. :) P.s. Anyone hearing the release of Google "go" would have picked up their book that never sold and started finding the work "GO" and as they would find their 1st "GO" they wil go , Eureka! :) |
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Indeed they should. Full support for you, Mr. McCabe. It's not that hard to find references to your language online either - it was on the first page of Bing, second of Google for 'go programming language'. In fact, the title of the Google go tutorial page is even "Let's Go". It would be pretty poor for you folks Google to keep this name given your "do no evil" slogan! |
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Comment 20 by sebastian@realpath.org: Google should consider a different name simply for the reason that "Go" is just a too common word and it might eventually become difficult to google for references and examples about this language. A somewhat more unique name can have its benefits. |
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Comment 26 by brett@webtrotter.com: how about GOOP = Google Object Oriented Programming? mccabe- personally, I agree with you, but while you may be first, and you may be published, your issue title begs not to take you seriously regardless of your actual stature. I do hope this is resolved in your favor though. |
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It is completely absurd to use name of an already existing language. Hey Google, couldn't you, i don't know... google it? Oh right, the name is so generic, that is almost impossible to get relevant matches. If this language catches on, it'll be a nightmare to search for problems and solutions. |
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@33 Disturbing but funny... I can imagine the logo now: 3OE @34 Look at the dates of these things, it would appear that go started around the same time that the book was being written (but Go! already existed). I wouldn't be surprised to learn that due diligence was done at the time but simply that since then it just hadn't been revisited. @36 http://xkcd.com/292/ |
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This is issue #9...... Plan 9..... Coincidence? |
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First Closure (name-squatting Clojure) now Go stopping Go! in its tracks. Just another week in the life of a giant company. Google seems to be dropping to the level of ye olde "Embrace and Extend" - just throw your weight around - MSFT mode. Way to go (!) boys! I think I'll might just create a search engine called "Google!", let's see if this ruffles some feathers in the 'Plex. |
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@55: I doubt if they'd call it G! due to Yahoo!. Or maybe they could, just to poke Y! to check if there's still life in the rival ;-) Yahoo! had a product for mobile phones called Go, BTW. It's now turned into a longish sentence. I'd vote for go2 as well. It's the new go, the new goto and it doesn't take away the "go func()" syntax for goroutines. |
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@40 Golang looks like a winner... they're already using the domain http://golang.org/ and it looks like no-one else is using that as a language name. |
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@54: Closure is named after a well known and well established javascript (ECMAscript) programming concept, which makes sense since that's what it targets. I doubt it has anything to do with something with a different (although close) name when something with the SAME name is already part of the language they're doing. If you're going to complain about that complain about the fact that now searching for "javascript closure" is ambiguous as to whether you mean the concept or the compiler. Searching for "Clojure" still returns the correct results. As for the name, as you all rightly pointed out, one is called "go" and the other is called "Go!". Am I the only person seeing the similarities between that and "C" and "C#"? If you think that having an extra character is a problem, you should go speak to Microsoft first. People also pointed out the fact that "goo" is already taken, who is going to be first to demand they change their name too for being too close to "Go!"? Or "G"? I suggest you see these lists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages http://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list See how many languages there are on those lists where one name is only separated from another name by one character? Is this going to be a new campaign that any programming language must have at least 4 different characters from another programming language? |
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This just doesn't look good for Google. Namesquatting on other languages is just poor manners and arrogance. Saying that it's ok because Microsoft does it hardly improves the strength of Google's case. Hmmm. It makes one reconsider basing what one is doing around Google's products doesn't it? This is a company that is becoming increasingly badly behaved. One day you have collusion with the Chinese government and gratuitous namesquatting on other languages, the next day... what? will it be passing along the position of people using the Android navigation system to the Government without subpoena? Something more nefarious? |
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I'd like to point out that G and Goto are already used as names for programming languages, although Goto seems to be just a hobby language. G - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LabVIEW Goto Language - http://pivot.servut.us/w/Goto |
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I propose this name : IHAUTNF*M*PL as the formal, official name. For day-to-day activities we could use "issue #9". ;-) |
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@66 the spelling may be different, but in both cases (Clojure and Go!), the pronounciation of the Google newly introduced products is identical. I don't know if there's a legal case here, but Google financial weight makes any trial unfair to begin with. It's more a matter of courtesy and good manners anyway. |
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I agree it should be renamed "issue #9" |
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I third "issue #9"! |
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Fantastic idea! "issue #9!" |
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What is peculiar is that on Mr. McCabe's blog (http://frankmccabe.wordpress.com/category/computer-languages/) he mentions (in a 2008 post, the year after his go! book) he's developing a language, and does not mention this languages name (I am guessing it _might_ be go!, but who knows?); Wikipedia has no mention of "go!"; I don't find reference with google or bing (other than news generated by this thread); However, McCabe did publish a paper on "go!" (2004): http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~klc/annals.pdf In fact, the paper states that 'Go!' is available on http://sourceforge.net/projects/networkagent/, and was developed jointly with McCabe and Clark. The description is of "A group of systems for building network-oriented intelligent agents, consisting an agent communications infrastructure, April - an agent construction programming language, Go! - a logic programming language and DialoX - an XML-based user interface engine". I don't know if this domain specificity impacts go's stated general purpose systems programming - but the sourceforge area has commits back in 2000. Interesting! |
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Francis McCabe, do you have a trademark with a (tm) or registered on your language "Go!"? I see you have a book on it, very nice. A trademark though would likely settle this matter in your favor especially if you decided to ask The Google for a bit of their GOld that shines on GOogle for your letting them use Go as a name for their language. Just a thought. I really like Golang by the way Go(oogle) team since Go(ogle) seems to be very similar and in the same category of languages as Erlang in the sense of servers and clients communicating via pipes aka channels in Go(ogle) much like what happens in Erlang. Both are characterized by coarse grained concurrency in the servers, although in your examples you did show a very simple fine grained 100,000 unit spawn of Go(ogle)routines flocking in a serial flow of chain linked servers. Nice. |
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I fourth issue #9 |
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5th for issue #9/ |
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It doesn't matter who has bigger user base, more money, better or more expensive lawyers or something similar. The issue is simple, the guy invented the language, put some effort on it, published a book, and now BigCo! is trying to bully him to abandon it just because they couldn't find out some name which is not taken. It's just not fair. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil then ... don't |
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Comment 90 by thorsten.moeller.de: +1 for renaming Google "Go" to "issue #9". This would prove that Google has a sense of humor and respect for others' ideas that came first (even the other did not register a trademark). |
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I like go2 and go2 variants, but I wouldn't use a language named after an antipattern. Haha... :P issue #9 sounds pretty good. I also vote for Goopy |
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It'd be better to do it now and leave this little dude alone than to continue the ambiguity. Google's Go is only a day old, not too much to lose if they change the name now. Also, maybe little guy has some money, or will find some money, and litigate, as he's already expressed his displeasure at the collision. I think it's best for everyone if Google just mans up and makes the change now. In the end it will only generate more publicity for both Gos, and everyone will be happy, and the threat of unpleasant ramifications (including bad PR and possible litigation) vanishes. There is no abundance of documentation or online help that will be derailed right now if Google makes the change, though I'd reckon a language that's been around for 10 years has some. Fingers crossed that Google will do it, though I doubt they will. |
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Comment 99 by thorsten.moeller.de: yet another proposal: I9 short form of "issue #9", reflects the fact that it was published first in 2009, and hopefully does not clash with any other name |
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6th for issue #9 |
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Still no answer from Google? I suppose they're busy talking about this issue with their lawyers.... and that is very sad. Common Google, what if any of you would have done a programming language and some big company steals the name of your work? Just change the name... you can clearly see that people who cares about this project do NOT want to learn nor program on a stealed programming language's name because most of us have strongly ethics for these kind of things. Btw, you would really change this language to Issue9. Seriously. |
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Comment 1011 by dsiembab@fullchannel.net: +1 fmccabe you idiots ( who disagree with changing the name of the language ) do not realize that if you let google trample over someone elses languages name, then what else are you going to let them get away with. Also you have to look at it from fmccabe point of view working on a language for that long and in comes big corp don't care my language will be named this no matter what. Bunch of tools. How about changing it to FAD, because after the marketing hype dies down that's all the language will be. |
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Comment 1013 by tedivm@tedivm.com: Its ridiculous that this is still marked as new. Come on Google, at least acknowledge the issue already! |
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issue #9 FTW. |
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Comment 1021 by ke3he@me.com: GOB (GO language, revision B) or shortened to GB? |
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Comment 1022 by monkey.instinct: +1 issue #9 "go" is not a good name. |
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-1 for issue #9 here. I have to agree with Comment 953 by dschauer, "Go" != "Go!". Besides, "goog" is already the name of Google's Closure package. Anyway, it's the name of the programming language, it's not a company or organization or a legal entity. Is it a crime to use the same name? 'Go' and write your own programming language and name it 'go', so what? |
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This issue has been sitting here for a while. It would be nice to at least see some acknowledgment that Google has seen it. If popular vote counts for anything, I believe that Google should change the name, both because it's already been used, and impossible to search for. |
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Go sounds very bad. issue #9 sounds much better and yo could use the command i9 to compile. but when they didn't change the name i would not program with it... ^,~ |
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issue #9 is a great name! |
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I agree with "issue #9" With a shorthand "i9" Maybe even file extension ".i9" |
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Lets settle this. Link to poll below: http://micropoll.com/t/KDY6rZ9JY |
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#1039 snotskie, it's not our decision to make also, why didn't you include "don't change the name" option? C, C++, C# Go, Go! #219 That is why it's even more confusing Don't use "don't be evil" against google just because you have another view on the matter. I also don't think it's fortunate to use such a similar name, but it's quite common while using short names... Shame on google for leaving this issue unanswered for this long. |
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"issue #9" does seem to be leading, but we are going to need *much* more than just 15 votes on something in order for this to make *any* kind of impact (or at least deserve attention from Google) Vote here: http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpview/773766-223833 Get the object code from here: http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpresult/773766-223833 And post the code in your blogs/sites/etc.. |
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I like the name go. I guess if it has a negative impact on McCabe's language then the name should be changed. There is a slight difference between go and Go! and completely different purposes. Googles go in not trying to muscle out Go! If the issue is one of fairness how unfair will it be if Google keeps the name? |
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Comment 1051 by bigolewannabe: I've heard issue #9 as a suggestion and I like that. |
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I was googling the other day, something around the lines of "wiki [programming??]", when the second link I saw was the one for the Go! programming language. So, I ask again for people to link these in their blogs/forum/Y!A/etc.. posts: Vote here: http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpview/773766-223833 Get the object code from here: http://www.micropoll.com/akira/mpresult/773766-223833 Get the word out about this issue. You can see the sudden appearance of it here: http://www.google.com/trends?q=Issue+9&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all Also, post a link here for every major mention that you make of it. 1057 posts and no word from Google. :/ |
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Comment 1056 by marcelo.escobal: Lot of time passed. Google guys are not changing anything. Tiobe named it "Programming Language of the year". It magically jumped into Tiobe Ranking! Guys: change the name. "issue #9" seems appropriate, nice and clever. +1 for this. |
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"issue #9" is perfect. Searching for related documentation would be also much easier because of a bit more unique name. |
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Comment 1059 by denyqmartins@uol.com.br: Do Lang |
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G1: Android phone G3: GAE G4: TiSP G5: Waves G6: Chrome G9: issue #9 |
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Comment 1061 by joseph.wecker: +1 for "issue #9" Everything has been said already here, but the longer the delay the harder it will be to rename. And there's no doubt that it needs to be renamed. |
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issue #9 for the win. |
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Forgot to mention, I vote 'issue #9' ! |
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"issue #9" is a cool name! |
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I love issue #9, just like Plan 9 ;-) |
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I love "issue #9", it's a cool name. |
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C'mon, Google, do it already. "issue #9" is an awesome name, proves you still have a sense of humour, is very uniquifiable, and would abbreviate nicely to i9. |
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Everyone complaining about 'Go' not being a searchable name should use: http://go-lang.cat-v.org/go-search |
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