Ra'ivavae is missing in the data: why?

[LinguList]

@SimonGreenhill, it seems that Ra'ivavae is not in the data (id=1213 in ABVD). I wonder how this happened, is it my code, or is it the data that you originally extracted? And is it possible there are more languages missing, or were they excluded for other reasons?

[LinguList]

@maryewal, I think that with the other issue in walworthpolynesian, and a check on the data again, this issue can then be solved, so we don't have real flaws, we just had an older version of glottolog, as far as I can see now.

[SimonGreenhill]

It's not in the filtered list of things to analyse

[LinguList]

Ah, thanks! So this is deliberate, right?

[LinguList]

Then we can close this issue.

[SimonGreenhill]

ja, the phylogenetic analysis is only running off a subset of the 'best' data, not all oceanic in ABVD. I would have thought Ra'ivavae would be in the final list but obviously not (perhaps @marywal can double check)

[maryewal]

we did some picking out of Vanuatu and NC, but Ra'ivavae should be in there.

[SimonGreenhill]

Hmm, this is Ben's list (i.e. it'll be left out of the phylogenies too). Can we double check this?

[maryewal]

Yep, will ask him at today's meeting.

[LinguList]

Is Ben in this repository, so we can discuss with him? I think all have admin rights, so you can add additional persons to the repository, if you want.

[maryewal]

We discussed at our CoOL meeting today and Simon is right that it is/was a glottocode issue (where there was the same glottocode for a group of languages, Ben pulled out the one with highest coverage). We are checking that there aren't other such cases like Ra'ivavae/Rurutu for the oceanic tree set, but I'm not sure it matters too much for the sound inventories?
(ben is @king-ben)

[king-ben]

Ra'ivavae has the same language-level Glottocode as Rurutuan in Glottolog

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On 25.08.21 11:41, Mary Walworth wrote: We discussed at our CoOL meeting today and Simon is right that it is/was a glottocode issue (where there was the same glottocode for a group of languages, Ben pulled out the one with highest coverage). We are checking that there aren't other such cases like Ra'ivavae/Rurutu for the oceanic tree set, but I'm not sure it matters too much for the sound inventories? (ben is @king-ben <https://github.com/king-ben>) — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#13 (comment)>, or unsubscribe <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ANTHRV6UPIN3UDUOZCTEFILT6S3F5ANCNFSM5CWO4Q6A>. Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS <https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675> or Android <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&utm_campaign=notification-email>.

[LinguList]

Yes, @king-ben, one should use the dialect glottocodes instead. The language-dialect distinction is anyway arbitrary in some sense, or does this yield a problem for any further comparisons?

[maryewal]

I think we can close this one? (Sorry, don't have rights to close in this repo or I'd just do it :))