Lightning Specification Meeting 2023/09/11

[t-bast]

The meeting will take place on Monday 2023/09/11 at 8pm UTC (5:30am Adelaide time) on Libera Chat IRC #lightning-dev. It is open to the public.

A video link is available for higher bandwidth communication: https://meet.jit.si/Lightning-Spec-Meeting

Recently Updated Proposals / Seeking Review

This section contains changes that have been opened or updated recently and need feedback from the meeting participants.

• Set dont_forward bit on initial channel_update (before 6 confs) More detailed definition when the dont_forward bit should be set #1106
• Add replay-specific onion failure code BOLT#04 : add replay-specific failure_code #1105
• Harmonize max cltv_expiry across implementations BOLT4: Specify max HTLC nLocktime for expiry_too_far #1086
• Simplified mutual close option_simple_close (features 60/61) #1096
• Spec clean-up Clean up: remove two unused features, assume four more #1092
• Use scid in blinded paths Reduce size of offer blinded paths #1099
• Offers Offers #798
• Quiescence BOLT 2: quiescence protocol (feature 34/35) option_quiesce #869
• Splicing Splice draft (feature 62/63) #863 vs Dynamic Commitments zzz-extension-bolt: a proposal for dynamic commitment upgrades #1090
• Taproot extension-bolt: simple taproot channels (feature 80/81) #995
• Taproot gossip extension-bolt: taproot gossip (features 32/33) #1059
• Attributable errors Attributable errors (feature 36/37) #1044
• Clarify channel_reestablish requirements Clarify channel_reestablish requirements #1049 or Rework channel_reestablish requirements #1051

Stale Proposals

This section contains pending changes that may not need feedback from the meeting participants, unless someone explicitly asks for it during the meeting. These changes are usually waiting for implementation work to happen to drive more feedback.

• Inbound fees Inbound routing fees blips#18 and Add a bLIP for backwards-compatible inbound fees blips#22
• Liquidity ads option_will_fund: liquidity ads #878

Waiting for interop

This section contains changes that have been conceptually ACKed and are waiting for at least two implementations to fully interoperate.
They most likely don't need to be covered during the meeting, unless someone asks for updates.

• Dual funding interactive-tx: Add dual-funding flow, using the interactive tx protocol (feature 28/29) #851
• Don't force close until error is received after channel_reestablish Nodes shouldn't publish their commitment when receiving outdated channel_reestablish #934
• Websocket transport websocket address type: allow transport over RFC6455 #891 or Websocket address type: attempt 2 #1068

Long Term Updates

This section contains long-term changes that need review, but require a substantial implementation effort.

• Channel jamming draft: Staking Credentials token issuance/redemption #1043 draft: HTLC Endorsement to Mitigate Channel Jamming #1071
• Simplified commitment Feature 106/107: option_simplified_update. #867
• Peer storage backup Peer backup storage (feature 40/41/42/43) #881
• Hold htlcs before forwarding Add the ability to hold HTLCs before forwarding (FEAT 52/53) #989
• Trampoline routing Trampoline Routing (2021 edition) (Feature 56/57) #829 and Trampoline onion format (Feature 56/57) #836
• lnprototest (https://github.com/rustyrussell/lnprototest)

[Crypt-iQ]

Was there an update on #1105 ?

[carlaKC]

Was there an update on #1105 ?

Probably not going to be helpful in the event of an actual replay attack because the intermediate node doing it will just trash the error, but useful for debugging accidental replay so go ahead with a PR 👍

[carlaKC]

Jitsi borked out on me while I was recording this one and dropped me from the call (which killed the recording without downloading) so we're going to be without a transcript for this one :(