RHOC on Exchange #29
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@leithaus @edeykholt |
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I've moved the Bittrex Submission Paper to RChain\Members\Exchanges I made also some additions in Suggestion mode. |
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Hi, I've made a request on poloniex at https://poloniex.com/coinRequest |
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Request made to changelly |
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Hitbtc request made |
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Let's just sit one moment on the sending.
I first have to read these two articles:
http://www.thetaxadviser.com/newsletters/2017/apr/cryptocurrency-taxes.html
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf
It could be also FYI
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On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:53 PM, patrick727 ***@***.***> wrote:
I think we can go ahead and send off the request to bittrex, I doubt we
will get the extra info to expedite process in any reasonable time.
@lapin7 <https://github.com/lapin7> do you want to send it out from an
offical rchain.coop email or is a normal email ok?
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We've also talk to Evan, because he attaches only value to RHOC when the
whole platform is in place. This is bullshit of course, because RHOC will
gain value pure on hope and believe.
BTW your defined price is fine with me and will go into the books like that.
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On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 4:12 PM, patrick727 ***@***.***> wrote:
@lapin7 <https://github.com/lapin7> thank you, yes I have been reading
over them carefully, RHOC specifically is interesting, if there is no
market value determining the value, then I believe it will have to be the
latest SOW's that determine the basis for tax purposes, because the SOW's
are effectively the "exchange" and have a USD value to them. What we were
doing(until I made my unique deal) was marking SOW's with RHOC value at
whatever the AMP value was when the agreement originated.
Since RHOC have been traded successfully on etherdelta, that might be a
basis as well, which that basis may benefit all of us because I believe
there at something like .0006 ETH, which is .50 USD currently.
Definitely need to talk through this more but i'm ok with holding off at
this point.
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The RHOCs are ERC20 tokens which, AFAIK, were created to act as a temporary store of value. Everybody is looking forward to the RChain native token, the REV. But from what I hear, that is a year – or more... – away. In the fintech sector that's too long to make predictions. Any scenarios will be based on an array of assumptions strung together. In the meantime we should align on how we want to utilize the RHOCs. They need to be actively managed, otherwise they will lose their value. |
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@lapin7 I can totally understand Evans point of view and its much needed to maneuver the business dynamics. Right so my SOW is a fixed RHOC amount until 8/31 that is giving it it's unique price basis. What we are talking about is essentially the reverse. ...you know the details of it. I'm talking for future budgeting and bounties, and re-reimbursements, etc. Cheers |
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Yes, I'm fine with that. But I'm not going to send the mail to Bittrex from
an @rchain.coop mail address. That's because Ed said that officers of
Rchain are quit silent about registration RHOC on exchanges.
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On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:32 PM, patrick727 ***@***.***> wrote:
@lapin7 <https://github.com/lapin7> I can totally understand Evans point
of view and its much needed to maneuver the business dynamics.
Right so my SOW is a fixed RHOC amount until 8/31 that is giving it it's
unique price basis. What we are talking about is essentially the reverse.
...you know the details of it. I'm talking for future budgeting and
bounties, and re-reimbursements, etc.
On that note, are you ok with going ahead and submitting the bittrex
submission?
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I agree with gather all necessary information required to have the token listed on exchanges, however it should be noted that while price discovery is important, large exchanges are not the only mechanism to achieve this goal. Both Maker and Digix have been sold (MKR by the Maker team in limited quantities) on Oasis and EtherDelta with low volumes where sellers have maintained asks within a range of parity to Ether. There is less noise about the price/market cap with steady appreciation. Today, MKR & DGD are valued at $163 and $85 respectively. Edit: Removed the comment regarding the RHOC to REV conversion..it is 1 to 1. |
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Hi @kdvalentine, |
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Hi @lapin7, yes you can place RHOC sell orders on Oasis or EtherDelta.
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@kdvalentine thanks for the brief how-to's, well formatted |
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Thx @kdvalentine. It was clear and I have placed some orders on Oasis. The board of RChain doesn't feel like registering RHOC on an exchange. They hope more or less that people create in a bottom-up way a market for RHOC. If you're interested in having RHOC on an exchange please raise requests "here" and "here". In the mean time you sell your RHOC at oasis and etherdelta. With below the manual of @kdvalentine . |
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Hi @magicmirage , Please communicate through github and not with personal emails. Like that all interested people can follow the progress. Great to hear from you. This SoW is a try out. Let's see how far we come. Start date: 06-01-2017 Please create an Epic under Please collaborate with @kdvalentine and slack@nathanwindsor in order to align things. He's making a video about RChain. The talk mix is here https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwX0krsxHncTRUxBVktEdDZHWEk Once this SoW process is clear. We're going to start with our Decentralized Governance model, i.e. Project proposal, Budget allocation, Funding, Execution. The video manual about "How to deal on exchanges like Oasis or EtherDelta" could be an example. -- On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Sam Rogers wrote: Nice to hear from you. I can make a video based on the manual, no problem. What would you like me to put here? Cheers, Sam Rogers |
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Where can you buy this Token or is it OTC? EtherDelta has nothing and Neither does OasisDEX? |
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I think RHOC is also listed on OasisDEX:
https://oasisdex.com/#trade/W-ETH/RHOC
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On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 2:04 AM, Harlan Robinson ***@***.***> wrote:
Where can you buy this Token or is it OTC? EtherDelta has nothing and
Neither does OasisDEX?
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Any progress on getting more trading in RHOC through exchanges. Hitbtc request submitted Has there been any follow up? |
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Changelly just got back to me after i followed up again. they have asked for answers to the following:
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I updated the information to include how to use Parity. I also included directions for placing an order on the 0x OTC. I don't know what the trading liquidity is but it may be a platform that will gain traction given the popularity of the ICO. |
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any moves on this? |
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The only thing missing on the Bittrex and Bitsquare form is the answer to this question: If you are an ETH token: On the other hand the volume of trades on EtherDelta and Oasisdex is growing and the rate seems to stabilise around 0.0008 ETH (20170825). Also with respect to the discussion about the low added value of getting RHOC listed on known exchanges like Bittrex, Poloniex, BitSquare, we might consider that no further effort is needed, meaning: it stays like it is at the moment. RHOC can only be traded on EtherDelta and Oasisdex. At the moment there's only one entry for budget allocation on this issue #29. However, I think it would be nice to reward @kdvalentine for his time spent on creating a manual for Parity and EtherDelta. So we need two more Activists that make an entry for issue #29. Otherwise it has no budget allocated. |
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I added a budget too. |
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Alright, just got an update from Coinmarketcap, token total and circulating supply have been updated. Also, managed to get them to update the Medium and Github links for better references / backlinks. I have also made a submission to cryptocompare pending review. On the issue of exchange listings, I am discussing with some exchanges that are open to listing without payments. @patrick727 Are we firm on " no intention of funding listings on exchanges " as I am in discussion with contacts that have links to Bittrex and that will require an additional compliance fee for listing. I think this might be beneficial to everyone since contractors / members get remunerated in RHOCs and ED seems to have very little liquidity to accept the RHOC sales. |
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@Mervyn853 Bravo! |
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Great work.
As members we could set up a pool that collects the needed money and then
the pool pays for the compliance fee(s).
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On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 6:20 AM, kitblake ***@***.***> wrote:
@Mervyn853 <https://github.com/mervyn853> Bravo!
We would very much like to be on Bittrex so (it's not my decision but) I
think we'll make the compliance fee happen.
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Firm no on funding/supporting any type of listing. Really important guys, the co-op is really supportive of a lot of activism, but this matter specifically is a must avoid. Hands tied. Please don't continue to push further on ways the cooperative can, even indirectly, support this. I am, personally uncomfortable with it even being an issue on github. It's been very clear this can only be an independent activity. There is no creative workaround. RHOC is a coupon redeemable for REV, that's it. @Mervyn853 If individuals or entities consider it "beneficial" enough then they will proceed autonomously. If you consider it to have that much value then its worth the sunk cost from you as an individual or as a group of individuals that are independent. Sorry |
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Even coupons that are redeemable for REV have a certain value. The coop
estimates the value at $0.20 and rewards workers using this rate.
We can ask in Greg's debrief if getting RHOC on poloniex or bittrex is an
activity that's not allowed to be done by employees, directors and
officers, but maybe it's allowed to be done by members or contractors.
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On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 4:11 PM, patrick727 ***@***.***> wrote:
Firm no on funding/supporting any type of listing.
Really important guys, the co-op is really supportive of a lot of
activism, but this matter specifically is a must avoid. Hands tied.
Please don't continue to push further on ways the cooperative can, even
indirectly, support this.
I am, personally uncomfortable with it even being an issue on github. It's
been very clear this can only be an independent activity. There is no
creative workaround.
RHOC is a coupon redeemable for REV, that's it.
@Mervyn853 <https://github.com/mervyn853> If individuals or entities
consider it "beneficial" enough then they will proceed autonomously. If you
consider it to have that much value then its worth the sunk cost from you
as an individual or as a group of individuals that are independent.
Sorry
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Imho, don't ask. The coop cannot do anything that makes the RHOC look like a security. There are dangerous rumblings, like an interview with the SEC chairman, that indicate he's thinking that ICOs are issuing securities, and should be subject to the same regulation. We already have a go, as Members, to get RHOCs listed on additional exchanges. Let's leave it at that. (And make it happen.) @patrick727 This convo is in the Members area of Github where all kinds of brainstorming happens. |
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I think if there is a legal acquaintance who can advice on this before we proceed that would be better. |
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Last night I confirmed that the https://etherdelta.com/#RHOC-ETH smart contract exchange works as advertised. |
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@kitblake thank you I'm still personally uncomfortable with this issue specifically. |
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I'm quite happy with the tokens being listed just on Ethedelta, as it's
been an opportunity for me to accumulate quite a bit more. (Not sure who
would be selling at this point??)
…On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Dan Connolly ***@***.***> wrote:
Last night I confirmed that the https://etherdelta.com/#RHOC-ETH smart
contract exchange works as advertised.
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I'm still concerned as to whether or not the trading on Ether delta puts
into question our project and token.
…On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:20 PM derek7272 ***@***.***> wrote:
I'm quite happy with the tokens being listed just on Ethedelta, as it's
been an opportunity for me to accumulate quite a bit more. (Not sure who
would be selling at this point??)
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There's really nothing we can do about that now, so not worth worrying
about. Investing in any crypto project comes with a lot of risks!
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… I'm still concerned as to whether or not the trading on Ether delta puts
into question our project and token.
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Well the coop better approve of rhoc to Rev translation of all those token
holders. It better not revert back to just the addresses that contributed
during the private sale.
…On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:58 PM derek7272 ***@***.***> wrote:
There's really nothing we can do about that now, so not worth worrying
about. Investing in any crypto project comes with a lot of risks!
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Hello everyone, Super noob here. My first ICO and I am wanting to send my RHOC tokens to Etherdelta to sell. I need help though. I have Meta Mask, when I get taken to my Etherscan account it shows me how many RHOC tokens I have. I have no idea how to send those tokens to an Etherdelta account though? PLEASE HELP!! THANKS!! |
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RHOCs are our property and trading them does not make them a security. The
coop cannot prevent or control us trading them. However if the coop
supports listing RHOCs on an exchange that clearly pegs it as a security
under SEC guidelines.
There is no problem if individuals create a fund for listing rhoc on
exchanges as long as the coop does not invest in the fund, however it may
be best that neither employees or contractors do not participate in the
process of managing the fund as that could be construed as an act of the
coop. I would participate but since I have an SOW with the coop I may not
be able to. If there is such a fund I could send my own ETH to it without
implicating the coop. What is the cost of listing on bittrex?
@azreed1141 enter the number of rhos you want to deposit on etherdelta and
click the blue deposit button.
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@azreed1141 Hi, if you scroll up then you find an explanation of @kdvalentine |
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@lapin7 - Please remove this bounty. I'm closing this issue because it goes against what the other directors of the Cooperative, as well as counsel have advised regarding the classification of RHOC/REV as a security vs utility token. |
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@drbloom, there's a governance overstep here. The Members have the right to do as they wish with their tokens. They can trade them, and if they wish they can get the RHOC listed on additional exchanges. The board cannot make a decree and forbid Members from such an effort. Only the Members can decide such a thing. What the board can do – and is doing – is make it clear that the Co-op itself cannot support, financially or otherwise, efforts to get the RHOC listed on more exchanges. I agree that removing the long-running bounty from the rewards program would be prudent. So I just did (Members who disagree are welcome to argue with me). This issue goes back to May 4th and contains a lot of valuable information, such as how to deal on various exchanges. It's also linked from media channels and the FAQ. Even if it's closed, the links will still work. So I'm reopening it with this comment to make it findable. If the Members want to discuss aspects of RHOCs on exchanges, they have the right to do that here. This is the /Members forum. |
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Making it findable is not a good reason to re-open an issue. If you want it findable, @kitblakke, make links to it. An open issue represents work to be done (even if just answering a question). As documented in CONTRIBUTING, an open issue in this repository represents work we intend to do, as part of the bounty program, sponsored by the co-op. So it's a contradiction to say that discussion here is not supported by the co-op. Speaking of links to this issue and of other directors, the link to this issue from the the FAQ was approved by Ed Keyholt Aug 19 in rchain/reference#7 and merged by him in 2fb0410. He was a director at the time, wasn't he, @drbloom? Remind me where the directors and counsel have spoken against work such as this? Let's get any inconsistencies cleared up. |
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Also, @kitblake , as to what rights members have, we agreed to give up some rights when we executed the membership agreement:
A member who knowingly acts against advice of co-op council regarding legal issues and the value/status of RHOC would seem to run afoul of that policy. |
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@kitblake, I agree that there is valuable information here, but links to closed GitHub issues work just fine. There is no governance overstep. Nobody is telling members what they can and can't do with their tokens. No decrees or prohibitions have been made. Closing an issue is not censorship. The Co-op's board has made clear that it will not take action to list RHOC on exchanges. Now that HJ is on the board, we have the situation where a director is paying members to act against policy. I trust HJ to work this out. @lapin7 |
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I will counsel our legal advisor, Evan.
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On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:45 PM, drbloom ***@***.***> wrote:
@kitblake <https://github.com/kitblake>, I agree that there is valuable
information here, but links to closed GitHub issues work just fine. There
is no governance overstep. Nobody is telling members what they can and
can't do with their tokens. No decrees or prohibitions have been made.
Closing an issue is not censorship.
The Co-op's board has made clear that it will not take action to list RHOC
on exchanges. Now that HJ is on the board, we have the situation where a
director is paying members to act against policy. I trust HJ to work this
out. @lapin7 <https://github.com/lapin7>
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I close this issue #29 because of my organizational position. That doesn't stop somebody else from opening it in a new issue ;-) |
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To follow up with @dckc: taking your commentary into account, in the Members meeting we made a consensual decision to close this issue. Coincidentally, in the Debrief meeting that followed, the RHOCs on exchanges issue came up and Ed and Greg cleared up inconsistencies (and we still all agree that setting a bounty on the issue is a bad idea). |
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Issue #29 is closed. Until now no bounties have been paid for this issue.
In November nothing will be paid for issue #29. So we are still clean on
this :-)
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To follow up with @dckc <https://github.com/dckc>: taking your commentary
into account, in the Members meeting we made a consensual decision to close
this issue.
Coincidentally, in the Debrief meeting that followed, the RHOCs on
exchanges issue came up and Ed and Greg cleared up inconsistencies (and we
still all agree that setting a bounty on the issue is a bad idea).
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RHOC is visible on infoproviders about exchanges:
RHOC on current exchanges:
RHOC needs to be on these exchanges:
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