Safe memcpy for slices ([T]::copy_from_slice)

[strega-nil]

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[Aatch]

Looks good to me. I'd personally prefer only panicking on src.len() > dst.len() but slicing dst to the appropriate length isn't difficult, so I don't feel strongly about it.

[bluss]

I think it's a good call to have a free function for std::slice::copy(src, dst), the two parameters have equal importance.

[strega-nil]

@Aatch I also don't feel too strongly about this, but the current design does make this specific use nice:

// let src: &[T];
let mut dst: [T; N] = unsafe { std::mem::uninitialized() };
std::slice::copy(src, &mut dst); // You know that dst is fully initialized from here on

[Dr-Emann]

As a note, dlang has special syntax for set and copy, and it only allows arrays of equal size.

e.g.

auto x = new int[10];
auto y = new int[11];
x[] = 5; // fill x with 5's
y[] = x[]; // Array lengths don't match for copy: 10 != 11

[eddyb]

They could be methods on slices, not necessarily free functions.

[Amanieu]

I think fill would be a better name than set. This matches the C++ std::fill function which fills a range with copies of a single.

[eddyb]

@Amanieu I definitely prefer xs.fill(x). Not sure if there are actual issues around adding methods to slice types.

[strega-nil]

@eddyb @Amanieu I don't think there are issues around adding methods to slice types, but I don't personally like having these functions as methods. These feel "right" as free functions (at least, copy does). I can see set as a method called fill however.

Although, perhaps fill would be better as a method for Clone types. This is meant to be lowered to a memset in most cases, or something similar.

[eddyb]

@ubsan Keep in mind that the main reason for std::slice and std::str (and all of the modules for integers and floats, but I digress) is that once upon a time, there were no inherent impls for primitives, so you had to choose between free functions and traits.
And free functions won for a long time.

I can see how copy looks cleaner as a free function, but I think assignment syntax is optimal there.

[strega-nil]

@eddyb true, for set. I think I'll change the RFC to be fn set -> fn [T]::fill. I still think copy looks better as a free function, however.

[Manishearth]

Could this cause issue when T contains &U? We have to be careful to avoid lifetime lengthening. But I guess variance will fix it.

[Manishearth]

Note that free functions are harder to discover doc-wise. The general rust community seems to avoid them in code; though I'm not certain of this.

[strega-nil]

@Manishearth copy, imho, is better as a free function. copy_from and copy_to are both valid ways of writing copy as a method, and are both fairly ugly to write in regular code, imo.

slice.copy(slice2); // which is src? which is dst?
slice.copy_to(slice2); // okay, it's obvious here, but it's kind of ugly
slice.copy_from(slice2); // same as ^
std::slice::copy(slice, slice2); // nice! also, a connection to std::ptr::copy_nonoverlapping here.

[Manishearth]

I think copy_to or copy_from are better (I like copy_to better of these, but not for any real reason). They're clearer, don't obfuscate the src/dst, and are methods instead of free fns. copy(src, dst) will invariably have you looking up the docs all the time. The &[T]/&mut [T] distinction helps, but in case both happen to be mutable you're stuck again.

[jFransham]

@ubsan equally to your first example:

std::slice::copy(slice, slice2); // which is src? which is dst?

I think this is what @Manishearth was talking about when he mentioned looking up the docs. It's obvious if you've used memcpy for years but for people new to systems programming it will be confusing.

[Manishearth]

It's obvious if you've used memcpy for years

Not even that, because that convention isn't uniformly followed across programming languages. I think even rust had a deliberately "backwards" memcpy ordering in the past (I think it got fixed in the rush for 1.0 or something)

[tomjakubowski]

@ubsan equally to your first example:

std::slice::copy(slice, slice2); // which is src? which is dst?

I think this is what @Manishearth was talking about when he mentioned looking up the docs. It's obvious if you've used memcpy for years but for people new to systems programming it will be confusing.

The order proposed in the RFC is the opposite of memcpy's, in fact:

void *memcpy(void *restrict dst, const void *restrict src, size_t n);

Anyway, in many cases the Rust would look more like:

std::slice::copy(&slice, &mut slice2);

which makes it pretty clear which argument is source and which is destination.

[tomjakubowski]

it might be worth mentioning how the behavior is defined :)

[strega-nil]

"defined" meaning "will not exhibit undefined behavior". :P

[strega-nil]

@Manishearth @tomjakubowski I polled some people in the rust community, and it seems that generally people don't like my free functions, and they've convinced me, so I've decided to switch to methods. This also means that I've switched to the name copy_from. Is there anything else that you see?

[Amanieu]

Some alternatives that might be worth considering:

1. Allow direct assignment of slices with the same panic semantics as the proposed copy function:

a[..] = b[..];

This is currently disallowed because [T] is an unsized type.

2. Make fill an iterator method. This would allow it to be used on any collection type instead of just slices. This method would only be available when Iter::Item is &mut T.

3. Allow any Clone type for copy and fill instead of only Copy types. This would make the functions more useful for generic code.

4. Maybe consider the general concept of copying data from one iterator to another. This would allow values to be modified prior to copying by using map for example:

iter::copy(b.iter(), a.iter_mut());
iter::copy(b.iter().map(|x| x * 2), a.iter_mut());

The downside is that this might be getting too generic, and it wouldn't make sense to have the proposed panic semantics when the iterator lengths don't match.

[Manishearth]

As far as iterators go there's not much value (relatively) there because you can write this as a function already.

The reason this RfC is important is that currently there's no way to copy/fill slices in safe Rust efficiently. You have to use a for loop and hope the optimizer magicks it. This RfC provides a way to do that. For iterators, a one-line for loop just works and can't be optimized further, so there's much less value there.

[Manishearth]

@ubsan mostly looks good, 👍 for this rfc.

Small nit: Perhaps fill() should also have a descriptive name (fill_from in its current form)?

[strega-nil]

@Manishearth Hmm, I can see your argument... I do like @eddyb's suggestion of fill_with. Are there any other suggestions?

[bluss]

The naive version of the "clone_from_slice" loop produces terrible code and the naive fill loop produces good code. It's good that we have clone_from_slice so that the right way to tickle llvm for an optimized copying is abstracted out into a method. I don't think the pragmatic argument is the only one for clone_from_slice though.

I think .fill(x) is a nice API, but it's not as important as .copy_from().

[strega-nil]

Agreed, it isn't as important. The only reason I also added fill is because memset and memcpy kinda go together. copy_from is the important part of this RFC.

[alexcrichton]

In the case that fill was a bit of an addition, perhaps that API can be left to its own RFC? (or perhaps an RFC issue for now) It sounds like there's some outstanding questions around it and otherwise copy_from seems fine modulo naming.

[strega-nil]

@alexcrichton I would be fine with that. I don't personally see any pressing need for it, and no one else seems to see any pressing need for it.

[strega-nil]

Yeah, I'm taking out [T]::fill. It can be decided upon later. The important part of this RFC is [T]::copy_from.

[BurntSushi]

👍 to this RFC. Guaranteed memcpy is good. I do also think it should be named copy_from_slice to be consistent with clone_from_slice.

[alexcrichton]

🔔 This RFC is now entering its week-long final comment period 🔔

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My personal opinion is that this is good to go with the name copy_from_slice, the semantics all seem good to me though!

[strega-nil]

@alexcrichton I don't personally like the name, because it's a very common function (at least in my personal code) to have such a long name. However, I do see the benefit of it in terms of consistency, so I am not opposed to it. I'd just prefer a shorter name.

[bluss]

Let's get this in. Thanks for pushing it @ubsan (and I like your new avatar).

Using this to replace most uses of clone_from_slice in rustc and libstd will improve performance for debug builds by using memcpy directly, so we benefit immediately.

[strega-nil]

@bluss thanks :) I needed a new avatar very badly...

Yeah, I will be interested in io::Write performance on Debug (I think it uses clone_from_slice currently).

[aturon]

A couple thoughts:

• To clarify some points that @bluss made: the compiler and lang teams were against using a compiler hack to do custom specialization for clone_from_slice. But the possibility of doing so through specialization proper is definitely open (and specialization is likely to land in the near future).
  • The main question in actually specializing clone_from_slice for Copy data is the divergence currently possible -- the fact that you can write custom Clone impls for Copy data. This was necessary for various reasons, and would be difficult to change backwards-compatibly. But we could viably consider this a contract violation, and still give clone_from_slice memcpy semantics on Copy data.
• On the other hand, there is perhaps some value to having a separate method which is purely a safe memcpy, and in particular asserts the Copy-ness of the data -- even if we also specialize clone_from_slice. I personally could go either way on that question.
• Finally, I agree with the general sentiment that the name of this method should match the idiom for clone_from_slice, which was recently stabilized.

[alexcrichton]

The libs team discussed this RFC during triage yesterday, and the conclusion was to merge this RFC. We discussed the possibility of having clone_from_slice guarantee the same semantics as copy_from_slice here if T is Copy (disregarding possible diverging implementations of copy/clone), but our conclusion was that even if we had that behavior we would still want to have copy_from_slice. This method is a good static assertion that the operation is indeed a memcpy and we're also not sure how comfortable we would be relying on specialization for semantics like that.

Anyway, I shall merge soon. Thanks again for the RFC @ubsan!

[ghost]

FWIW at this point, I'd most definitely prefer the shorter name copy_from despite inconsistency with clone_from_slice.