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Categories over base ring like Algebras(QQ) have been a regular
source of issues. A series of tickets culminating in #15801 improved
quite some the situation. Yet #15475, #20896, #20469 show that this is
not the end.
In this ticket, we explore a plan first proposed at #20896 comment:3.
Issue analysis
The issue in #20896 is that, by design, A3=Algebras(GF(3)) and A5=Algebras(GF(5)) share the same element/parent/... classes.
However the MRO for such classes is built to be consistent with a
total order on categories, and that total order is built dynamically
using little context; so hard to keep consistent. Hence the order we
get for A3 and A5 need not be the same, and the MRO basically depends
on which one has been built first. If one builds alternatively larger
and larger hierarchies for GF(5) and GF(3) we are likely to hit an
inconsistency at some point.
Aim: toward singleton categories
This, together with other stuff I do (e.g. [1]) with colleagues from
other systems (GAP, MMT, ...), finished to convince me that most of
our categories should really be singleton categories, and not be
parametrized.
Let's see what this means for categories over a ring like Algebras. I originally followed the tradition of Axiom and MuPAD by
having them be systematically parametrized by the base ring. However
the series of issues we faced and are still facing shows that this
does not scale.
Instead, to provide generic code, tests, ... we want a collection of
singleton categories like:
modules over rings
vector spaces (e.g. modules over fields)
polyonials over PIDs
After all, the code provided in e.g. ParentMethods will always be
the same, regardless of the parameters of the category (well, that's
not perfectly true; there are in Axiom and MuPAD idioms enabling the
conditional definition of methods depending on the base ring; we could
try to port those idioms over).
Of course, there can be cases, e.g. for typechecking, where it's handy
to model some finer category like Algebras(GF(3)). However such
categories should really be implemented as thin wrappers on top of the
previous ones.
We had already discussed approaches in this direction, in particular
with Simon. #15801 was a first step, but remaing issues show that this
is not enough.
Proposition of design
We keep our current Category_over_base_ring's (Modules, Algebras, HopfAlgebras, ...). However they now are all singleton
categories, meant to be called as:
Modules() -> Modules over rings
Algebras() -> Algebras over rings
Whenever some of the above category needs to be refined depending on
the properties on the base ring, we define some appropriate axiom.
E.g. VectorSpaces() would be Modules().OverFields(). And we could
eventually have categories like Modules().OverPIDs(), Polynomials().OverPIDs().
Now what happens if one calls Algebras(QQ)?
As a syntactical sugar, this returns the join Algebras() & Modules().Over(QQ).
Fine, now what's this latter gadget? It's merely a place holder with two roles:
Store the information that the base ring is QQ
Investigate, upon construction, the properties of the base ring and
set axioms appropriately (e.g. in this case OverFields).
Implementation details
In effect, Modules().Over(QQ) is pretty similar to a category with
axiom. First in terms of syntax; also the handling of pretty
printing will be of the same nature (we want the join Algebras() & Modules().Over(QQ)
to be printed as algebras over QQ).
However, at this stage, we can't implement it directly using axioms
since those are not parametrized. One option would be to generalize
our axiom infrastructure to support parameters; however it's far
from clear that we actually want to have this feature, and how it
should be implemented. So I am inclined to not overengineer for now.
Some care will be needed for subcategory and containment testing.
Pros, cons, points to be discussed
Pros:
Constructing Algebras(QQ) does not require constructing any of the
super categories Modules(QQ) and such. Instead, this just requires Modules(), and the like which most likely have already been
constructed.
There is no more need to fiddle with class creation as we used to
do, and to have this special hack which causes Modules(QQ) to
return VectorSpaces(QQ). This just uses the standard
infrastructure for axioms, joins, etc.
It's more explicit about the level of generality of the
code. Algebras().OverFields() provide codes valid for any algebra
over a field.
This makes it easier for buiding static documentation: there is a
canonical instance for Algebras() which Sphinx could inspect.
Cons:
The hierarchy of axioms OverFields, OverPIDs, ... will somewhat
duplicate the existing hierarchy of axioms about rings. If we start
having many of them, that could become cumbersome.
In a join like Algebras() & ModulesOver(QQ), there is little
control about whether the parent class for the former or the latter
comes first. But that's no different than what happens for other
axioms.
C=Algebras().Over(QQ) should definitely be a full subcategory of Algebras(). But this means that Modules().Over(QQ) won't appear
in C.structure(). The base field won't appear either in C.axioms(). Therefore C cannot be reconstructed from its
structure and axioms as we are generally aiming for. Maybe this is
really calling for Over(QQ) to be an axiom.
This should be relatively quick and straightforward to implement and
fully backward compatible. And we have a lot of tests.
Points to be debated:
At some point, we will want to support semirings. Should we support
them right away by having Modules() be the category of modules
over a semiring? Same thing for Algebras(), ... It feels like
overkill for now, but might be annoying to change later. Also where
does the road end? We may want to support even weaker structures at
some point.
What name for the axioms? OverField, or OverFields?
We want some syntax that, given e.g. QQ as input, returns Algebras().OverFields(). The typical use case is within the
constructor of a parent that takes a base ring K as input, and
wants to use the richest category possible based on the properties
of K, but does not specifically care that K be stored in the
category.
Maybe something like Algebras().Over(QQ, store_base_ring=False).
We want this syntax to be as simple as possible, to encourage using
it whenever there is no specific reason to do otherwise.
What name for the axioms? OverField, or OverFields?
Why not Over(Fields())?
I would love it :-)
And we certainly could implement some idiom:
sage: C = Algebras()
sage: C.Over(Fields())
However, with the current axiom infrastructure, we still need a name for the actual class holding the code for the corresponding category. That name has to be a string.
class Algebras:
class OverFields(CategoryWithAxiom):
class ParentMethods:
....
We could kind of hide this with some mangling (e.g. calling the class _OverFields and using #22965 to have the axiom be printed as Over(Fields())). However, at this stage, this feels like adding one layer of complexity. I'd rather keep things "simple".
Categories over base ring like
Algebras(QQ)
have been a regularsource of issues. A series of tickets culminating in #15801 improved
quite some the situation. Yet #15475, #20896, #20469 show that this is
not the end.
In this ticket, we explore a plan first proposed at
#20896 comment:3.
Issue analysis
The issue in #20896 is that, by design,
A3=Algebras(GF(3))
andA5=Algebras(GF(5))
share the same element/parent/... classes.However the MRO for such classes is built to be consistent with a
total order on categories, and that total order is built dynamically
using little context; so hard to keep consistent. Hence the order we
get for
A3
andA5
need not be the same, and the MRO basically dependson which one has been built first. If one builds alternatively larger
and larger hierarchies for
GF(5)
andGF(3)
we are likely to hit aninconsistency at some point.
Aim: toward singleton categories
This, together with other stuff I do (e.g. [1]) with colleagues from
other systems (GAP, MMT, ...), finished to convince me that most of
our categories should really be singleton categories, and not be
parametrized.
Let's see what this means for categories over a ring like
Algebras
. I originally followed the tradition of Axiom and MuPAD byhaving them be systematically parametrized by the base ring. However
the series of issues we faced and are still facing shows that this
does not scale.
Instead, to provide generic code, tests, ... we want a collection of
singleton categories like:
After all, the code provided in e.g.
ParentMethods
will always bethe same, regardless of the parameters of the category (well, that's
not perfectly true; there are in Axiom and MuPAD idioms enabling the
conditional definition of methods depending on the base ring; we could
try to port those idioms over).
Of course, there can be cases, e.g. for typechecking, where it's handy
to model some finer category like
Algebras(GF(3))
. However suchcategories should really be implemented as thin wrappers on top of the
previous ones.
We had already discussed approaches in this direction, in particular
with Simon. #15801 was a first step, but remaing issues show that this
is not enough.
Proposition of design
We keep our current
Category_over_base_ring
's (Modules
,Algebras
,HopfAlgebras
, ...). However they now are all singletoncategories, meant to be called as:
Modules()
-> Modules over ringsAlgebras()
-> Algebras over ringsWhenever some of the above category needs to be refined depending on
the properties on the base ring, we define some appropriate axiom.
E.g.
VectorSpaces()
would beModules().OverFields()
. And we couldeventually have categories like
Modules().OverPIDs()
,Polynomials().OverPIDs()
.Now what happens if one calls
Algebras(QQ)
?As a syntactical sugar, this returns the join
Algebras() & Modules().Over(QQ)
.Fine, now what's this latter gadget? It's merely a place holder with two roles:
Store the information that the base ring is
QQ
Investigate, upon construction, the properties of the base ring and
set axioms appropriately (e.g. in this case
OverFields
).Implementation details
In effect,
Modules().Over(QQ)
is pretty similar to a category withaxiom. First in terms of syntax; also the handling of pretty
printing will be of the same nature (we want the join
Algebras() & Modules().Over(QQ)
to be printed as
algebras over QQ
).However, at this stage, we can't implement it directly using axioms
since those are not parametrized. One option would be to generalize
our axiom infrastructure to support parameters; however it's far
from clear that we actually want to have this feature, and how it
should be implemented. So I am inclined to not overengineer for now.
Some care will be needed for subcategory and containment testing.
Pros, cons, points to be discussed
Pros:
Constructing
Algebras(QQ)
does not require constructing any of thesuper categories
Modules(QQ)
and such. Instead, this just requiresModules()
, and the like which most likely have already beenconstructed.
There is no more need to fiddle with class creation as we used to
do, and to have this special hack which causes
Modules(QQ)
toreturn
VectorSpaces(QQ)
. This just uses the standardinfrastructure for axioms, joins, etc.
It's more explicit about the level of generality of the
code.
Algebras().OverFields()
provide codes valid for any algebraover a field.
This makes it easier for buiding static documentation: there is a
canonical instance for
Algebras()
which Sphinx could inspect.Cons:
The hierarchy of axioms OverFields, OverPIDs, ... will somewhat
duplicate the existing hierarchy of axioms about rings. If we start
having many of them, that could become cumbersome.
In a join like
Algebras() & ModulesOver(QQ)
, there is littlecontrol about whether the parent class for the former or the latter
comes first. But that's no different than what happens for other
axioms.
C=Algebras().Over(QQ)
should definitely be a full subcategory ofAlgebras()
. But this means thatModules().Over(QQ)
won't appearin
C.structure()
. The base field won't appear either inC.axioms()
. ThereforeC
cannot be reconstructed from itsstructure and axioms as we are generally aiming for. Maybe this is
really calling for
Over(QQ)
to be an axiom.This should be relatively quick and straightforward to implement and
fully backward compatible. And we have a lot of tests.
Points to be debated:
At some point, we will want to support semirings. Should we support
them right away by having
Modules()
be the category of modulesover a semiring? Same thing for
Algebras()
, ... It feels likeoverkill for now, but might be annoying to change later. Also where
does the road end? We may want to support even weaker structures at
some point.
What name for the axioms?
OverField
, orOverFields
?We want some syntax that, given e.g.
QQ
as input, returnsAlgebras().OverFields()
. The typical use case is within theconstructor of a parent that takes a base ring
K
as input, andwants to use the richest category possible based on the properties
of
K
, but does not specifically care thatK
be stored in thecategory.
Maybe something like
Algebras().Over(QQ, store_base_ring=False)
.We want this syntax to be as simple as possible, to encourage using
it whenever there is no specific reason to do otherwise.
[1] https://github.com/nthiery/sage-gap-semantic-interface
CC: @tscrim @simon-king-jena
Component: categories
Issue created by migration from https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/22962
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