Bike Parking: Floor Markings

[grafst]

Use case
Some of the Bicycle Parkings in my City are just markings on the ground, like this:

There is currently no such option in streetcomplete.

Proposed Solution

I think it would be tagged as
bicycle_parking=floor

I could make a PR if this something desired.

[westnordost]

You are sure that this isn't a parking space for bike rental instead?

Only rental bikes park there. Is it illegal to park your car wherever (it isn't in the way) in Switzerland?

[grafst]

It is just an example picture i grabbed from google. I can take a real one later.

[matkoniecz]

Is such type really common? From what I remember it was one of rare parking types when I implemented it but maybe it is getting more common

[mnalis]

Taginfo says it is only used 0.46% as the bicycle parking type worldwide (although that is more than 2000 uses).

There is always an option of leaving a note in Other answers / Can't say if it is one of less popular values.

I can take a real one later.

That would be good in any case @grafst , as the picture on the wiki also seems to be of rental bike parking unless I'm mistaken.

[westnordost]

Alright, I would say that the kind of bike parking is rare enough that if one encounters such a bike parking, one can just leave a note instead. Adding a proper picture to the wiki would be really helpful in any case.

[BalooUriza]

I know of several marked bicycle parking spaces including at least two that are explicitly reserved for the physically disabled.

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[mnalis]

I know of several marked bicycle parking spaces including at least two that are explicitly reserved for the physically disabled.

Could you share pictures, @BalooUriza? I'm somewhat confused if you're talking about places reserved only for physically disabled bicycle drivers (?) or about spaces which are shared between regular bicycle parkings and parking for cars belonging for disabled persons, or something else?

[BalooUriza]

Sure thing! https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7967019159 looks like https://social.tulsa.ok.us/@BalooUriza/111247250984896076

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[mnalis]

Thanks @BalooUriza, so it is for parking vehicles like those: https://www.bikeabilitywales.org.uk/wp-content/gallery/cycles-lined-up/Wheelchair-cycles.jpg and https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/88/cf/2388cf65364465de971d1b2b2222faa2.png ?

The former picture looks like cargo bicycles able to transport wheelchair user as "cargo" (i.e. requires additional able-bodied driver); but the latter one looks like wheelchair user can drive it by themselves and detach wheelchair from bike at destination (and presumably park non-wheelchair part of the vehicle at the parking space as you show in that Fediverse post)?

Do you know how would those parkings be marked in OSM? And how popular are they (most less-popular types of parking are left to "Leave note" functionality, as mentioned above in #5191 (comment))

[westnordost]

I've seen plenty of "floor markings" bike parkings in Basel, e.g.

https://www.google.de/maps/@47.5589134,7.6007589,3a,75y,355.29h,63.58t
/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sP8SvMWy5mC7b7OBMOjfxRg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i28?entry=ttu

https://www.google.de/maps/@47.5588099,7.6018259,3a,64y,189.52h,75.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT1U1UYO2wUMONcDFWmyKbQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?entry=ttu

, apparently used by anything with two wheels. There are also these bike parking areas with some bicycle stands sprinkled in-between, so you got something like 25% of bikes parked at stands, the rest just in that area. Anyway,, seems to be a Swiss thing.

[grafst]

Here finally the promised picture:

[westnordost]

Could someone make a fitting picture of such a bike parking?

The current pictures on the wiki are not that good because on one, you almost do not see the markings, on the other, you only see rental-bikes. Note that the bike parking is shown in a relatively small rectangle on the screen. So what we need would be a picture that clearly shows a a marked area for bicycles. If there are too many bicycles parked, it may obscure the bicycle marking. Just bicycles standing in a differently-paved area could be misunderstood as bicycle_parking=informal.

[westnordost]

ping

[westnordost]

ping

[mnalis]

Here finally the promised picture:

@grafst unfortunately, your picture does not seem to have any markings on the floor that would clearly indicate that those spaces are specifically intended for parking of bicycles (instead of e.g. cars or motorbikes or whatever). Do you or @BalooUriza (or someone else?) can take a pictures of such place which would:

• be clearly marked as parking for bicycles by markings on the floor
• lack any stands, wheelbenders, boxes or any other physical infrastructure for locking the bicycle to
• not being primarily intended / used for rental bikes (like picture on the wiki seems to unfortunately be).

Ideally, the picture would show no rental-branded bicycles/scooters, but a one or two regular bicycles, while still clearly showing that it only has bicycle parking markings on the floor.

(Croatia is however quite lacking in such parkings (at least I don't recall ever seeing one), so I cannot really take such picture myself.)

[westnordost]

I asked for help in the forum: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/wanted-ein-reprasentatives-foto-fur-fahrradparkplatze-die-nur-markierungen-sind/111526

[gdabski]

I have one like this, but it lacks any parked bicycles.

[westnordost]

It's a good example picture for the wiki. But I fear on a thumbnail-sized picture, almost nothing would be discernible.