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Make EOC available in the DB #1100
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I think it would be useful to clarify how the issue of writing only EOC isotopics to the DB is related to having time advancement be on the operator itself. To me, those seem like related but different issues. From your description I don't quite understand how you think that the operator issue will resolve the DB issue. You might have something in mind that I'm just not understanding... |
@keckler, you are right ,its really 2 issues.
I tried to clarify above |
Another issue with this, aside from the isotopics at the last time node being irretrievable, is that the results written to the last DB node are misleading. For instance, the last DB node will look just like any other, so it will have keff. But that keff doesn't actually correspond to the isotopics that are written to the same DB node, because that last node would have extra decay time in there in comparison to when the value of keff was actually calculated. So if a user were to load up the isotopics from the DB and recalculate keff, they'd get a (potentially very) different answer. I would imagine that to be very confusing to a user who doesn't understand this quirk. One thing which might offer a path forward is the fact that, for a given assembly, So if we were to deplete the assemblies for the end-of-cycle-decay at the I think this could work even with shuffling taking place at This would require the restart logic to be slightly modified to correctly handle restarts at different time nodes. Not sure this is the BEST solution, but it seems like some sort of viable option. |
Okay, we just had a meeting about this ticket. A big take-away from the meeting is (in the example above) we want to write the "0,3" time step along with the "EOC" time step to the Database. The presumed best path forward with this would be to just add "more stuff" to the Database, not remove the "EOC" that is there now. (And don't include both if they are exactly the same time.) |
That's an interesting point. |
This ticket is linked to be closed by #1090 , but it actually was documenting two problems:
Only (2) will be closed by the linked PR. Can we get another ticket opened to track (1)? |
Here is a table for an example simulation with three 30-day depletion steps and a 10 day outage. Providing this as an initial strawman... see discussion below for why it is this way currently:
The first question is, Why is there no write at 0,3, but instead there is a write at EOC? This is so we can do restart runs from the end of a cycle. if you loaded from the data at 0,3 instead of EOC you and started the next cycle you would miss the decay step and the problem you would have run would diverge from the original by the decay step since currently when you load from 0,2 it jumps right into interact BOC for the next cycle (cycle 1 (1,0) ) rather than EOC from 0,2.
What's bad about this? If you want to retrieve the isotope distribution from 0,3 its not retrievable. only EOC is retrievable. Snapshot runs are much more interested in the 0,3 data than the EOC data. So the fundamental problem is the restarts want the EOC data but snapshots want the 0,3 data. We could potentially solve this by writing the 0,3 data instead of EOC and having restart run interact EOC when its restarting from the last node. I'm sure there are other solutions out there too such as redefining when the outage occurs... maybe it could be the first thing in a cycle and that might solve the misMatch, but its not super clear to me.
One solution that I discourage is writing both 0,3 AND EOC since this will increase the database size by a factor of ~1.25 (5/4) and haver very little valuable additional info. (was investigated here #1090 )
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