Conflicting VoiceOver test results: "Close a modal dialog" (Modal Dialog Example, Test 6, V24.05.09)

[IsaDC]

Description of Behavior

This is similar to the behavior where VoiceOver unnecessarily conveys the main landmark. We discussed this in the Link Test Plan, so my suggestion would be to resolve this conflict in the same way for consistency.

Test Setup

• Test File: test-06-closeModalDialog-voiceover_macos.collected.html
• AT: VoiceOver for macOS (Version 14.4.1)
• Browser: Safari (Version 17)

Review Conflicts for "Close a modal dialog"

1. Unexpected Behaviors for "Escape" Command

   • Tester IsaDC recorded output "Add Delivery Address button main You are currently on a button. To click this button, press Control-Option-Space." and noted "Output is excessively verbose, e.g., includes redundant and/or irrelevant speech (Details: VoiceOver unnecessary conveys the main landmark., Impact: MODERATE)".
   • Tester jha11y recorded output "Add Delivery Address button main You are currently on a button. To click this button, press Control-Option-Space." and noted no unexpected behavior.

2. Unexpected Behaviors for "Control+Option+Space" Command

   • Tester IsaDC recorded output " Add Delivery Address button main You are currently on a button. To click this button, press Control-Option-Space." and noted "Output is excessively verbose, e.g., includes redundant and/or irrelevant speech (Details: VoiceOver unnecessary conveys the main landmark., Impact: MODERATE)".
   • Tester jha11y recorded output "Add Delivery Address button main You are currently on a button. To click this button, press Control-Option-Space." and noted no unexpected behavior.

3. Unexpected Behaviors for "Space" Command

   • Tester IsaDC recorded output " Add Delivery Address button main You are currently on a button. To click this button, press Control-Option-Space." and noted "Output is excessively verbose, e.g., includes redundant and/or irrelevant speech (Details: VoiceOver unnecessary conveys the main landmark., Impact: MODERATE)".
   • Tester jha11y recorded output "Add Delivery Address button main You are currently on a button. To click this button, press Control-Option-Space." and noted no unexpected behavior.

4. Unexpected Behaviors for "Enter" Command

   • Tester IsaDC recorded output " Add Delivery Address button main You are currently on a button. To click this button, press Control-Option-Space." and noted "Output is excessively verbose, e.g., includes redundant and/or irrelevant speech (Details: VoiceOver unnecessary conveys the main landmark., Impact: MODERATE)".
   • Tester jha11y recorded output "Add Delivery Address button main You are currently on a button. To click this button, press Control-Option-Space." and noted no unexpected behavior.

[css-meeting-bot]

The ARIA-AT Community Group just discussed Issue 1071.

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<jugglinmike> Subtopic: Issue 1071
<jugglinmike> github: https://github.com//issues/1071
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: We close the dialog, and VoiceOver exhibits the same issue we saw with Link
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: the cursor is not at the bottom of the "main" landmark
<jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: I feel it's valid to say "main" because you are traveling back into the main landmark
<jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: That's why I put "no unexpected behaviors"
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: It is a tiny bit overly verbose to me, but I understand why it's acceptable
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: every screen reader is a little different in when they announce whenever you jump over a landmark boundary
<jugglinmike> Joes_Humbert: we could treat this as present but not a problem, or we could interpret it as "overly verbose" (like we did with Link)
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: Based on Joe_Humbert's logic, it doesn't seem invalid
<jugglinmike> murray_moss: It sounds verbose to me, but not incorrect. I also recognize that the additional verbosity can be helpful for students
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: as long as excess verbosity is not problematic, then we don't classify it as a problem
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I think in this case, we probably don't want to do that
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: I think it's unnecessary, but I can change my results to match Joe_Humbert's
<jugglinmike> s/Joes_Humbert/Joe_Humbert/
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: The difference between "annoying" and plain "wrong" crosses an editorial line for us here
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: Let's go with IsaDC changing her results

[mcking65]

@IsaDC

I think we can close this based on discussion in May 22 meeting.

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The ARIA-AT Community Group just discussed Conflicting VoiceOver test results: "Close a modal dialog" (Modal Dialog Example, Test 6, V24.05.09) · Issue #1071 · w3c/aria-at.

The full IRC log of that discussion

<jugglinmike> Subtopic: Conflicting VoiceOver test results: "Close a modal dialog" (Modal Dialog Example, Test 6, V24.05.09) · Issue #1071 · w3c/aria-at
<jugglinmike> github: https://github.com//issues/1071
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I think we may be ready to close this
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: There was a discussion about whether or not it should say "main"
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: We discussed this last time
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: That's right, and I modified my results
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: Great; I'll close the issue