Conflicting VoiceOver test results: "Navigate to the top of a modal dialog" (Modal Dialog Example, Test 5, V24.05.09)

[IsaDC]

Description of Behavior

See results below.

Test Setup

• Test File: test-14-navToBeginningModalDialog-voiceover_macos.collected.html
• AT: VoiceOver for macOS (Version 14.4.1)
• Browser: Safari (Version 17)

Review Conflicts for "Navigate to the top of a modal dialog"

1. Unexpected Behaviors for "Control+Option+Home" Command

   • Tester IsaDC recorded output " Add button" and noted "Other (Details: Cursor did not move from its initial position., Impact: SEVERE)".
   • Tester jha11y recorded output "Add button" and noted no unexpected behavior.

[css-meeting-bot]

The ARIA-AT Community Group just discussed Issue 1072.

The full IRC log of that discussion

<jugglinmike> subtopic: Issue 1072
<jugglinmike> github: https://github.com//issues/1072
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: The sequence number we get from the app when raising an issue is wrong
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: So we have a bug in our issue-raising button
<jugglinmike> howard-e: I can log that bug. I have a theory for what's going wrong, as well
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: So it's not test number 14. It's the test for going to the top of the dialog
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: It's actually test number 5
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'll edit the title of the issue
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: VoiceOver's cursor's doesn't move to the top of the dialog
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: If I remember correctly, it stays at the "add" button
<jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: That matches my experience
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: I reported the "additional undesirable behavior" of "other"
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I think that's the right thing to do here because it's essentially the lack of a desirable behavior
<jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: I didn't know how to report it
<jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: This would effect test number 6 as well because it's a similar result
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: Do we have the right command?
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: Yes, we do
<jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: Yes. I checked because it seemed as though it wasn't doing anything
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I think IsaDC's result is correct: this is a severe interoperability problem, and we should report it as a side-effect
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I almost think we should modify the test to more precisely verify this
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I don't want to put a failure in front of Apple if that failure is just a result of a dependency on a different bug
<jugglinmike> murray_moss: Are folks using an extended keyboard that has a "home" key?
<jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: I plug in an external keyboard that has a physical "Home" key
<jugglinmike> murray_moss: I tried to do this with a non-extended keyboarding using "Fn" and "Left Arrow", and I got the command to work
<jugglinmike> murray_moss: I'm using 14.5
<jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: I was on 14.4.1

[IsaDC]

I tested the command suggested by Murray (VO+Home+Shift) on macOS 14.5. While it works on the main page, it does not work on the example.
CC @mcking65 @jha11y

[css-meeting-bot]

The ARIA-AT Community Group just discussed Conflicting VoiceOver test results: "Navigate to the top of a modal dialog" (Modal Dialog Example, Test 14, V24.05.09) · Issue #1072 · w3c/aria-at.

The full IRC log of that discussion

<jugglinmike> Subtopic: Conflicting VoiceOver test results: "Navigate to the top of a modal dialog" (Modal Dialog Example, Test 14, V24.05.09) · Issue #1072 · w3c/aria-at
<jugglinmike> github: https://github.com//issues/1072
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: This is another VoiceOver conflict
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: We are fixing this. I didn't advance the test plan yet
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I don't think we needed test plan changes for this one
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: the conflict was: how should we record the fact that the cursor didn't move?
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: I believe the resolution was that we were going to modify Joe's results
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: It looks like Joe did that because the app no longer reports conflicts
<jugglinmike> IsaDC: That's right. Now, there's only the issue about bumping
<jugglinmike> Matt_King: Bumping was a separate issue at the top of issue #1079 (we were summarizing everything related to dialog)