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TTWG Meeting 2018-12-20 #9
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Regrets from Gary. |
Timed Text Working Group Teleconference20 Dec 2018Attendees
Contents
This MeetingNigel: Welcome everyone to this the last TTWG call this calendar year! Andreas: I would like to discuss how we handle requirements submissions coming from non-members of the TTWG, as Nigel: Yes, thank you, let's do that. Andreas: What is this triage process? Nigel: I mean how we will make an initial assessment of the requirements and if there is anything that we wish to Andreas: Thank you! Glenn: I have one point on the profile document. Nigel: OK I'll come to you when we get to the profile document agenda item. Andreas: One more, about the scheduling of the call and the length of 2 hours. Nigel: For AOB? Andreas: Yes if you like, where it fits best. It should be handled when everyone is still on the call. Nigel: OK TTML Profile RegistryNigel: Glenn, you wanted to raise a point here? Glenn: Yes, just one short one. There's a pull request that's been outstanding for quite some time re Nigel: Did you update that as discussed last week? Glenn: Yes, and I sent you a message asking for your review. Nigel: That's strange, I didn't see that, apologies, I don't know why. Glenn: I sent both an email and a message on the pull request. Nigel: That's worrying, thanks for telling me, I hope I haven't missed anything else! I will take a look at it. Glenn: It was 7 days ago, I added you as a reviewer, maybe I didn't send an explicit email. Nigel: Ok not to worry, I will look at it, and obviously everyone can too. Glenn: No, I have some more coming after that is applied. TTWG Future RequirementsNigel: Today is the last day we said we would accept new incoming requirements, Discussion about group communication with external participants removed from the public minutes Nigel: Moving on, some points about the requirements issues. Glenn: I think we should not go to process here and just deal with each on a case by case basis. Nigel: Thanks Glenn, anyone else? group: [silence] Nigel: Okay it looks like we won't be doing this, but will leave it for each requirement issue to add as much relevant group: [silence] Nigel: Ok then I'll move off this agenda topic. Cyril: Sorry I was talking and just realised I was muted. Nigel: Okay, thanks for that. Cyril: No! [agreeing] AOBNigel: I had one item of AOB and so did Andreas. Andreas: Yes, I don't know since then, but the meetings are always scheduled for 2 hours which blocks everyone's Cyril: Agree with you! Nigel: I'm happy to make it 1 hour except by exception. Cyril: Yes, and make it the 2nd hour if possible. Nigel: That may be more contentious, I'm happy to take views and do either. Andreas: It would be fine for me. Pierre: I'm happy either way, I've built this early call in my schedule. Glenn: I'm neutral. I may be spending more time in GMT+8 in which case the 2nd hour is worse than the first. Nigel: Okay we have 2 members on GMT-8 now, one on GMT, one on GMT+1 and one who may move to GMT+8. Cyril: I suggest we start with the second hour and when Glenn moves to GMT+8 then we can move back to the first Glenn: That's fine with me. Nigel: OK I think we have consensus. Cyril: One way to make the meetings more efficient would be to make the Chair and the scribe different people. Nigel: That would be very welcome. Cyril: I will volunteer to start doing this in January. I could not do it at the current time, but an hour later is fine. Nigel: Thanks for that. Cyril: It's not going to be as perfectly scribed as you do! Nigel: Now you're just being nice to me. AOB 2Nigel: One other item of AOB is that I've been made aware of an ITU document, ITU-R BT.2342-1, Pierre: Are you asking for help to write that submission, or do you think W3C should or are you encouraging other Nigel: Multiple questions there! Pierre: How critical is it to modify this document? Nigel: I think it's important that ITU doesn't have a current version of a document that is significantly out of date because Nigel: submission in January or February then it will be reviewed in an April ITU meeting which coincidentally happens to be Pierre: https://www.itu.int/pub/R-REP-BT.2342-1-2018 Pierre: I don't know why it says it is superseded. Nigel: An update was agreed in October. Pierre: That's fascinating! Who knew... Cyril: They talk about Ruby, vertical writing. Pierre: When are the submissions due? Nigel: I think March or April Andreas: I can also check on the process, I think an ITU colleague is handling the study group where this is handled. Pierre: This group could come up with a submission that would inspire individual bodies to make a submission. Nigel: I don't think we need the same submission from multiple national bodies. Pierre: If you want to take a first stab I am happy to review it, regardless of who submits it. Nigel: Okay, great, thank you. Pierre: I'm happy to contribute in the spirit of getting the right information published. Glenn: I notice that ARIB is featured very prominently so that gives me a hint it is coming out of ARIB. It is dated Nigel: Thanks all, that's really useful. Any further information would be welcome. Meeting closeNigel: Thanks everyone, we've completed our agenda for today. Andreas: Thank you Nigel, best wishes. Pierre: Best wishes for the holidays and the new year. Cyril: Best wishes. Bye! Summary of Action ItemsSummary of Resolutions[End of minutes] |
This will be the last meeting of the year, the next meeting will be on 10th January 2019.
Time
This meeting is scheduled for up to 120 minutes.
Please be ready for a prompt start at 15:03am UTC time.
Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to UTC Time, the correct time of this teleconference in your locale may change.
Check https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181220T15&p1=1440
Thursdays 15:03am-17:00pm UTC
Joining details:
see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html
(members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact me)
Agenda+ Assign Roles
Chairs: Nigel Megitt
Scribe: usually Nigel – open to offers!
Regrets: Thierry (@tmichel07)
Agenda+ This meeting
Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering:
1. Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead
2. TTML Profile Registry Actions, Pull Requests and Issues
3. TTWG Future requirements
4. Joint f2f meeting with EBU Timed Text, Feb 1 2019
5. CSS Actions Review
6. WebVTT (David Singer to Chair if present)
7. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now!
Reminder re future milestones and meetings:
December meetings:
Thursday 27th December: No meeting
Further ahead:
Thursday 3rd January: No meeting
Thursday 10th January: #11 TTWG meeting ? Hour(s)
Thursday 17th January: #12 TTWG meeting ? Hour(s)
Thursday 24th January: #13 TTWG meeting ? Hour(s)
Thursday 31st January: #14 TTWG face to face meeting, EBU, Geneva
Friday 1st February, morning: #15 TTWG joint face to face meeting with EBU Timed Text, EBU, Geneva
Activity since last meeting:
See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products
Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.
Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!
Agenda+ TTML Profile Registry
Recent Activity
2 Pull requests merged by 2 people
Merged w3c/tt-profile-registry#48 Fix the media type in the abstract 5 days ago
Merged w3c/tt-profile-registry#47 Add reference to IMSC 1.0.1
2 Issues closed by 1 person
Closed w3c/tt-profile-registry#37 MIME type in Abstract is wrong 5 days ago
Closed w3c/tt-profile-registry#41 Update ref to IMSC 1 to point to 1.0.1
Pull requests for review (to discuss if requested)
Pull requests open for longer than that:
w3c/tt-profile-registry#50 Fix #42 and #43
w3c/tt-profile-registry#54 Reorder tables alphabetically (#51).
No issues created over the past week.
No issues or pull requests currently marked for the agenda.
Links
TTML Profile Registry issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/labels/agenda :
TTML Profile Registry editor's draft: https://w3c.github.io/tt-profile-registry/
TTML Profile Registry repository: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry
Agenda+ TTWG Future Requirements
Links
TTWG Requirements repo: https://github.com/w3c/tt-reqs
Recent Activity
No Issues created or closed, no pull requests merged.
Pull requests for review (to discuss if requested)
No pull requests currently open.
No issues or pull requests currently marked for the agenda.
Links
TTWG Requirements issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tt-reqs/labels/agenda
Agenda+ Joint f2f meeting with EBU Timed Text, Jan 2019
State of planning, topics for agenda.
Wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/F2F-jan-2019
Agenda+ CSS actions review
Notes from previous discussions etc:
Response to Elika's email of 4th October at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2018Oct/0011.html
#####Do the updates to CSS Text address the requirements we put forward for presentation of subtitles and captions?
For reference, we have the following CSS issues open:
w3c/csswg-drafts#1975 [css-sizing][css-align][css-text] Aligning an aligned block of text within its container
w3c/csswg-drafts#1974 [css-inline] Allow background of an inline area to extend to before-and after-edges of the line area
w3c/csswg-drafts#1973 [css-inline][css-text-4] Allow padding to be applied at line start and end
w3c/csswg-drafts#2983 Support for shearing of lines and inline elements
Additionally the following CSS issues may be of interest:
w3c/csswg-drafts#2869 [css-fonts-4] oblique angle for synthesis in vertical text
w3c/csswg-drafts#814 [css-inline] Define the content area of inline boxes
Are CSS issues filed for all style attributes for which we believe CSS work is needed?
See also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0109.html
Agenda+ WebVTT
Actions
None in tracker
Links
WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review
Activity
No pull requests proposed or closed this period.
5 pull requests open for longer than a week:
w3c/webvtt#439 Fix some links from the linkchecker and the broken process document link
w3c/webvtt#430 Fontsize changes
w3c/webvtt#434 Add a definition of "video viewport" and how it relates in HTML5 to object size resolution.
w3c/webvtt#438 Update CLA and License agreement
w3c/webvtt#419 Timeranges
No other (meaningful) issues created this period.
Agenda+ AOB
References
Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText
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