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Add names of months and potentially days of the week to in-game encyclopedia #4822

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nemaara opened this issue Mar 23, 2020 · 11 comments
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nemaara commented Mar 23, 2020

As the title says. This is a reminder to add this to the help at some point before 1.16, just so players have an easy reference to it should they want it.

Current naming scheme:

January - Whitefire
February - Bleeding Moon
March - Scatterseed
April - Deeproot
May - Scryer's Bloom
June - Thorntress
July - Summit Star
August - Kindlefire
September - Stillseed
October - Reaper's Moon
November - Verglas Bloom
December - Blackfire

@nemaara nemaara added Enhancement Issues that are requests for new features or changes to existing ones. Prose Issues with prose text for the game. Help In-game Help functions labels Mar 23, 2020
@nemaara nemaara added this to the pre-1.16.0 string freeze milestone Mar 23, 2020
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Is there background to these names? They all sound pretty dramatic.

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I also wonder where these names come from. Are they already present?

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nemaara commented Mar 25, 2020

They're not in yet. There'd be a greater backstory to them in SP rework, but for now you could imagine they have a lot of association with Elven magic.

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sevu commented Mar 25, 2020

Well, TBH, I think it's more confusing to swap out real world names by fantasy ones. And not just a few – will I ever memorize them and not mix them up either?

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irydacea commented Mar 25, 2020

Well, TBH, I think it's more confusing to swap out real world names by fantasy ones. And not just a few – will I ever memorize them and not mix them up either?

Except we never used any names in the first place (Wesnoth's calendar system has been the elephant in the room for ages) and they probably won't be too important for most people other than writers. And if you do mix them up, there's basically zero consequences for that.

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nemaara commented Mar 25, 2020

Actually I'm going to use these names for Liberty for now, and if someone wants to suggest alternative names I'll swap them out later.

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Just kinda wondering, was it intentional for Whitefire and Blackfire to be adjacent months?

(I asked this on the other thread too but then realized this is probably the more important thread on this topic.)

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nemaara commented Apr 7, 2020

Yes, that's intentional.

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nemaara commented Jun 27, 2021

It's a question that I've asked before, but what's the lore around the calendar? It seemed to be added with no notes about where and when in the timeline it appears, nor even which races use it. Assuming it's used by humans, with a history that spans around 1000 years including a forced migration and meeting new cultures, a calendar that keeps the same names over the entire timespan breaks the worldbuilding for me. #4822 suggests it's a part of the Iryda Canon storyline, and given @nemaara's refusal to write story-bible for that world I think there's logic-errors that need to be checked before using this calendar.

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It's intended to be used by humans, the background was supposed to be from Irdya Canon as you said, where some of the months associated with equinoxes or strong seasonal shifts also had effects on certain types of magic (hence some of the month names). I was thinking this was something that more educated people (e.g. Baldras or say Malin Keshar) would tend to use, while peasants probably have their own names for the months. Elves/dwarves/etc. probably also have their own names, but from a reader clarity standpoint it would probably be better to either not mention month names at all, just use numbers, or use this list.

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I think it works for Liberty because that campaign takes place over little more than a month - all except S01 and the epilogue are in the month of Deeproot, with barely any time at all* between scenarios. Two Brothers could work similarly, as (excluding the epilogue) it all happens within a few weeks.

I think it wouldn't work with longer campaigns. SotA's S15 is the only scenario in month V, using month-names it would be easy to miss that the calendar advanced a whole month during the journey northwards.

The intro of S01 itself covers 3 months in 5 story screens. That wouldn't be apparent if it said Blackfire and Bleeding Moon instead of XII and II.

* It's probably a case of WINR, but on normal difficulty the turn limits for S02 onwards sum to 148 turns, all between 6 Deeproot and 3 Scryer's Bloom.

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nemaara commented Jun 27, 2021

Well I think we can try it out where it seems suitable. If it doesn't seem to work, like it doesn't feel right or something, it's an easy switch back. In the particular case for SotA, I agree with you that it doesn't seem to fit with Ardonna's style anyway.

kabachuha added a commit to kabachuha/wesnoth that referenced this issue Aug 7, 2021
added some prose explanation of the new months system introduced in wesnoth#4822 . Also, afaik, the first reference to Liberty in the tips.
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