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Science case conclusions: 10 questions to answer #494

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drphilmarshall opened this issue Aug 3, 2016 · 5 comments
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Science case conclusions: 10 questions to answer #494

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drphilmarshall commented Aug 3, 2016

Chapter Editors: can you please issue each of your science section writing teams with the following task? Thanks!

Task:

@ivezic would like to know how each science case constrains the observing cadence in several specific ways, and has provided a list of ten questions he would like answered for each science case - his list is below. Not all the questions will be relevant to every science case, but every science case must present its conclusions, and this list of questions is a very good framework to base them on! Some of the questions address relatively simple fine tuning of survey parameters,
while others offer the possibility of dramatic changes. It is particularly valuable to identify
constraints or tradeoffs that hold across a broad swath of science programs, and to understand
which options, if any, are neutral to the science - by having every science case answer these questions, we will be better able to do that.

To illustrate the expected detail level of answers, we also provide an example for each
question (which attempted to reflect real constraints, but are not binding in any way).

1) Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the sky coverage and coadded depth?
For example, should we maximize the sky coverage (to ~30,000 sq. deg., as e.g. Pan-STARRS)
or the number of detected galaxies (the current baseline with 18,000 sq. deg.)?

Example: Weak lensing science scales with the number of well-measured galaxies. The main
survey area should be optimized to maximize the size of galaxy sample.

2) Can you place constraints on the trade between uniformity of sampling and frequency of
sampling?
For example, a rolling cadence can provide enhanced sample rates over part or all
of the survey part of the time, at the cost of reduced sample rate the rest of the time (while
maintaining the nominal total visit counts).

Example: For Type Ia SNe science, light-curve sampling should be about twice as frequent as
for the current baseline cadence. The benefits of this improved sampling would outweigh
the loss of active sky area.

3) Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the single-visit depth and the number
of visits?
Especially in the u band, where longer exposures would minimize the impact of the
readout noise.

Example: The single-visit depth required for detecting RR Lyrae stars to the presumed tidal radius
of the Milky Way is at least r24.5. The single-visit depth required for detecting SNe to redshifts
of about 1, that can be probed with LSST filter complement, is at least r
24.5. The increased
number of visits that could be obtained with shallower data would not benefit either science
case.

4) Can you place constraints on the Galactic plane coverage (spatial coverage, temporal
sampling, visits per band)?

Example: Our science program cannot place any constraints on the Galactic plane coverage.

5) Can you place constraints on the fractions of observing time allocated to each band?

Example: Photometric redshift estimates for galaxies require that each band receives at least
10% of the total observing time.

6) Can you place constraints on the cadence for deep drilling fields?

Example: In order to obtain good light-curve templates for SNe, at least one deep drilling field
has to be observed each night in all 6 bands for at least 4 months.

7) Assuming two visits per night, should they be obtained in the same band or not?

Example: The completeness considerations for asteroids suggest that two visits in a given
night should be obtained with the same band.

8) Would your science benefit from a special cadence prescription during commissioning or
early in the survey,
such as: acquiring a full 10-yr count of visits for a small area (either in all or in selected bands); a greatly enhanced cadence for a small area?

Example: The deep drilling fields with multi-wavelength data would enable early science results
if LSST data were obtained early.

9) Do you have constraints for sampling of observing conditions (e.g. seeing, dark sky,
airmass), possibly as a function of band, etc.?

Example: Weak lensing science would greatly benefit if the r and i band data were obtained during the best seeing nights.

10) Do you have science drivers that would require real-time exposure time optimization
to obtain nearly constant single-visit limiting depth?

Example: Science programs requiring a minimum single-visit depth (such as Near-Earth Object
survey) would benefit from its uniform distribution.

Finally, if your science would benefit from a cadence methodology not covered by these questions,
please enter a description of this methodology at http://ls.st/yqq

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fedhere commented Aug 8, 2016

what is the due date? (i am getting back into my editing responsibilities
after a iatus... perhaps i should know. sorry)

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Phil Marshall notifications@github.com
wrote:

Chapter Editors: can you please issue each of your science section writing
teams with the following task? Thanks!

Task:

@ivezic https://github.com/ivezic would like to know how each science
case constrains the observing cadence in several specific ways, and has
provided a list of ten questions he would like answered for each science
case - his list is below. Not all the questions will be relevant to every
science case, but every science case must present its conclusions, and this
list of questions is a very good framework to base them on! Some of the
questions address relatively simple fine tuning of survey parameters,
while others offer the possibility of dramatic changes. It is particularly
valuable to identify
constraints or tradeoffs that hold across a broad swath of science
programs, and to understand
which options, if any, are neutral to the science - by having every
science case answer these questions, we will be better able to do that.

To illustrate the expected detail level of answers, we also provide an
example for each
question (which attempted to reflect real constraints, but are not binding
in any way).

1) Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the sky coverage and
coadded depth?

For example, should we maximize the sky coverage (to ~30,000 sq. deg., as
e.g. Pan-STARRS)
or the number of detected galaxies (the current baseline with 18,000 sq.
deg.)?

Example: Weak lensing science scales with the number of well-measured
galaxies. The main survey area should be optimized to maximize the size of
galaxy sample.

2) Can you place constraints on the trade between uniformity of sampling
and frequency of sampling?
For example, a rolling cadence can provide
enhanced sample rates over part or all
of the survey part of the time, at the cost of reduced sample rate the
rest of the time (while
maintaining the nominal total visit counts).

Example: For Type Ia SNe science, light-curve sampling should be about
twice as frequent as for the current baseline cadence. The benefits of this
improved sampling would outweigh the loss of active sky area.

3) Can you place constraints on the tradeoff between the single-visit
depth and the number of visits?
Especially in the u band, where longer
exposures would minimize the impact of the
readout noise.

Example: The single-visit depth required for detecting RR Lyrae stars to
the presumed tidal radius of the Milky Way is at least r24.5. The
single-visit depth required for detecting SNe to redshifts of about 1, that
can be probed with LSST filter complement, is at least r
24.5. The
increased number of visits that could be obtained with shallower data would
not benefit either science case.

4) Can you place constraints on the Galactic plane coverage (spatial
coverage, temporal sampling, visits per band)?

Example: Our science program cannot place any constraints on the Galactic
plane coverage.

5) Can you place constraints on the fractions of observing time allocated
to each band?

Example: Photometric redshift estimates for galaxies require that each
band receives at least 10% of the total observing time.

6) Can you place constraints on the cadence for deep drilling fields?

Example: In order to obtain good light-curve templates for SNe, at least
one deep drilling field has to be observed each night in all 6 bands for at
least 4 months.

7) Assuming two visits per night, should they be obtained in the same
band or not?

Example: The completeness considerations for asteroids suggest that two
visits in a given night should be obtained with the same band.

8) Would your science benefit from a special cadence prescription during
commissioning or early in the survey,
such as: acquiring a full 10-yr
count of visits for a small area (either in all or in selected bands); a
greatly enhanced cadence for a small area?

Example: The deep drilling fields with multi-wavelength data would enable
early science results if LSST data were obtained early.

9) Do you have constraints for sampling of observing conditions (e.g.
seeing, dark sky, airmass), possibly as a function of band, etc.?

Example: Weak lensing science would greatly benefit if the r and i band
data were obtained during the best seeing nights.

10) Do you have science drivers that would require real-time exposure
time optimization to obtain nearly constant single-visit limiting depth?

Example: Science programs requiring a minimum single-visit depth (such as
Near-Earth Object survey) would benefit from its uniform distribution.

Finally, if your science would benefit from a cadence methodology not
covered by these questions,
please enter a description of this methodology at http://ls.st/yqq


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WFIRST HLS (weak lensing) done, waiting for input on supernova and microlensing

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I agree with many of the comments previously made.

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Hi all, @ivezic is putting the finishing touches on his summary of summaries: I'm going to start a PR from a branch for him to dump his work into. I'm thinking it can go at the start of a "Conclusions, Tensions and Tradeoffs" chapter, where we update Steve's existing text with some discussion of Zeljko's findings. Hope this sounds OK, @connolly @StephenRidgway ! I'll alert you to the PR once its going.

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Thanks for all your answers to Zeljko's 10 questions. His summary of them is now merged, as the first section of Chapter 12 (now "Conclusions, Tensions and Tradeoffs"). We got answers from most science cases, with just the Special Surveys and Solar System chapters missing. I think this is OK: the special surveys cases don't, to first order, affect the main survey's strategy, and I saw Zeljko providing some Solar System input himself. I am comfortable with not all science sections providing answers to Zeljko's questions: for v1.0, it's best that we freeze the paper how it is right now, so that the Chapter 12 conclusions reflect the science case conclusions accurately. Once we have release v1.0, we can merge pull requests with updated conclusions. Thanks again!

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