Enhancement: plan for calc v3 #103
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Calc version 2.15.0.0 has been released. This is the last major update to calc v2 planned before we start work in calc version 3. As we work on our initial plan for calc version 3 and update the calc v3 TODO list, we will monitor use of calc v2.15.0. Any issues reported in the short term will be addressed on the master branch and a calc version 2.15.0.x will be released. Once all seems quiet, and our initial planning for calc version 3 is firm, we will form the calcv2 branch and begin work on the calc v3 TODO list. Should there be a need for a calc v2 bug fix release after that, we will apply such changes to the calcv2 branch. |
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In comment 1929072414, @pmetzger suggests:
Calc could start off with certain constants as predefine variables, subject to the Perhaps what might be needed is some "rebuild the constants to this epsilon" such as: The By default (unless calc was given such flag such as OK: we are talking about the constants that are not rational values. The internal constants for things like 1, 2, -1, and 10 don't count. Well they are part of counting, but you know what we mean. :-) We also prefer to constants that are reasonably sized. We are not going to load Skewes's number for example. :-) :-) :-) We also need to restrict to constants that are easy to compute, so we are not going to compute Ackermann function related constants either :-) :-) :-). Only simple easy to compute constants. And not too many constants: we don't want to delay calc startup time too much. If so, what constants should calc pre-define? What are their names? Please add your suggestions, in the form of Wikipedia links to the constants you wish calc to pre-compute and pre-define. |
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My own list in my .calcrc looks like this; almost all of these were added at some point because of an immediate need and then left forever. I think most of these aren't a good idea unless some sort of namespacing is provided. (Also, for constants with dimensions, it's hard to know which version of the constant one should use.) (Adding dimensions to Calc would be interesting of course. But a lot of work! Still, it also would sometimes lead to errors being found which is quite useful.) Anyway, I'd say "e" and "pi" are of course pretty obvious. If one adds physical constants that aren't dimensionless, they probably should be in MKS (SI) units. If one has namespaces (i.e. if one can say math.pi or phys.G or import things or what have you) then one can add an endless number of these without worrying about them interfering or polluting the namespace. |
You can perform calculations the first time the constant is used. This way you don't have to calculate all the constants at startup. |
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@ilyakurdyukov So lazy computation? Though I suspect that if it's just a few things (like pi and e) the time spent will be ignorable. |
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We like the idea of pre-defining constants. The effect of this calc v3 idea is that one would be able to do: and it would just work. In many cases the constants could be compiled in so that no startup time would be required. Given the default epsilon, the Internally calc as a number of constants. If you look at the start of To state the obvious, calc is in wide use in area of the world where English is not the native language: so English names are NOT good choices for constants. Thankfully in physics, math, engineering, the sorts of constants are mostly in language independent form. However in cases where the constant symbol is, say, a Greek letter, we need to use an ASCII equivalent set of letters, so we would use "pi". We would add a new builtin function, such as: that would re-compute the internal constants using the epsilon or precision supplied value. So if someone wanted to work with constants to only 10 decimal places: The existing show command would be expanded to show the pre-defined constants: We would probably print the pre-defined constants ahead of the internal constants table. Or we would add a different show command such as: And of course there would be a help file: that would explain the new Someone is free to reassign the value of a constant. Say, for example, that Well just any variable they just changed a calc variable and that is fine. Nevertheless doing: would NOT work as expected if UPDATE 0aAs stated above, there would be a command line option to NOT pre-define constants. Again we are guessing at the option name here, nevertheless doing something like (the letters c, C, and p already are in use,. so P for no-predefined?): Such a command line flag would keep the constant variables out of the name space. We would also rename the current file UPDATE 1We are thinking that the list of constants would not be too long. The output of: would NOT print pages and pages of constants. It would just a reasonable list. |
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Some care would need to be used in determining which constants were pre-defined and what values they would have. Consider these lists of constants:
There are far too many to include them all, and there are far too many constants that have a very narrow use case. Worse still, there are conflicting content names. For example: In the above conflict, the mathematical version would be used. Then there is the question of units. Consider the Gas constant R: We would probably go with the SI constant value instead of trying to include variations such as for "L⋅bar⋅K−1⋅mol−1", or "erg⋅K−1⋅mol−1", or "m3⋅atm⋅K−1⋅mol−1", etc. UPDATE 0aDuring this calc v3 planing phase, we would in this issue #103, come up with a proposed table of pre-defined constants that would specify:
We would then invite people to comment, suggest and correct such a table before implementing. |
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Yes, the SI (i.e. MKS) units are probably the best. I still suspect some sort of namespacing might be best for most things other than e or pi; that way you can request the physics version of alpha or the math version or what have you. |
Interesting idea. While the pre-compiled table could have a default, one could switch via: and use a calc command line option such as: In the above cases, the "none" option would disable all constants. The "default" would be the default set. :-) So if "pi" were defined: and then you did: then this would happen: The effect of switching to a constant table would be to assign |
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I was thinking more of something like |
Calc does have objects. Perhaps that might be useful. On the other hand that might be an unnecessary complication given that people would want "pi=math.pi" anyway. We suggested in comment 1751332488, calc would have a different constant sets with the "default" set being the default :-). Even though calc might start out with a "math", "physics", "default" constant set combo, more sets could be easily added such as "astronomy" or "statistics" or "number_theory" if it turned out that the "math" or "physics" constant set was too limited or that the constant variable names in those sets needed to change. The next thing to do is to propose what the initial constants sets contain. I.e., we need to determine:
And then for each constant set, we need a list of:
Again, these constant sets would be compiled into calc. The |
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Presumably, when the constants are assigned to variables, they will "will"
no properties for their assignees to "inherit".
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I was thinking more of something like math.phi (for the golden ratio) and
physics.G (for the gravitational constant) myself. Maybe pi and e are too
common for that, but many of the others aren't. One could also use
phi=math.phi to "import" a single identifier or have a thing like
import("math") for those that don't want to deal with qualified
identifiers at all.
Calc does have objects. Perhaps that might be useful. On the other hand
that might be an unnecessary complication given that people would want
"pi=math.pi" anyway.
We suggested in comment 1751332488
<#103 (comment)>, calc
would have a different constant sets with the "default" set being the
default :-). Even though calc might start out with a "math", "physics",
"default" constant set combo, more sets could be easily added such as
"astronomy" or "statistics" or "number_theory" if it turned out that the
"math" or "physics" constant set was too limited or that the constant
variable names in those sets needed to change.
The next thing to do is to propose what the initial constants sets
contain. I.e., we need to determine:
- constant set name
- string that describes the constant set
And then for each constant set, we need a list of:
- constant variable name
- constant numerical value (subject to the default rounding mode and
default epsilon value: 1e-20)
- string that describes the constant
- URL reference for the constant
Again, these constant sets would be compiled into calc. The calc -P
setname and config("constant", "setname") would allow for someone to
easily specify a set. And the set name of "none" would have no constants.
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Correct. The variables will have numerical values (rational (NUMBER) or complex rational (COMPLEX)) to the precision of the epsilon value. No special properties. Easy to change or remove. And if the "none" constant set is used (by invoking |
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It seems, @pmetzger, reasonable that Question for allConsider the case of Boltzmann constant. It would be very reasonable to include that in the "physics" constant set. What should the name of that constant be in calc? Which name do you prefer?
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Interesting point, @kcrossen. Calc does have the concept of scope. Consider a valuable that is declared local: Local variables are visible only within a single function or command sequence. When the function or command sequence returns, the local variables are deleted. So if we have an For example: That would have the effect of: |
Excellent ides. And useful to calculate c 🤓 if you are "so-inclined". But seriously, these will be good to add to the physics constant set. And thank you for your kind words, @Theluga |
Calc v3 plansJust an update, we are working on issue #138 (Bug: When calc is linked with and uses GNU readline then for any multi-line copy-and-paste, only the first line is executed). There is a really "minor" memory leak relating to the The Blum-Blum-Shub pseudo-random number generator seeding code in For this reason we have decide to push the Blum-Blum-Shub pseudo-random number generator seed rewrite into calc v3 sp as to not delay the start of the start of the calc v3 development. Once issue #138 has been addressed and well tested, we plan to release calc v2.15.0.5. This will be a "maintenance"-like release with the GNU readline copy-add-paste issue addressed, and a minor improvement to Once calc v2.15.0.5 as been released, we plan to use tool to normalize the calc source code in a consistent way: in similar to most of the current code. Probably the biggest change would be to go to a 4-character indentation model. Doing that BEFORE the fork means that if something important is discovered in the calc v3 code that needs to be back-porte into the calc v2 code branch, it will be easier to apply such a patch to the older v2 calc code. We don't anticipate making changes to calc v2, but you never know when some bug is uncovered and the fix needs to be applied to calc v2. So after calc v2.15.0.5 we plan to do the above code wack and release (after extensive testing of course) calc v2.15.1.0. We will let that code "soak" in the wild. If all goes well, (or if a calc 2.15.1.x is needed to improve something), we will release a v2.16.0.0 as the "v3 fork point". At present we are involved in the IOCCC (International Obfuscated C Code Contest) retooling, a year+ project to produce a better IOCCC experience. Don't worry about calc, we plan to not mimic the IOCCC winners style 🤓). That project, and the related IOCC mkiocccentry tooling has kept is very busy. The "calc v2.15.0.5" soak time will be well spent. And we will be still active in planning for the calc v3 project start. We are excited about the calc v3 plans, and look forward to proceeding with care and solid testing and you have come to expect from calc. As always, and in the mean time: calc v3 suggestions ideas remain welcome. Happy 2024! |
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FYI: Issue #138 has been resolved and calc 2.15.0.5 release is now live. As mentioned in comment 1873595215, we will now "let that code "soak" in the wild". We will continue to proceed with the above mentioned plans. |
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What tool are you using to reformat the code? clang? |
We are considering using the Xformat Clang Format app by Furnace Creek Software, and specifically the Xformat's Batch Format tool. And then inspect and improve if needed, by hand. We are very open to suggestions for other tools, however. The plan is, assuming all stays well with the most recent calc 2.15.0.5 release, we would create a calc version 2.15.1.0 out of the reformatted source code. Assuming that does well, then that would be the place where calc v2 and calc v3 fork. |
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clang-format is a command line tool bundled with clang (which is LLVM's C and C++ compiler). I haven't used it on large projects but it apparently works quite well. |
We will look for |
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For what it's worth, I happen to like K&R style formatting (with four space indents, and no use of tabs in source files), but that's personal taste. |
As do we. UPDATE 0Your desire of "no use of tabs in source files" is understandable, @pmetzger. A side story about horizontal tabs and IBM 3270-style block mode terminalsLong ago when we worked for Amdahl on a Unix port to IBM compatible mainframes, where IBM 3270-style block mode terminals, the presence of horizontal tab in things like a Makefile, let alone C code, was a pain. Someone using one of those block mode terminals with the common block mode terminal editor of the day, when they edited a Makefile, would convert leading tabs into spaces. The common Repairing the damage caused by IBM 3270-style block mode terminals was not fun. Even with Common use of tabs todayA number of smart editors today convert leading whitespace into leading tabs (optionally followed by a sub-tab width number of spaces) by default. We learned that fighting the tab problem is not fun, nor a useful use of time. Our use of " Set shift width to 4
:set sw=4We do that simply because vertical tab stops being 8 spaces wide, is widely baked into many things everywhere. And yes, we know that some treat vertical tab stops differently. It is a mess. sigh We could use a tool, as part of our release process, that would regularize the use of leading whitespace in calc source code, help files, documentation, Makefiles, etc. We could pick a convention about leading whitespace calc. But in doing so, we would be entering in a more modern version of above mentioned IBM 3270-style block mode terminal. This might involve code commits that are simply changes in whitespace, which is not fun either. Escaping the tab key :-)Our initial guess is to leave leading tab characters as they are and probably not fight the use of vertical tabs? |
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FYI: See comment 8421543 for a minor update on the above mentioned calc v3 plans. |
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BTW, I think this is probably the best explanation of the tabs and spaces controversy: https://www.jwz.org/doc/tabs-vs-spaces.html The key insight is early on, that there are three things people care about: what does ASCII Code 9 do when it's in a file, how far in do you indent things, what happens in your text editor when you hit tab, and that these three things are distinct concerns. I think the whole thing is worth reading. (I personally prefer code indented by four characters each time, I prefer that tabs not be used in files because different editors display them differently and we don't need to save a couple of bytes any more, and I prefer that the tab character in my editor inserts an appropriate number of spaces. Your tastes my vary, but I seem to generally have similar tastes to Jamie Zawiniski, the author of that post.) |
What you said in comment-1939127107, @pmetzger, has merit.
We performed an experiment where we expanded all TABs into spaces via the We know that some Comments welcome. Requesting advice on vim settingsAny suggestions on how to configure In general we need, for all files under the calc source directory, except for files of the form " Use 4-space indents
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:set shiftwidth=4
" Intelligently use the tab key for indentation instead of for inserting tab characters
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:set smarttab
" Use space characters, never tab characters
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:set expandtab
" Set tab stops to be different from the indentation width.
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:set tabstop=8
" Reduce the chance of tab characters masquerading as proper indents.
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:set softtabstop=0We do NOT want to do this for all files everywhere. We only what this for all the files in the calc source directory expect the Makefiles (files of the form We do NOT want to enable local directory It might be permissible to enable the We do NOT want to have to remember to execute some magic vim command to set this stuff, before editing files under the calc source directory, we and others are likely to forget to execute such a magic command. We want it to be automatic. Any suggestions? Perhaps use of vim modules along the lines of local_vimrc or some other vim plugin alternative is the way to go? |
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Some variation of this, as a line at the top of a C file, will fix the issue for both vim and Emacs: It might need a touch of debugging. Some of it (like UTF-8) is optional; ASCII can be assumed if you want. |
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Oh, and yes, POSIX and tradition specify that tab is significant in Make and needs to be there to introduce build recipes. I remember Stu Feldman 35+ years ago quoting Macbeth and saying make was "from its mother's womb untimely ripped." |
While we appreciate the suggestion, @pmetzger, we don't think imbedding edit commands into the content of files is a viable solution. Unfortunately, modifying the 1st line of a file does not always work for files where the 1st line has special meaning (like scripts) or whose entire content is used (no comment lines like help and pure text files). Worse still, the problem of allowing the 1st line of a file to be interpreted as editor commands is a security problem, similar to the problem of allowing a Even if one uses a method whereby the editor configuration line simply needs to be early in the file (not necessary the first line), you still have the problem for files whose entire content is used (no comment lines like help and pure text files). Moreover you still have the security problems where imbedded editor commands can cause the editor to do bad things. No, we don't think we should imbed editor commands into the content of calc source files. Any other suggestions? |
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This is only a solution for C files. Of course, scripts probably don't matter as much for developers. BTW, note that these commands are always something vim and Emacs have available; both editors take pains to not allow arbitrary variables to be set. If it's a problem, it's a problem no matter what if you open a file you didn't write, someone can always set stuff this way. However, you prefer an alternative. One might be just to document the code style you want and maybe provide lines for vim and emacs in your HACKING document or equivalent? BTW, for Emacs, a user would want: and to have |
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We have added issue #151 for "automatic vim no TAB configuration for all calc source except makefiles". |
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As an OT (Off Topic) calc update: We recently had someone claim that calc represented a RCE and SSTI security threat on the scale of 8.0 or of 10 because:
They said:
They said: because they were able to execute in one window run: $ nc -nlvp 5487and in another window were calc was running: and then were able to type in commands in the 1st window and have them execute in the calc sub-shell. They even tried to show a so-called 🫣 We rejected their RCE and SSTI security threat claim and suggested that the echo command, or typing commands into a shell, or executing a sub-shell from a shell was no different. That calc command is no more of a vulnerability than any other shell scripting language that is capable of printing strings or running commands in a sub-shell. Calc is no more of a vulnerability than bash, zsh, sh, csh, zsh or even interactive python or ... We will see how this goes and how far they will try to push their assertion. They seem to be hoping to gain credit for "discovering" a CVE. We have no intention of removing the system builtin function from calc in version 3 ... ... nor prevent calc from printing the value of strings that look "SSTI-like" :-) We will keep you posted should they continue to try can press their claims. sigh |
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@lcn2 You might want to monitor oss-security (see https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/ ) |
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(Generally, the complaint in question is equivalent to claiming that you can use the shell or a python interpreter to execute programs. As for the RCE claim, it's even more laughable.) |
Thanks 🙏 @pmetzger |
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With issue #151 resolved (thanks @xexyl), we will now have UPDATE 0Now on with matters raised in issuecomment-187359521, |
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We have released calc v2.15.1.0. The main purpose of this release is to create a spot from which the calc v3 fork can be made. NOTE: We did not apply a tool such as Comment welcome. calc 2.15.1.0 releaseThe following are the changes in this release: |
You are most welcome! I'm glad I could help ... left a comment about the vim version: from the sounds of it it seems it might have been something I wondered about but given that you closed the issue perhaps it's fine? |
Thanks 🙏 and it's fine that it's fine, @xexyl 😁 |
Fine as in ... 1991/fine ? Totally OT but .. :-) .. I do have a remark about that but obviously over there. Okay that's good. It can be amusing sometimes how a version change in a program can change the outcome of something, sometimes in surprising and often times in annoying ways. Glad it worked out and glad I could help! |
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This is a placeholder for TODO items needed to have the release calc version 3 (after calc 2.15.1.x is released and stable). Think of this TOOD list as a planned set of changes that will come with calc v3
Things TODO when starting work on calc v3
create calcv2 branch on GitHub
See How to Create a New Branch in GitHub - What's a Branch, Anyway?
See Creating and deleting branches within your repository
on master branch change calc version to 3.0.0
check in to ==>> master <<== branch the calc version to 3.0.0 change as a unstable release
use
calloc(3)instead ofmalloc(3)were reasonableassume C has const
use const instead of CONST
eliminate use of have_const.h
assume C has extern
use extern instead of E_FUNC and EXTERN
NOTE: address the DLL need for Cygwin compilers, so
perhaps use external DLL instead?
clean up decl.h
assume C has static
use static instead of STATIC
clean up decl.h
require <inttypes.h>
eliminate use of have_inttypes.h
require <limits.h>
eliminate use of have_limits.h
assume use of memmove()
eliminate use of have_memmv.h
assume use of memcpy() and memset()
do not assume getprid()
eliminate use of have_getprid.h
eliminate code that depends on HAVE_GETPRID
require <stdbool.h>
eliminate use of have_stdbool.h
eliminate use of bool.h
require <stdint.h>
eliminate use of have_stdint.h
require <stdlib.h>
eliminate use of have_stdlib.h
require <strdup.h>
eliminate use of have_strdup.h
require <string.h>
eliminate use of have_string.h
require <unistd.h>
eliminate use of have_unistd.h
require use of <stdarg.h>
eliminate use of have_stdvs.c
eliminate use of have_varvs.c
remove code that depends on VARARGS being defined
assume use of vsnprintf() and vsnprintf()
require use of c17 or later C compiler
update banned.h to ban gmtime()
update banned.h to ban localtime()
update banned.h to ban ctime()
update banned.h to ban ctime_r()
update banned.h to ban asctime()
update banned.h to ban asctime_r()
change chk_c.c to test for c17 or later.
eliminate BASEB == 16 option
remove any #include of calc *.h files that are not needed
make v_type and v_subtype an int32_t in value.h
This will allow for number larger than 4GB in size
reformat C code using Xformat
The format is TBD (perhaps discussed in a comment below)
test for support of 128-bit and also for 256-bit data types
This would allow for a BASEB of 64 and 128
See issue Enhancement: Try to support BASEB == 64 #48
Remove
calc -Oand the old classic defaultsChange the calc default as of the following had been set:
config("tilde_space",1),;
config("fraction_space",1),;
config("complex_space",1),;
Support hex float constants
A "hex float' matches the following regex:
[+-]?0x[0-9a-f]+([.][0-9a-f]+)?(p[+-]?[0-9]+)?See issue Enhancement: support hex floats #14 for more details.
Document or flag as syntax error when the numerator is assumed
When calc is given just
/2(no numerator), calc assumes a numerator of 1.This
/xbecomes equivalent of1/x. If this a bug, then flag as a syntax error,otherwise if this a a feature then document under
help/unexpected.See issue Enhancement: Document or warn when the numerator is assumed #49 for more details.
Change
#define CONFIG_SOMETHINGin config.h into an enumMove to a 3-level version system
Update
README.RELEASEto use a 3 level version system.See issue Move to a more ordinary versioning scheme or document current scheme #113
Improve how someone can control where calc installs things
Improve the documentation on how and where calc installs things.
See issue [Msys2] It will always install to
/usrregardless of whetherPREFIXis set or not #108Improve use of readline and the programmable completion feature
Look into completing the names of functions, variables, and providing lists of available help files or functions
See issue command completion? #115.
Add pre-defined constants to calc
See comment 1749699647 below.
See also comment 1751269852, comment 1751309220, and comment 1751332488
Release calc also as a macOS DMG for universal binary
NOTE: A single DMG for x86_64 and Apple Silicon
Release calc also as a s390x RPM
NOTE: See Support self-hosted runner on linux-s390x platform
NOTE: See also Run-On-Arch GitHub Action
Release calc as a Debian ".deb" binary package
NOTE: See Debian packaging
Split
help/commandinto separate help filesHave
help/readjust report on the read command, for example.The
help/commandshould be a concatenation of these separate help files.The
help/commandat the top should suggesthelp usageandhelp man.Improve
help helpThe current
help/helpfile need to be improved, both in the order of items presented as well as to provide topics of better interest.Consider how
man perlbreaks up and names sections. This might be a useful model.Add
help manto print the formatted calc man page.Replace
help usagewithhelp manand print the formatted man page.Alias
help calc.1tohelp man.Move
help/functlist*outside of the help dirPut only help files and
help/Makefileunder thehelp/directory.Change
help/Makefileto print a special help file about calc Makefiles.Alias
help makefiletohelp Makefile.Change
help/usageand changecalc -hto print information about the calc command lineThis print a short message about using the help command, and then print a typical command line usage summary.
Add
help faqto print a calc frequently asked questions fileLook over open and closed discussions and old Email for various FAQ ideas.
Explore the possibility of being able to save and restore calc history in machine ("native") form
See comment 1754161473
Integrate calc with
gnuplot(1)Come up with a good way for calc to drive gnuplot.
See issue Enhancement: Plotting #126.
Rewrite the Blum-Blum-Shub pseudo-random number generator seed code in
zrandom.cRewrite the seed code to be a straightforward generator seeding, while maintaining backward compatibility.
That is, no difference from a user's perspective. Fix the one known and minor calc memory leak as well.
Add a pipe object
Give calc the ability to perform I/O with programs it launches: I.e., core concepts relating to "pipes, forks, and I/O with other processes, etc."
See also pull request #153 that was created by @vike2000 for additional ideas.
MORE TODOs to be added over time.
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