Translation of user-guides to spanish

[BlackLotus64]

I've translated the files of user-guides as the priority order of translations of monero site.

Looking forward to revisions and corrections, @lh1008 @erciccione.

[lh1008]

Hi @BlackLotus64,

Thank you a lot for your hard work. I will start the review and leave any comments.

:) 👍

[lh1008]

Not finished reviewing. Have to go, so I'll continue later. :)

[lh1008]

Sigo con mi argumento, "hashing power", "poder de procesamiento".
Ese, "You can always...", puede también ser, "Podrás retirar...", sin el siempre, ese siempre es muy enfático en el ingles y no tanto en el español, podría caer en la redundancia.

[lh1008]

Hice un comentario pero ya no lo veo. Entonces resumire. Marketplace, que lo hablamos en conjunto en el chat de telegram, y hash (hashing power) seria asi:
"Nicehash es un mercado de compra y venta de poder de procesamiento. Vendedores de poder de procesamiento, por ejemplo los mineros, proveen de poder de minado a los compradores (aquellos que desean un servicio de minado de alguna moneda). Por lo tanto, Nicehash puede proveerte con un poder de procesamiento másivo en un corto periodo de tiempo. No tendrás que esperar años para ver si logras ganancias o no (otro ejemplo: No tendrás que esperar años para ver si obtienes ganancias o no,...no se te olvide la , despues del no), y puedes controlar qué moneda, en que pool y por cuanto tiempo deseas minar. "

[lh1008]

"Asegúrate que la/el pool que selecciones pueda soportar el poder de hashes masivo (aqui siento que es mejor no traducirla para seguir la idea de que la cantidad de hashes que reciben los pools desde el poder de procesamiento de los equipos; si perdemos la coherencia, entonces, "...pueda soportar el poder de procesamiento y la carga de...") y la carga de shares (encontre esta definición para futuras traducciones si a alguien se le viene a la cabeza como traducirla share), especialmente desde una conexión individual. Puedes...".

[lh1008]

Dejo la revisión aqui porque encontre un desvio en las lineas de las traducciones. @BlackLotus64 me escribes si tienes alguna pregunta sobre lo que te estoy comentando. :)

[lh1008]

"Si deseas hacer una oferta en el poder de procesamiento,....", "El estado del mercado y aproximanciones de los (no se si esto se requiera, pero hace mejor énfasis en los precios) precios de...".

[lh1008]

A partir de esta linea, las traducciones se pierden. Además que caigo en cuenta en algo que no se como estará organizado cuando se vaya a merge la traducción. Cuando escribes (ejemplo, la linea 10 que esta en rojo, la que dice "Take any computer you have lying around,...") y haces la traducción, escribes en la linea 9 "Toma cualquier computadora que tengas cerca,..." y dejas despues un espacio en la linea 10 y sigues con otra traducción en la linea 11 en verde y es a la linea 12 en rojo (en ingles; "Create a Linux or Windows bootable disk,...) la que le sigue esa traducción de la linea 11 en verde. Entonces queda la traducción de la linea 12 en rojo por debajo de la linea 11 en verde y no la traducción 11 en verde que deberia ser la 12 en verde debajo de la 12 en rojo. No se si esto suene confuso pero asi se ve.
Al seguir leyendo y siguiendo el orden en la traducción, se pierde nuevamente el orden de las lineas, 13 en verde es la 14 en rojo, 14 en verde espacio, 15 en verde es la 16 en rojo, y asi sucesivamente.

[BlackLotus64]

Debo revisarlo con cuidado, entendí tu punto, pero no sé por qué pasó eso, apenas reviso esto, le daré una segunda leída a todo para cambiar lo de hash power y revisar mejor la gramática. Al momento de traducir me enfoco más en traducción que en gramática y por eso pasan cosas como estas jeje.

[BlackLotus64]

@erciccione Why is that conflicts like a whitespace, a ".", a ":" or a double space are causing all that trouble? Just because that this is not possible to merge... but in my opinion that is not really a conflict it's just something different, like this (a single space) instead of this (double space). It's just so annoying.

EDIT: FINALLY. But it really keeps bothering me so much. I'm just not aware if those things are like that because a reason, of bugs or anything. But it really doesn't make any difference when visualizing in a web browser.

EDIT2: I'm gonna review the files not as a translator but as a reader, if I see something weird I'll update the PR, if not, it is ready to merge.

[lh1008]

Found this @BlackLotus64 , "Why do merge conflicts happen?", could help you understand git and github. :)

[erciccione]

@BlackLotus64 Did you manage to resolve? is is this ready for final reviews?

[el00ruobuob]

For final review please update the new versionning and translation snippet. You will find detailed explanation in the Readme. Otherwise I can further explain.

[el00ruobuob]

a quick change everywhere

[el00ruobuob]

new translation snippet to update: translated="true" now

[BlackLotus64]

So that's a translation snippet only eh? OK no problem, just false to true?

[el00ruobuob]

true as it is translated

[el00ruobuob]

idem

[el00ruobuob]

idem

[el00ruobuob]

again

[el00ruobuob]

and again

[el00ruobuob]

html

[BlackLotus64]

What do you mean?

[el00ruobuob]

snippet

[el00ruobuob]

and here

[el00ruobuob]

here

[el00ruobuob]

finaly

[BlackLotus64]

Got it haha I'm sorry, I just copy-pasted it thinking it was a script for other thing, what should I change in version? Gonna read Readme again but I think this is new.

[erciccione]

Build fails with message

  Liquid Exception: invalid byte sequence in UTF-8 in resources/user-guides/Offline_Backup.md
jekyll 3.5.2 | Error:  invalid byte sequence in UTF-8

@el00ruobuob any idea of what's the issue here?

[el00ruobuob]

May it be badly encoded? I see a lot of unrecognized characters:

monero-site/_i18n/es/resources/user-guides/Offline_Backup.md

Line 11 in 5f6a015

- Toma cualquier computadora que tengas cerca, incluso tu estación de trabajo. Lo tendrás más fácil si usas una computadora vieja sin Wi-Fi o Bluetooth si eres particularmente paranoico

Edit: does not appear in this copy paste. It's the ó and á

[BlackLotus64]

They are just accents, but it's weird since other files also have them... I'll try and translate it again, it should work, I was having line problems with that file.

[el00ruobuob]

Maybe the file wasn't saved in utf-8

[BlackLotus64]

Everything should be fine now, checked everything twice, if there's another problem please let me know, I'll solve it asap.

[lh1008]

Left more comments. The translation is really good so far. Congrats @BlackLotus64 . Next to review importing_blockchain.md.

[lh1008]

"Marketplace"

Estuvimos discutiendo sobre lo de hashing power. Lo vas a dejar asi?

En un comentario te puse otra opción.

"Nicehash es un mercado de compra y venta de poder de procesamiento." o "Nicehash es un mercado de compra y venta de poder de procesamiento para minar." Agregandole para minar para no perder la linea de lo que se esta trabajando.

[BlackLotus64]

Tuve mis dudas acerca de marketplace, ya recordé que sí utilicé una traducción en el archivo yml. Y lo de hashing power te refieres a poder de procesamiento? Cierto, viene como hashing power marketplace, debí haber entendido de otra forma, lo cambiaré a NiceHash es un centro de compra/venta de poder de procesamiento, ¿te parece?

[lh1008]

Si suena bien, me gusta como lo llevas a otro nivel. :)

[BlackLotus64]

No es nada jaja, es gracias a tus buenos comentarios y sugerencias también, entre los dos ahí la llevamos :)

[BlackLotus64]

Además ya sabemos que el Español es algo complejo, con tanta gramática y ortografía, pues bueno, pero hacemos lo que podemos xD

[lh1008]

En vez de decir "...y asegúrate de que tienes los binarios de Monero en el mismo disco o un segundo", podría funcionar , "...y asegúrate de que tienes los binarios de Monero en el mismo disco o uno aparte".
Cuando mencionas "un segundo" no hace como referencia a un segundo disco, sino que queda abierto como "un segundo que?", es mi opinión.

[BlackLotus64]

Bueno, a veces se utiliza de esa forma para no ser tan específicos, como cuando dices, por ejemplo, "tienes 3 discos para hacer 3 tareas, en el primer disco harás la primer tarea, en el segundo la segunda, y en el tercero la última", o algo así xD

Podemos ser más específicos si crees que se puede mal entender, tal vez en otras zonas no dejan nada abierto y es algo más propio de mi región.

[lh1008]

Dejalo asi, no te preocupes. Ahi también vamos trabajando juntos en la comprensión y si seguramente salen mas interrogantes podremos solucionarlo. Asi como lo pones en el ejemplo se entiende.

[lh1008]

Aquí no se "@account" si es un markdown o algo parecido.

Para dejarlo tal cual podrías eliminar las palabras, "de Monero", al final y tendría el mismo sentido.

"...utilizando la consola de comandos, utiliza monero-wallet-cli para crear una nueva @cuenta", y se dejaría con el mismo simbolo.

No se que opines al respecto.

[BlackLotus64]

Hay más documentos que tienen el @ hacia una página de Moneropedia, sólo que no estoy seguro si al traducir o editar algún otro documento estos pueden a cambiar del Inglés a Español, o si son permanentes como un URL. ¿Sabes algo? Sería más fácil cambiar el @account por @ cuenta (tuve que editar, hay un usuario llamado así xD), como dices, sin embargo no estoy seguro si cause conflicto por el momento ya que aún no traduzco la Moneropedia.

[el00ruobuob]

I don't understand evrything, but this is a general moneropedia consideration during translation: Keep the english @ account for now. Once you will have translated moneropedia and added the spanish terms after english terms in spanish article "account", then you'll be able to change it to @ cuenta.

[BlackLotus64]

That was my suspicion, and also why I left it that way for now.

[lh1008]

ok :)

[lh1008]

Aquí se te paso ponerle "@" a "@SEMILLA mnemónica". No se que vaya a influenciar el no agregarselo a la traducción.

[BlackLotus64]

Lo mismo que comenté en acerca de @account en el comentario anterior.

[BlackLotus64]

I'll put it between brackets because what @el00ruobuob said.

[lh1008]

Otra opción de "Credit" - "Mérito".

[lh1008]

Comillas en "Create an Account".

[BlackLotus64]

Las había quitado por un conflicto en esa línea, pero tal vez era algo más, lo volveré a poner.

[lh1008]

Hay una "Ḃ" iniciando la segunda oración pegada a la palabra "Nunca" - "ḂNunca".

[BlackLotus64]

Desgraciado Notepad de Windows jaja, y ni siquiera lo noté.

[lh1008]

(o en el menu Edit, Copy) o (o en el menu Edit, la palabra Copy)
(o en el menu Editar, Copiar) o (o en el menu Editar, la palabra Copiar)

No se si traducirlo también si el sistema operativo de quien utilice el manual este en español.

[BlackLotus64]

También tuve esa duda, puede ser y puede que no, además no sé si mymonero . com esté disponible también en español, por ejemplo.

[BlackLotus64]

Lo pondré como en la primer sugerencia por ahora.

[lh1008]

Ahí entendi que hace referencia a la barra del menu del sistema operativo, por eso te sugeri cambiarlo incluso mas abajo en otra traducción lo pones editar y copiar por eso también te lo sugeri.

[lh1008]

"spend" - "gastar"?

[lh1008]

Al fin y al cabo va a gastar bitcoin para comprar monero, no?

[BlackLotus64]

Técnicamente sí es gastar, ¿te parece si la cambiamos o lo dejamos así? Puse invertir porque es como que, utilizarlos para luego minar y obtener Monero, o sea un tipo de inversión jeje.

[lh1008]

Técnicamente tienes razón. jajaja. Ahí depende del contexto. También sirve, dejala y dependiendo de la reacción de los que lean las guías más adelante podríamos saber si les gusta o no. :)

[ordtrogen]

yo diría "gastar", para no introducir un concepto que no está presente en la fuente. también se evita un debate si realmente es una inversión o no.

[lh1008]

I agree with "gastar".

[BlackLotus64]

Parece bien, pensaba en otra cosa al momento de traducir. Sin embargo qué les parece si utilizamos un concepto más general del español, como utilizar? Esto en caso de hacer como en otras traducciones que preferimos utilizar algo un poco distinto a la redacción original para adaptar el contexto a algo más neutral. O si se prefiere puede ser un estilo de traducción más directo y utilizar gastar en este caso.

EDIT: por el momento lo pondré como gastar para dejar listo en parte este punto.

[lh1008]

I wouldn't use the word "utilizar" because might confuse with its definition of "use" and not spend. You are literally "spending" BTC to buy XMR.

e.g.
We "use" BTC as a media of exchange, like money, but we "spend" BTC to buy a movie ticket, and we also "use" BTC to buy a movie ticket.

I understand the context in a different meaning. Just like @ordtrogen said in the earlier comment, that we might get into a discussion if it's an, "investment = inversión", and we literally are in a discussion if it's, "spend = gastar" or "use = utilizar". :p
Spend - noun informal

1. an amount of money paid out.

[lh1008]

"Estos incluyen :", falto ":"

[BlackLotus64]

Igual por posibles conflictos ya que estuve utilizando Notepad en Windows, y me marbaca error en esa línea también.

[BlackLotus64]

De hecho hubo otro documento en donde no los lleva y era algo similar, algo como "lo siguiente:", por ejemplo, y no tenía los dos puntos. Se los puse y hubo conflicto de merge.

[lh1008]

Bueno comprendo. Lo importante es que se entienda la idea y que se pueda solucionar si llegan a presentarse conflictos. :)

[BlackLotus64]

Lo sé, me genera conflicto cuando hacen merge a otros PR y tienen líneas editadas en el mismo archivo aquí en la carpeta ES, hubo demasiados conflictos cuando utilicé el Notepad, y no podía identificarlos, casi pierdo la cabeza, por eso ya no lo uso ni usaré jeje.

[lh1008]

Hi @BlackLotus64 I just stopped the review here. Encountered the same issue I found with an earlier file a week ago. Translated lines are crossed with one another. The issue was fixed from my last comments so I could continue with the review. Please take a look at the file _i18n/es/resources/user-guides/ledger-wallet-cli.md, has this same issue. I also left a comment in line 57. :)

[lh1008]

Tendría una consulta con respecto a esto. Habría que traducir esto también?

cd C:\DIRECCION\DEL\ARCHIVO\DE\TU\MONEDERO

[BlackLotus64]

Se puede hacer, no veo por qué no. Bueno, sí, pero es que en mi caso tengo todo en inglés jaja. Pero cambiaré esa línea.

[lh1008]

Me refiero también al resto que estan en ingles y que posiblemente los sistemas operativos esten en español. :)

[BlackLotus64]

Cierto, cambiaré lo que se pueda de lo demás.

[lh1008]

DriveLetter:

"LetradelDisco:" ?

[BlackLotus64]

Creo que no se traduce por ser un comando del cmd.

[lh1008]

Dale entiendo.

[BlackLotus64]

Ah lo siento, no era un comando creo, pensé que lo era porque estaba en estilo de comando xD

[lh1008]

Yeah sometimes is a little confusing because they have the same codestructure. :p

[BlackLotus64]

BTW how do you put that code structure? I only know so far how to do this and this

[lh1008]

@BlackLotus64 here is the Basic writing and formatting syntax

[lh1008]

Esta es tu traducción:

" Ledger preguntará si deseas exportar la clave privada o no. Primero y ante todo, tus fondos no pueden ser comprometidos con simplemente tu clave privada de visualización. Exportar la clave privada de visualización permite al cliente (en el ordenador - Monero v0.12.2.0) escanear bloques en busca de transacciones pertenecientes a tu monedero / dirección. Si esta opción no es utilizada, el dispositivo (Ledger) escaneará bloques, lo que será significativamente más lento. Sin embargo, hay una advertencia. [Esta es,; podrías quitar "Esta es,", es un poco redundante, arrancar de una vez con "Si tu sistema...", porque en la oracion anterior estas ya dando la advertencia] si tu sistema se ve comprometido, el adversario será potencialmente capaz de también comprometer tu clave privada, lo que es perjudicial para tu privacidad. Esto es virtualmente imposible (pusiste posible) cuando la clave privada no es exportada."

[BlackLotus64]

Hay cosas en las que concuerdo, sin embargo en inglés sí lo ponen de esta manera, como fue este caso. En casos así es mejor adaptarlo a una mejor forma, es lo que dices, ¿no? Yo pondría dos puntos después de lo de advertencia, tipo "Sin embargo, hay una advertencia: si tu sistema..." para indicarla inmediatamente, en lugar de poner como dice en el original xD.

Y lo otro sí se me fue, ya lo corrijo.

[lh1008]

No se si la palabara "algunos" este bien en la estructura de la oración.

Te doy dos sugerencias:

"Ten en cuenta que esto puede tomar unos 5-10 minutos."
ó
"Ten en cuenta que esto pueder tardar entre 5-10 minutos."

[BlackLotus64]

¿Y si cambiamos un poco el formato? Para poder poner: puede tomar de 5 a 10 minutos, o puede tomar entre 5 y 10 minutos.

[lh1008]

Si dale esta bien. :)

[lh1008]

Paro acá. Encontre nuevamente los problemas de las lineas en la traducción.
A partir de la linea 59 en rojo:

1. This guide assumes you have already initialized your Ledger wallet and thus generated a 24 word mnemonic seed.
   Le sigue la traduccion 58 en verde:
   Primero necesitamos asegurarnos de estar suficientemente preparados. Esto implica lo siguiente:

Aqui podría volver a tener conflictos cuando se merge las traducciones.

[BlackLotus64]

Le agregué un espacio porque no lo tenía, pero el número 1 y 3 sí lo tienen.

There are a lot of similar cases, so I'm not sure if it's because something of it's just a little mistake. In other files there are double line jumps
_
_
like this, but in other paragraphs the jumps are
_
simple, like this one. So I can't really say.

[BlackLotus64]

I'll build the site again now that it works to see the changes myself.

[lh1008]

Pero si viste que en el archivo las traducciones se cruzaron otra vez como se dio en el mismo archivo la semana pasada? Pare la revisión precisamente por eso porque no podría especificar con claridad cual traducción es la que se hace referencia.

[BlackLotus64]

Sí se cruzan por agregar la línea en blanco, más de rato lo cargo en jekyll y veo si tiene algún impacto ese espacio, hay ocasiones en las que lo tiene, o lo puedo quitar para revisión nada más y volver a ponerlo. Bueno, es que, la verdad, me gusta que todo esté igual, como dije, los puntos 1 y 3 sí cuentan con un espacio después del respectivo número.

[BlackLotus64]

Ah, y puede que no batalles tanto ya que tanto el punto 2 como el 3 son en su totalidad copy-paste del 1, a excepción de unos pequeños números y una línea extra del 2 xD

[lh1008]

Si claro, pero no es batallar con el archivo. Me conscierne es ver como se cruzan y los posibles errores que emerjan al tratar de merge y despues toque volver a revisar. Quedo ya atento. :) graciassss!

[lh1008]

@BlackLotus64 ping.

[lh1008]

Como vas? Te mando un mensaje para recordarte lo de las lineas que te dije. Es a partir de este archivo _i18n/es/resources/user-guides/ledger-wallet-cli.md a partir de la linea 57 que se pierde el orden de la traducción.

[BlackLotus64]

Hola @lh1008, la verdad no he estado activo ni aquí ni en otros sitios, tuve un problema de salud y he estado reposando un poco, nada grave, pero me tomé un pequeño tiempo. Espero hoy y continúo con todo esto y lo demás.

[lh1008]

@BlackLotus64 hola, que bueno saber de ti. Ojala recuperes. Como ibamos a un buen ritmo por eso te escribi, pero tomate el tiempo necesario. Es mejor estar recuperado y con las energías equilibradas que trabajar a medias. No te preocupes. Cuando estes mejor continuamos, yo mientras tanto sigo adelantando cosas que tengo pendientes. :)

[BlackLotus64]

Me siento mejor, los días anteriores no xD

Recién subí los cambios en el archivo @lh1008, si hay algún otro detalle hazme saber :)

[lh1008]

@BlackLotus64 in the same file _i18n/es/resources/user-guides/ledger-wallet-cli.md the same error from line 108 to 158. I suggest if you take a look at the files you uploaded and see if you see more errors, in this way we I can go straight forward and not stopping each time I find the error. You won't have to make small changes each time. The translation is going great. :)

[lh1008]

que tal...

"...usar la interfaz de comandos..."

[BlackLotus64]

O puede quedarse como Consola de Comandos, ¿cómo ves? He pensado en usar cmd pero como es algo más propio de Windows, pues no sería tan universal.

[ordtrogen]

La fuente no está muy clara pero "CLI v0.12.2.0" es una referencia al programa "monero-wallet-cli" lo que se explica más adelante en las instrucciones. Yo diría "usar la CLI v0.12.2.0".
En la terminología de MS al español, dan CLI por CLI

[BlackLotus64]

Entiendo, sólo me queda la duda de que CLI es por las siglas de Command Line Interface, o sea, la consola de comandos, pero no hay hasta donde sé, unas siglas en español tipo CDC o CC que se use universalmente para este tipo de programas. Hoy reviso los comentarios que me han hecho, gracias.

[lh1008]

Leave CLI, Interfaz de Línea de Comandos, in Spanish. Like @ordtrogen said.

[lh1008]

Los archivos en formato ".exe", son para windows.

Creo que es mejor dejarlo asi:
monerod

[BlackLotus64]

Error del copy paste, entendido.

[lh1008]

Dejo un comentario como para ampliar el léxico y una sugerencia. Encontre este wikilengua que nos puede ayudar. Podríamos cargar los textos con palabras términadas en -mente y podemos encontrar otras maneras de decir lo mismo sin extender su significado.

"Ahora que estamos lo suficientemente preparados,..." (lo es un pronombre que en este caso no es obligatorio, se le conoce como complemente indirecto).
ó
"Ahora que estamos lo suficiente preparados,..."

[BlackLotus64]

Podría ser como la primera sugerencia, no está mal.

[lh1008]

Falto la "l" en "terminal".

[lh1008]

/full/path/to/monero-wallet-cli (esta es la dirección actual del directorio; podría ser que no se traduzca por cuestiones de formalidad de código pero en la siguiente linea de traduccion 93 "full path" = "dirección completa", dejas claro que ahi es donde debe ir la direccion completa actual en tu Mac OS X) --generate-from-device <nuevo-nombre-de-monedero> --subaddress-lookahead 3:200 (este es el comando; no hay manera de traducirlo)

Dejo este comentario como para analizar lo que habíamos hablado antes sobre las direcciones de los directorios

[BlackLotus64]

Me pasó desapercibido, pero sí, en caso de direcciones pueden ser traducidas, excepto por los comandos. Ahora lo cambio.

[BlackLotus64]

/dirección/completa/de/monero-wallet-cli

[lh1008]

@BlackLotus64 aqui sucedio lo mismo con las lineas. A partir de la linea 108 hasta la linea 158.

[erciccione]

@BlackLotus64 This has conflicts who need to be fixed

[BlackLotus64]

Solved it, there's an error in the original guide at line 95, there should be a 6 and not a 7 in the numeration. It was causing conflicts due other PR merges (dammit github) but now it's solved. Hopefully it can also be corrected in the original guide.

[el00ruobuob]

Which guide @BlackLotus64?

[BlackLotus64]

Ledger Wallet Cli @el00ruobuob, sorry I forgot to say it.

@lh1008 the changes are ready to be reviewed, I checked them in linux with jekyll and everything seems OK, can you lend me a hand, well, rather an eye, to check them? :)

EDIT: and also @erciccione there are no more conflicts hehe.

[lh1008]

Sure @BlackLotus64. I have been also reviewing the kovri's website so I have been moving around from this review and from the kovri's review . I will get organized so I can get out this first and finish kovri's review that is taking a little more time. Thank you for the changes.

[lh1008]

I think you can remove the word "debes" in the second sentence and give the same meaning. Not sure about the comma that I suggest but while reading the text, I think it could have a pause.
I will also suggest to add the word "que" that indicates the characteristic of what we are talking about, the monerod. @BlackLotus64, @erciccione suggested keeping the comments in English so I will continue the review in English.

"5. Ya sea que tu daemon (monerod) deba estar corriendo y sincronizado totalmente o, conectarte a un nodo remoto."

[BlackLotus64]

Yes, it makes more sense that way, I was just using the direct translation. And sure, I was just using Spanish because it's a Spanish translation.

[BlackLotus64]

Now that I think about this, it should be better this:

Tu daemon (monerod) debe estar corriendo y sincronizado totalmente o debes conectarte a un nodo remoto.

It sounds way better, the Spanish translation of either just doesn't seem to fit in that sentence for me, what do you think @lh1008 @erciccione? We were doing some things this way in other translations but I'm not really sure, it doesn't deform the original meaning of the sentence.

[lh1008]

That is fine. What it needs to do is give the real meaning of the sentence without changing its context. Every language is different and if we just translate literally that would hurt the translation.

And to give it a more formal structure, you could take out "Tu".

"El deamon (monerod) debe estar corriendo y sincronizado totalmente o debes conectarte a un nodo remoto."

[BlackLotus64]

Just remember that it's daemon, not deamon :)

[lh1008]

ups haha

[lh1008]

In Linux the word "terminal" is the same in Spanish, and in Spanish "terminal" is the correct meaning. In Windows "cmd" stands for "command prompt", that is why the translation is different.

[BlackLotus64]

Got it, for other OS it will be kept as consola de comandos

[lh1008]

I believe for Mac OS also uses the term "terminal".

[BlackLotus64]

Yes, it does xD

[lh1008]

I think it will better to keep the word CLI even if you add the "consola de comandos".

[ordtrogen]

Ah, hice un comentario más arriba. Parece que corresponde con el tuyo

[lh1008]

The same here with the CLI. It might be better to keep the "CLI" as it is,, because it stands for the monero-wallet-cli.

[BlackLotus64]

I can tell by the context, but, who said that it was for monero-wallet-cli? We can just use it if it's about it, I understand that it can be just a short version of the full name (just CLI), but that acronym is for command-line interfase, and not for monero-wallet-cli. It can be used to have less characters but it's not correct.

If indeed CLI is for monero-wallet-cli, all those sentences should just use monero-wallet-cli.

[lh1008]

We can open up an issue about it. Could you open the issue about it?

[BlackLotus64]

Yes I'll open it, it should be better.

[lh1008]

Here the same. I suggest to keep the "CLI" word because it stands for the monero-wallet-cli.

"La consola CLI te preguntará,..."

[lh1008]

It seems too literally translated.

"You may have to..." - "Puedes tener que hacer..."

I suggest a more compressed or smaller translation.

"Tendrás que..."

[BlackLotus64]

What should we do in this cases? As we know, the sentence in English is written that way.

[lh1008]

It seems literally translated. I'm suggesting to compress and work a better-structured translation while keeping the meaning, without hurting the original text. If you want to keep that way, it's your choice.

[BlackLotus64]

Ordtrogen often says that the translation it's different than the original text, so, yes, we can use a better structure to make more sense in Spanish but that will affect the translation. "Tendrás" is "you will" and is not used in the original sentence, but we can use it, like I did in other file when the sentence was using "is being used" but I chose "will be used".

[lh1008]

"CLI"

[lh1008]

@BlackLotus64 if you take a look at the website, "CLI" stands for "Command-Line = Linea de Comandos". I suggest to change "consola de comandos" to "línea de comandos" to keep consistency, and when the word "CLI" shows up, either keep "CLI" or "línea de comandos".

[ordtrogen]

Does it really say that on the website? CLI is "Command Line Interface", not just "Command Line".
I.e there are two ways to use Monero, on the command line, using the command line interface (CLI), or using the graphical user interface (GUI)

[lh1008]

Actually I only got the info from the website/download section.

Is better to leave it as CLI and if we want to translate it we should translate it from what it is, "Command Line Interface = Interfaz de Línea de Comandos". Thank you for the clarification @ordtrogen .

[BlackLotus64]

I'm really not sure about this, at least every person I know just says and knows consola de comandos and I haven't heard or seen someone using línea de comandos, they use just the sort version consola for CLI programs, which is also a synonym of terminal.

Wikipedia have an article with the name interfaz de línea de comandos and it's just a direct translation of command-line interface, but you know, it's wikipedia, and you cannot just trust everything it says. And for CLI, it may sound OK but not so good because they are an English acronym and it's kinda weird to say la CLI, I may just use consola for Windows and terminal for Linux and Mac, it sounds more own for me.

[lh1008]

I understand your point of view, but CLI is something from the monero-wallet-cli. It's hard just to change it because it might sound weird call it "la CLI", "la consola", "la casa", "la televisión", "la computadora", etc.. Or in any case, we should have to use hole name so there won't be any misinterpretations, "Interfaz de línea de comandos(CLI)".
The "CLI"(monero-wallet-cli) is the same in Windows, Linux, or Mac. "Terminal" and "cmd" (consola) are something different in the OS, we just can't change the name.

[BlackLotus64]

If that's the case I agree that it keeps like interface de línea de comandos. And yes, it is included in the program but it's not an own name, it just stands for command-line interface, and like I said, you cannot just mix English and Spanish saying la CLI (la command-line interface), it should be translated at least in a way it can be said in the same way, let's suppose that there is an acronym for CLI in Spanish, so it would be la ILC (la interfaz de línea de comandos) or just la interfaz de línea de comandos. I'll just use the entire sentence for now.

[lh1008]

The"files" names can't be changed even if it can be translated. Maybe I didn't add like I did in a comment below, we have to make it clear that it's referring to the CLI.

We can state "la interfaz de linea de comandos (CLI)", we have to keep on using "CLI".

Saying "la CLI" is not a grammatical error. If that's the case "la Internet", "los hashes", "la pool", couldn't be used either.

[lh1008]

The word "utilizar" translated in the text is in past tense, as in "used"; utilizar, utilizado. I think it meant "utiliza" or "utilizas", because it has a bad gramatical structure if we leave it "utilizar = used".

"Si utiliza un nodo remoto,..." or "Si utilizas un nodo remoto,..."

[ordtrogen]

Where is says "flag" in the source, it should say "option" (see #827)
You'll have to decide whether to change 'bandera' to 'opción', I'm not sure which is more frequent in Spanish

[lh1008]

In some way I agree in the term "opción", but in this case is a "flag" ("marca" as in "a signal"; without the sign, it won't "run"; "bandera"). I would vote to keep it as "bandera", with this arguments.
In the #827 issue the "option = opción" word, also, "wallet option = opción del monedero", are pointing out the options you are able to use in the command line. That's what I understand, but when you use a flag, you need to give a "special" sign in order for the CLI to run. What do you think?

[lh1008]

Microsoft Terminology Search says "Marca".

Broadly, a marker of some type used by a computer in processing or interpreting information; a signal indicating the existence or status of a particular condition. Flags are used in such areas as communications, programming, and information processing.

[lh1008]

If we change it for the word "opción" it will change the whole meaning of what it really is.

[ordtrogen]

I'm not sure what you mean, but "--daemon-address" is one of the command line options of the monero-wallet-cli program, see the other PR and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command-line_interface#Command-line_option

I can't post a link like you do but here's the MS term entry:

[lh1008]

"Option" is not "flag".

[lh1008]

Wikipedia sometimes is a terrible source of information. Take a look at this wikipedia flag Spanish definition.

[BlackLotus64]

I can agree with what you said about Wikipedia, as I mentioned right now in a past comment. And for the original comment, yes, I used a wrong conjugation of the verb, I'm correcting it right now.

And for the other, I haven't seen the other PR for today but I can use marcador since it's a more common word and I think it's more related to flag than "opción" or "bandera".

[lh1008]

Speaking with some European friends they suggest "ejecutar" or "iniciar" for the word "running". "Corriendo" by definition is running with your legs; if you just do a search, mostly all images will give you that image.

[BlackLotus64]

Well, it's a bit common to say it in that way here, but yes, it's more professional to use ejecutar. Said that, it can be changed to:

1. Asegúrate de que tu Ledger está conectada y la aplicación Monero está en ejecución.

[lh1008]

"...no se encuentran en la misma..."

[lh1008]

I went to the microsoft terminology search - "Tuning" and found two other translations that might fit the definition in a more technical software language.

"Configuración / Configurar" or "Optimización / Optimizar"

[BlackLotus64]

In this case I think it should be better Optimizando el minero, since configuring (configurando) it's more like a setup and not an additional step.

[lh1008]

Agree :).

[lh1008]

Windows uses "Ejecutar como Administrador"

Microsoft Terminology

[BlackLotus64]

-1. Lol it's a joke, you know, thanks for the data, I'll use the Microsoft terminology more often for translations about Windows options or menus.

[lh1008]

The problem of not using "ejecutar" for the word "run" in the mayority of the text, is that we find ourselves with low consistency. Here you used "ejecutar".

[BlackLotus64]

They are often used as synonyms to not be repetitive, when a sentence or paragraph uses the word many times.

[lh1008]

Line 75 mine-to-pool

• "Firstly stop the miner (if it's running), run the following commands to enable
  large pages and then start the miner as root:"

• "En primer lugar, detén el minero (si está corriendo), y corre los siguientes comandos para activar las páginas grandes e iniciar el minero como root:"

[BlackLotus64]

Got it xD

[lh1008]

"Secutiry Settings = configuración de seguridad"; "Local Policies = Directivas locales"

Microsoft Terminology Search

[lh1008]

"User Rights Assignment = Asignación de derechos de usuario"

Microsoft Terminology Search

[lh1008]

"Lock pages in memory = Bloquear páginas en la memoria"

Microsoft Terminology Search

[lh1008]

"Local Security Settings = Configuración de seguridad local"; "Add User or Group = Agregar usuario o grupo"

Microsoft Terminology Search

[lh1008]

"En el cuadro de dialogo Seleccionar Usuarios, Cuentas de Servicio o Grupos..."

Microsoft Terminology Search

[BlackLotus64]

Suena mejor, si es de Microsoft entonces está bien ya que es acerca de Windows, para otra terminología no me fiaría mucho.

[lh1008]

Inside the website you just add the word(s) you want to find inside the Microsoft terminology and they give you the translation used and in which apps they use it. It's a really good resource of info. :)

[BlackLotus64]

Hi guys @lh1008 @ordtrogen , I said to ordtrogen in IRC I was busy today so maybe later or tomorrow will handle all the comments and make changes, thanks for your contributions :)

[lh1008]

I believe the word "exploit" means something different.

"Vulnerabilidad"

[ordtrogen]

Sí, el verbo 'exploit' tiene el sentido como en "México rescata a 129 trabajadores explotados por una firma surcoreana". En este contexto es una vulnerabilidad del software que ha sido explotado, lo que se dice "an exploit" (sustantivo) en Inglés

pero la fuente no está bien escrita.

[BlackLotus64]

That's the problem sometimes, there should be another world in English to say exploit rather than that one, so, should I use something in Spanish like hacked or change the phrase to something like:

Al final de esta guía serás capaz de dormir un poco más tranquilo sabiendo que si el minero se ve comprometido el problema no va a migrar a tu sistema operativo, because as you know, we need to be very specific in Spanish.

I also have some doubts about the part "it will not migrate to our OS". What does that means? I don't really get it.

[lh1008]

I believe the miner gets exploited and they can put on a different xmr address. If the miner gets exploited, they can also exploit your OS because they already have control of the device. With this guide, you eventually avoid getting your OS exploited, while using the miner with docker. That's what I understand about this guide.

[BlackLotus64]

Then, what do you think of the changes? We'll be changing the original phrase a little bit but it will be more comprehensible.

[lh1008]

The english text is in present time, "...is being used..."

Suggestion:
"...es utilizado..." or "...esta siendo usado..."

[BlackLotus64]

True but the paragraph tries to say that it actually being used, and technically is not being used yet. Should we left it that way or just translate it and use está siendo utilizado? And, yes, I use more utilizado instead of usado because those are synonyms and the first one is less casual hehe.

[lh1008]

ok "...esta siendo utilizado".

[BlackLotus64]

Like in the other file in the part "you may have to"... we can do the same here and just use other word to make it have more sense, what do you think?

[lh1008]

I think you can take out the word "ni" after "web" and will make the sentence have a better grammatical structure, and I also consider organizing some words to give it a better meaning, let me give you my feedback: :)

"...sin interfaces web de usuario o dependencias ostentosas. XMRig pesa mas o menos/ aproximadamente 4 MB..."

I believe "~" means "an estimate".

[BlackLotus64]

It's better that way, I'll be changing this for now, when we get to a more final version I'll push all the changes :)

[lh1008]

What are your thoughts about the comment I made above of the words "corre, corriendo" for "run"?

e.g.
"Run the miner" / "Run the following" in terms mean different procedures made. One is involved in a computer process (run the miner) and the other is a "typing" process in the "terminal or cmd" to run the miner.

I have made some thoughts about the comments from the "flag" discussion, and microsoft, has been using "marcador" in its translations. I have this idea that Windows was made for "dummies" (this ain't true, 'I believe I can be completely mistaken'; but linux's advocates, most of them believe this), so terms like "ejecutar" and "marcador" are already being used when a specific process is made to differentiate them from other meanings. So I leave this comment for you to decide, I really don't want to be a judge or a controller in what terms are going to be left for some meanings in Monero, but I really believe that this must be done in the most "professional" way, at least using our capacities, so when people read about Monero, they can understand the language that has been used in different OS, and feel familiar with it.

[BlackLotus64]

Well, as I said, is often used but not too much as execute or even open which can be used to run a program. In this case what would you suggest? We already know that some sentences are written like this one and can be a bit confusing at the moment of translating.

[lh1008]

When I spoke to the eurpean guys, they actually said the word "correr" it does give a meaning but not to a close one, they were more inclined to use the words, "iniciar", and the word "ejecutar", they said it was exclusively used in software running devices. I leave you the comments, now is your call hehe. :)

[BlackLotus64]

How do you think they should structure this translation? I'll be a bit weird to me to read "ejecuta lo siguiente:", but it can be uses, it's just that I'm not to used to say it that way.

[lh1008]

If you consider this case is better to leave it as "Corre el siguiente comando" leave it that way. Just consider the comments, I don't have the last word in the translation. You have been working really hard on it. The comments are not pointing errors but to give us a bigger picture of what we are able to do. In Microsoft found this:

Microsoft terminology - Ejecutar el siguiente comando

[lh1008]

I will give a suggestion for the word "While".

"...y administra una cuenta. Mientras que un monedero de Bitcoin administra...".

[BlackLotus64]

It's more accurate, yes.

[lh1008]

Wouldn't be better to shorten the word "interface" to "interfaz"?

"...desde la interfaz de usuario..."

[BlackLotus64]

My mistake, interface is the English of interfaz.

[lh1008]

You're missing "." after the word "minuto".

"...menos cada minuto. Para ver...".

[BlackLotus64]

Thanks xD

[lh1008]

Extending the comment about the word "equipo" used for "party". While reading the text, when I get to the part in which the word is used, "...proveyendo la llave privada por transacción a un equipo, ese equipo puede saber si esa...", it reads as if we were talking about a "cpu" - "un equipo". I believe the word "party" refers to "partes" involved in the transaction. I suggest to change the word, this could mislead the meaning of the text in some specific regions.

[BlackLotus64]

In general you can be right, because we are talking a lot about computer things.

[lh1008]

cool :)

[lh1008]

"might" in this case, is used as "...pudo haber sido...". The word "debe", states, "it was split", and the transaction "might have been split" or "might have not been split".

[BlackLotus64]

Yes, you're right. I occasionally have doubts about all that words because in a normal conversation you can use the one you like more (should, could, may, might) xD.

[lh1008]

it's ok, I know this takes time and work, you have sure mage a lot of work on this.

[BlackLotus64]

Yes, and with other stuff to do and that last sickness I got things got slower, really, I haven't seen so many comments on a PR xD

[lh1008]

This might be of the all files compiled in one commit.

[lh1008]

I think the word "paid" should stay as "pago". It's a payment made to an address. The word "utilizar/ utilizó" refers to "how much", it can be confused with, "how much monero" was used in the transaction, including fees? Is a little strange when you read it.

[lh1008]

I will suggest a better-structured sentence. The set always-confirm-transfers 1 indicates or gives the signal to, confirm sending a payment, and gives you the opportunity to, "check / confirm" the info of the tx. So is giving you, "a last chance to confirm when sending", "una última oportunidad de/para confirmar el envio". This is what I understand about the process. So...

Suggestion:
"Si deseas obtener una última oportunidad de confirmación al enviar un pago:"

[lh1008]

While "threads" are "hilos", in a cpu, "threads" are more commonly known as "núcleos". Is this correct?

[ordtrogen]

thread - subproceso
Core - núcleo

[lh1008]

You're right.

[ordtrogen]

What do you mean by "minado en individual"? Both solo mining and pool mining software is run in individual processes, on individual computers etc so I don't think the word "individual" means anything here.

The GUI uses "Minado en solitario" which is descriptive and also makes it clearer that it's English counterpart is "solo mining".
Cfr http://context.reverso.net/traduccion/espanol-ingles/en+solitario

Maybe add this to the terminology page?

[lh1008]

@ordtrogen could you add it to the terminology page? I also agree with this. I made a comment about some translations that are already being worked in the [monero-gui repository](https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/blob/master/translations/monero-core_es.ts). Do you know if the monero-wallet-cli` command lines are already being worked, is this repository/ monero/tree/master/translation the translation for CLI?

[lh1008]

oh ok. Thank you.

[BlackLotus64]

So, do I use subproceso or núcleo?

[BlackLotus64]

I have seen in some Intel pages that hilos is used for "threads", but I'm not sure.

[lh1008]

"Hilos" is a strange word, imo, I would go with either "subproceso" or "núcleo", but like @ordtrogen stated, "núcleo = core". And @ordtrogen I saw your comment about "mining = minería", I agree with you on this one mining issue.

[lh1008]

Found this, could help. Intel uses:

• Cantidad de núcleos 2 (Núcleos es un término de hardware que describe el número de unidades de procesamiento independientes en un componente computacional individual (matriz o chip).)
• Cantidad de subprocesos 4 (Un hilo, o hilo de ejecución, es un término de software para la secuencia de instrucciones de orden básico que puede pasar por o procesarse en un núcleo de CPU individual.)

They say, "subproceso", like the "subprocess" made by each thread, but uses the word "hilo" while addressing what is a "thread"

[lh1008]

@BlackLotus64 I have an idea. What do you think once we finish the review, we work the comments together and then update the files. I fork your repo and from there we can work out the files. Not sure if you would like to do it that way, but is just a suggestions. :)
Good day, great work.

[lh1008]

I believe the term "party" that actually refers to a "second" user when translated to the word "segundo" as "second" sounds a bit wierd, to me. I suggest to find a better word to translate the word "party". I know it refers to "las partes" = "the parties"; "la parte" = "a party". Maybe use a different word, instead of "parte".

e.g.
"Cuando envías dinero a alguien/ a otra persona/ a un sujeto/ a un individuo..."

[BlackLotus64]

I could just use una parte as you stated in other files. The problem is that party can be used as team too when you're talking about a group of people.

[lh1008]

Not sure if here is stating a group of people.

[BlackLotus64]

It can, but yes, maybe here is not that case. I've already changed the other translations.

[lh1008]

ok

[lh1008]

Maybe for the words "looking up" the word "buscando" as in "making a search" will work better, and eliminating so many words ending in "-mente". This overloads words ending with "-mente" in the sentences. Not sure, just a suggestion.

Maybe re-organizing the text and giving the same meaning will work.

e.g.

• "Con Bitcoin, esto se hace de manera normal buscando el ID de la transacción, donde se muestra las direcciones de origen y destino, junto con la cantidad tramitada."
• "Con Bitcoin, esto se hace de manera tipica buscando el ID de la transacción, donde se muestra las direcciones de origen y destino, junto con la cantidad tramitada."

[* When I use the word "manera" is used as in "way" another word for "done", "modo". We can simplify the ending words in "-mente" using this grammatical change.
e.g.
"rápidamente" - "de modo rápido" - "de manera rápida"
*This is not always used.]

I have noticed that some of the translations sound a bit robotic, like if we just translate the text instead of trying to give a meaning. Just to point out what I'm referring to, let me just point it out in this sentence.

"With Bitcoin, this is typically done by looking up the transaction ID..."

"Con Bitcoin, esto es típicamente hecho observando el ID de transacción..."

The construction of the sentence is exactly the same as the text in English. Not sure about how in some regions the Spanish construction might be used in the language but some words aren't used the same as when we read them or used them in the grammatical writing structure. The word "observando" means "observing" and what I mean, the thoughts that come around my mind are, "what do you mean by observing?". If we go to crypto_land(specially bitcoin), we "look up" the ID's to search a transaction, and in Spanish look up, refers to search, "buscar", "verificar", "consultar".

:)

[BlackLotus64]

We can change words that end with -y (-mente in Spanish) when there are too many in a single paragraph, but in this case is only one, so I think it should be OK.

[lh1008]

While reading the guides, they are actually different files, but the review is being done without stopping, maybe I get the impression of the overload words ending with -y(-mente), that's why I stopped and made this huge comment. I know I have already mentioned it below in different comments. If you feel it's ok, just leave it as you think, if then we have more comments about the translation, we can work it out. :)

[lh1008]

"Para revisar doblemente:" sounds really strange.

I suggest:
"Para volver a revisar:"

[ordtrogen]

Double-check is an expression:

https://www.linguee.com/english-spanish/search?source=auto&query=double-check&cw=358

[BlackLotus64]

Volver a revisar should be alright, what do you think guys? Also volver a comprobar can be used.

[lh1008]

"Para volver a comprobar:" 😄 haha

[lh1008]

Maybe working with some words to give a better translation. I also suggest removing the word "particular", it's redundant, and "revisar doblemente" is something not used commonly in Spanish, it even sounds bad.

"La información provista por Alicia encaja a la perfección/ encaja perfectammente en lugar de los marcadores..., y mostrar cuánto envió la transacción a la dirección...Charlie querrá volver a revisar/ nuevamente validar con Bob..."

[BlackLotus64]

I was not thinking very well when translating double check.

And about the "plugs neatly", it can be that way, but the sentence is talking about replacing the tags (TXID, TXKEY) for Alice's information.

[lh1008]

It's ok, sometimes these things happen. It has happened to me several times and I have to stop working and do something different, it helps :).

Yes, it says that when "you replace" the information it will "plug neatly". We could work out which terms to use, imo, the word "pulcramente" is not used very commonly and is a really formal word, in the Spanish dictionary (where I live is not really common, not sure about other regions; but those are my thoughts).

[BlackLotus64]

It can be limpiamente or de manera limpia to not be too formal hehe.

[lh1008]

For the Advanced > Prove/Check and Check. Inside the monero-wallet-gui those words are already translated, so the guides can have those commands updated in the monero-wallet-gui repository. Maybe you didn't know this, so I'm sharing it with you. So I think we can work it out with the commands inside the translations files. I just remembered that the CLI and the GUI are already translated.

[BlackLotus64]

Just a simple "find in page" will solve this, thanks.

[lh1008]

Just to remember that the CLI has not been translated to "es". Sorry for the misleading info.

[BlackLotus64]

No worries, maybe we can work on it in a soon future :)

[lh1008]

@BlackLotus64 and @ordtrogen, I worked the latest update in the monero-gui translation and I added for "Use Custom Settings, "Usar opciones personalizadas". What do you guys suggest? Keep it as "Usar opciones personalizadas", change it to "Usar ajustes personalizados", or any other suggestion?
I like the way how @BlackLotus64 managed this translation.

Microsoft uses "configuración" for "settings".

"Usar ajustes de configuración"? (this is just to share what I found) For both words, "custom settings", microsoft uses "Congifuración personalizada".

[lh1008]

"Settings", when agreed, should also be added to the terminology.

[BlackLotus64]

I like more ajustes personalizados, I didn't know you've already translated a phrase like that. It can also be something like usar configuración personalizada.

[lh1008]

I go with:

"Usar configuración personalizada", it suits better 😜

[lh1008]

"Software de la cuenta".

I suggest adding the "la" as a description of "gender" for the word "account/ cuenta". In Spanish we have "gender" for things, people, and all around our grammatical structure. :)

[BlackLotus64]

I thought that it may sound a bit rough, and omitting it will make it more like a title and not something about specifically some account, like when we say "the account".

[ordtrogen]

Dicen "helado de la fresa" o "helado de fresa" en español?
("profesor de ingles" / "profesor del ingles" etc.)

[lh1008]

"Helado de fresa". That doesn't mean it doesn't have gender. I remember I erased a past comment, maybe I shouldn't have, but it's ok. The comment was a suggestion changing the organization of the words. It was this:

"Cuenta del software".

Then I had a conflict with the suggestion I made and did some investigations. Got to "Software de la cuenta" because like I stated, it describes the Software for the account, it's making a description of the software, to finally say: monero-wallet-cli.

But is just a comment. I like to share what goes inside my head while I put on words in a comment.

[lh1008]

I suggest not to use two same words in Spanish sentences, "contraseña".

"Dale a tu monedero una constrañea nueva y larga."

"Dale a tu monedero una contraseña nueva y que sea larga."

[BlackLotus64]

I don't know why I did that xD

[lh1008]

It's ok, that's why the reviews are important. Just to see what's in it, not to point at mistakes or anything. :)

[lh1008]

The text is missing some punctuations, I will also suggest another use in the first sentence construction.

"Luego se mostrará/ Luego se pedirá "Restore from specific blockchain height (optional, default 0'):", restaurar desde una altura específica en la blockchain... Si no conoces la altura del bloque específico, sólo presiona Enter..."

[BlackLotus64]

Is there a translation for that option? Like in the GUI.

[lh1008]

No, not yet. The CLI hasn't been a priority, for now. But if you check the text out, you were missing the "()" for "optional, default:0", so the meaning of the text changed roughly, even the instruction in the CLI, so that is why I suggest keeping the English text, and with a comma, mark what it means.

[BlackLotus64]

I just did it because I was not sure about how to translate that option, because it is something of monero-wallet-cli. Maybe we can translate it now, or like with the moneropedia, we just left it that way for now and change it later when there's an official translation of the CLI.

[lh1008]

Is better to keep it as it is because there isn't any translation yet. I know I would have also translated the text because I'm sure I wouldn't have seen if there was a translation for the CLI.

[lh1008]

"Software de la cuenta:"

[lh1008]

I will suggest changing in the monero-wallet-gui, some of the translations:

• Restore from seed to Restaurar por semilla, it has Restaurar desde semilla.

• Enter your 25 (or 24) word mnemonic seed to Ingresa tu ~~semilla mnemónica~~ de 25 (o 24) palabras, it has Escribir las 25 (o 24) palabras de la semilla mnemotécnica

I found these changes much better. :) 👍
I will also be updating the word mnemónica, it has Semilla mnemotécnica

But for the translation made for Restore height (optional) to Altura de restaurado (opcional), the monero-wallet-gui has Restaurar altura (opcional). This one sounds more precise. I will suggest to change it in this translation.

The word "específica" is missing the tilde.

I suggest the following:
"Opcionalmente, específica la altura en Restaurar altura (opcional) para evitar escaneo de bloques viejos."

[lh1008]

Ok guys about his comment. I think I missed several things I had already encountered in the past with some of these words and by mistake forgot to address them here.

"Semilla mnemónica" is a slang. The word mnemotécnica (mnemonic) comes from Regla Mnemotécnica; Mnemotecnia, so I suggest we shouldn't change it. I remember that I had "semilla mnemotécnica" in the terminology and now that I take a look it has been changed so I will add a comment about it.

I will be putting a strikethrough in some parts of the sentences but not deleting what I wrote, so we can keep up the history.

[BlackLotus64]

I suggest that you don't use too much Wikipedia. About mnemonic, I've found two definitions in the RAE dictionary. One is about:

mnemotecnia
Del gr. μνήμη mnḗmē 'memoria' y -tecnia.

1. f. Procedimiento de asociación mental para facilitar el recuerdo de algo.

mnemónico, ca

1. adj. Perteneciente o relativo a la memoria.
2. f. mnemotecnia.

So it's the same, like a conjugation of the same word, so we can use semilla mnemónica. Yes, "mnemotecnia" is the art and the main word, but mnemónico is also a related-word for that.

We can make a decision and then change of left the word that way. You can also search for the definitions in Google.

[lh1008]

Thank you for the clarification and addressing this correclty. I will update what I changed and suggest the update in the monero-wallet-gui. :)

[BlackLotus64]

There's some people and pages who uses "semilla mnemotécnica", but using some logic, it's just more OK to me to use "mnemónica" since you don't use, in example, something similar, I don't have something in mind but some techniques have another conjugation when you talk about a particular aspect of it, not sure if you follow :)

[lh1008]

Yes is ok, I really didn't know that "mnemónica" existed as a word. It really follows what you are pointing out in your last comment. I would keep "mnemónica" because it exists as a word, and it really makes sense. It even makes it shorter, and better understandable with the own English word "mnemonic". I think these discussions are good and productive, maybe they are a little overwhelming, but the discussions will help other contributors when they get around. These investigations give grammatical structure to the crypto-space where there isn't any type of grammatical investigation yet. I'm really thankful for your patience and keeping the hard work. :)

[BlackLotus64]

Thanks to you too, it's just the way it should be :)

[lh1008]

"settings" - "configuración"

"Específica la configuración del daemon y haz clic...:"

[erciccione]

@BlackLotus64 Could you rebase this? there are conflicts in ledger-wallet-cli.md and mining_with_xmrig_and_docker.md

[lh1008]

I think a mentioned in a comment above about the word "spend" key, yes it's a key that we "use" to spend in the wallet but I believe it refers to "spend = gastar".

"Clave secreta de gasto"?

[BlackLotus64]

It sounds OK but I think there should be a better word for it, I'll be thinking about it for now.

[BlackLotus64]

What do we have for those translations? I've been using those two words for them (utilización, visualización) because they're similar in structure, and I can't think about something like "gastación" xD.

Or, we can change the style and use something like clave secreta de compra and clave secreta de vista, but I'm not sure about the last one hehe.

[lh1008]

Here is what is being used in the monero-wallet-gui.

Clave secreta de gasto.

Clave secreta de vista. The suggestion you are making in this one sounds much better "Clave de visualización".

We could open discussions for this fundamental terms in the Spanish Teminology. This was suggested by a swedish contributor so we won't fill this with comments and have a better communication between us.

[lh1008]

Maybe we could use the word "restaurado" for "re-generated". Not sure how the word "regenerado" the literal translation might work there.

"..., y finalmente una nueva contraseña para el monedero restaurado."

[lh1008]

The word "from" I believe means, "desde".

[lh1008]

In line 40 you used the word "desde".

[lh1008]

I will be doing a PR for the "Spend key", "Clave de visualización", sound much better than the translation used in the GUI, but I still think for the "Spend key", "Clave de utilización" is not so accurate. What do you think @BlackLotus64 ?

Here you ca also validate the translation used for Restore height (optional), Restaurar altura (opcional).

[lh1008]

"Spend" - "gasto"

[lh1008]

I think you might be missing the "de" word after "monedero". What do you think?:

"...de entrada en vivo en la blockchain a un monedero de almacenamiento en frío."

[lh1008]

There is "Ḃ" in the word "ḂNo serás capaz...".

[lh1008]

Lowercase for the letter "v".

"En Windows, ve..."

[lh1008]

Lowercase in the word "que":

"...4FCD, que es una...

[lh1008]

Line in English underneath the Spanish translation. Not sure if there would be conflicts building.

[lh1008]

Extra line

[lh1008]

"Ḃentonces"

[BlackLotus64]

Sorry guys I've been very busy with some personal stuff but I'm almost free. I pushed some changes but I'm having some problems again with git, I'm pretty sure I rebased this but the conflicts still appear, I may need some valuable help again @erciccione.

[lh1008]

Finished the user_guide review.
Great work for all who gave their comments and are giving their hard work. I apologize for any hard comments, sometimes I can be a hardass. Thank you all for your support.

@erciccione @BlackLotus64 @ordtrogen @el00ruobuob

[lh1008]

I opened an discussion in the spanish terminology - issue #22 for settings .

[lh1008]

monero-wallet-gui has "Éxito" for Success.

[lh1008]

monero-wallet-gui has "Crear Monedero" for Create Wallet.

[lh1008]

There are some comments that have not been yet checked and there are some final "requested changes" that have not been added (e.g. line 183 - verification-allos-advanced.md) This will be all to approve by my side :). @BlackLotus64