Dynamic preceded by hairpin with dynamic ignored (dynamic added to the end of selected hairpin)

[tecc]

Describe the bug
When a dynamic is preceded by a hairpin with a dynamic, the hairpin's end dynamic "overrides" the specified dynamic.

To Reproduce
Steps to reproduce the behavior:

1. Write some music (without dynamics, for now). Just a bunch of notes will do.
2. Create a hairpin, and select it.
3. Add a dynamic to the hairpin by pressing a dynamic from any palette.
4. Add a dynamic after the hairpin is done, preferably a wildly contrasting one.
5. Play.

Expected behavior
The playback reflects the dynamic for the new note(s).

Screenshots

2023-02-15.17-42-25.mp4

Platform information

• OS: Linux (Ubuntu 22.04)
• Reproduced in both stable and nightly versions, as well as using MS Basic

[tecc]

Yes. This is a reproduction on Windows.

2023-08-19.03-52-48.mp4

This is the MSCZ file (albeit zipped).

[zacjansheski]

Ah, I see now, thank you for the mscz file!

[DmitryArefiev]

Yes, this occurs due to the way how dynamic (f) was added:

bandicam.2023-09-08.17-58-31-771.mp4

[DmitryArefiev]

@bkunda I propose to bump this since it's not a regression even to MS3 and there is a workaround when adding a dynamic not to selected hairpin but to the note directly (as I showed above)

(please change it if disagree)

[tecc]

Sometimes you can't have dynamics on the next note like that.
For example, in this short "thing" I wrote the player is instructed to decrescendo from p to ppp and then play the next phrase/passage with the dynamic ff.

The suggested workaround would result in this unreadable mess, which also does not play back correctly.

[tecc]

To clarify, I made the example in the previous comment for a clarinet, and there is a semantic difference between "this dynamic starts at the beginning of this note's duration" and "this dynamic starts at the end of this note's duration". This is also a difference that I would expect playback to represent.

[oktophonie]

This is precisely one of the main issues to be fixed by #16796

[Dima-S-Jr]

I indicated the same thing in issue #20468

[bkunda]

I believe this has now been resolved (can no longer reproduce).

N.B. I only changed the dynamic here because ppp was rendering so softly it was basically inaudible. Otherwise, no positional changes of any objects were made.

Example shows MS Basic (x2) then Muse Sounds:

Screen.Recording.2024-07-11.at.4.11.59.PM.mov

[Dima-S-Jr]

I believe this has now been resolved (can no longer reproduce).

That's weird. In the test build from 12.07 I was unable to get the expected behavior. Instead, the loudness stopped changing at all according to the text at the end of the hairpin. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?

Video_240712114455.mp4

[oktophonie]

Adding text to the end of hairpins is not the correct way to achieve what you want and using 'dynamics' in this way is not supported in 4.4.

However, with anchors you can achieve this properly by e.g. selecting a dynamic from the palette while the hairpin is selected (this puts a real dynamic at the end now, not a fake text dynamic) and then shunting it back to the end of the previous duration using Shift+Alt+Left, and then adding a dynamic on the new note:

Screen.Recording.2024-07-12.121044.mp4

However, fun fact, playback still doesn't work right; as this is issue is such a mess (and has been closed anyway) I've filed a clean version here.