Why Telegram instead of Gitter or irc?

[joaomilho]

Telegram is a proprietary thing that require people to install stuff in their phones. Who knows what sort of tracking they have and they share with governments. This project should use something more open IMO.

[Irio]

Agree with you, specially because Telegram requires a phone number to get installed. On the other hand, IRC is less user-friendly, even though being my personal favorite choice.

[tteurs]

why no use Rocketchat?

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Agree with you, specially because Telegram requires a phone number to get
installed. On the other hand, IRC is less user-friendly, even though being
my personal favorite choice.

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[ltartari]

Slack #FTW

[ruivelocci]

Slack its excellent choice because I believe that we must act locally.

[awerlang]

Gitter is very friendly, can be used from a browser, allows anonymous access, but the better feature is that you can browse message logs! Slack limits messages you can see, unless you pay for it.

So Gitter #FTW

[ltartari]

Good points, @awerlang. Gitter does look like a better solution. 👍

[joaomilho]

FYI Slack can also be accessed by a browser. Now I'm not sure which one works best from a mobile browser. I just don't wanna have to install anything :D

[paulochf]

I'm on Ubuntu and couldn't enter in the Telegram group.

I don't know the reasons for Telegram, but I wanted you to be aware of this problem.

Edit: I figured out how to enter the group, but not obvious IMHO.

[mracos]

+1 for gitter
no need to create accounts like slack and is integrated with github.

[cuducos]

IMHO Slack, Gitter and specially IRC tends to be more used among developers and among people working with developers. And IMHO these people have room to discuss tech things here ar GitHub (Issues & Pull Requests). Also IMHO the main communication channel should be familiar to non-tech people too — and that's why I'm against Slack, Gitter and specially IRC.

However I do agree with @joaomilho point when he says he does not wanna have to install anything. And surely the Telegram group grew bigger than we expected and that might reflect in issues in communication.

[MichaelKuhinica]

Slack has the same problems Telegram has.
On one hand, IRC is less user friendly on the other, it's more open and anonymous. IRC has been used for activism in the past and is extensible enough to attach virtually anything Slack might have.

[pingfreud]

Thinking lean, one would not bother with privacy until we start discussing disclosed topics. Telegram was working fine, but since it has 100+ users and growing, we are loosing some discussions due to unrelated messages.

I believe Slack is user friendly enough for non tech people. I've seen they get used to it pretty fast in less passionate contexts. Also, Telegram can keep running for general discussion.

[fititnt]

Rocket.chat is a open Slack, self hosted.

Aldo free own server at http://rocket.chat/deploy

[joaomilho]

To be constructive, let me try to summarize all points:

• Telegram: requires app install, privacy rules unclear, non-dev friendly;
• Slack: multi channel, search limited, user limits, doesn't require app install, privacy rules unclear, non-dev unfriendly;
• Gitter: 1 channel (AFAIK), user limits?, doesn't require app install, privacy rules unclear, non-dev unfriendly;
• Irc: multi channel, requires irc client, no limits, privacy rules clear (we build our own), really non-dev unfriendly;

The question is what does this project values the most. I particularly value privacy, even if we're not talking about sensitive topics, but I'm still just a one-timer in this restaurant (as this guy remarkably said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E99FnoYqoII).

[cabral]

On privacy and first concern (Who knows what sort of tracking they have and they share with governments):

From Telegram

1. Sharing data

We never share your data with anyone. No.

From Gitter

Disclosure of your information

We may disclose your personal information to any partner of Gitter and/or a member of our group, which means our subsidiaries, our ultimate holding company and its subsidiaries, as defined in section 1159 of the UK Companies Act 2006.

• We may disclose your **personal information** to third parties:
  

• in the event that we sell or buy any business or assets;
  

• if Gitter or substantially all of its assets are acquired by a third party;
  

• or if we are under a duty to disclose or share your personal data in order to comply with any legal obligation or to protect the rights, property, or safety of Gitter, our customers, or others. This includes exchanging information with other companies and organizations for the purposes of fraud protection.
  

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Telegram it is.

[oxydron]

@joaomilho Firstly, Telegram is open-source and so secure that is the preferred ISIS (Estado Islâmico) communication program.

And as I pointed out on the Telegram channel, maybe Discord is the best:

• Several text rooms
• Several voice rooms
• Bots
• Native Markdown text
• Cloud storage for files less than 8mb
• What IRC should be in 2016

[ryukinix]

Discord is really good to do things like... talk with your friends while play some bad game like Dota or LoL. Anyway, is really better than the giant bloated Slack or the lonely Gitter.

[pedrommone]

Sooo, let me go further here. Why we don't use slack?

[oxydron]

@ryukinix Indeed, Discord was made for gamers, but many non-gamer communities are using it, like this Artificial Intelligence community.
One thing that Slack don't have is voice communication, that should be nice to have, I mean, faster communication.

Edit: A Discord channel that I've created, https://discord.gg/vhCbB3C

[fuadsaud]

@joaomilho small correction: Telegram can be used in the browser as well: https://web.telegram.org

I've had experiences with both Mattermost and RocketChat (self hosted slack alternatives), but the user experience is extremely poor, mainly when it comes to mobile apps.

[myreli]

Have you considered Keybase?