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Can FD support #375

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So, this is a bold pull request, sine it breaks compatibility with can_msgs/Frame due to changed array type. Initially I thought of using the MSB of can_msgs/Frame.dlc to indicate a bit rate switch to avoid changing the message at all, but I soon realized that the 8 bytes was hard coded. It will break both compatibility with old bags and users will need to reserve memory themselves for their data. At the same time I don't want to add a new message for FD frames, which would be the only option to preserve compatibility, because this would remove much of the transparency between CAN and CAN FD.

What do you think of this?

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First of all: Great work!
This covers really everything for making CAN FD work.
As you already pointed out, this introduces a couple of breaks (API and ABI).
Most of them cannot be avoided, but perhaps we can make some less intrusive changes.

I haven't used CAN FD yet. Would your code still work with a CAN FD dongle and classic CAN slave?

At the same time I don't want to add a new message for FD frames, which would be the only option to preserve compatibility, because this would remove much of the transparency between CAN and CAN FD.

As an alternative, we could introduce FrameFD and use it in the bridge nodes for both, classic and FD.

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A CAN FD dongle with a classic CAN slave works The difference from an electrical perspective is that the r0-bit in the classical CAN header is always 0, and for FD frames it is 1 which alters the rest of the header. From a socketcan perspective, a socket with the CAN_RAW_FD_FRAMES option set will cause reads from the socket to return 72 bytes of canfd_frame instead of 16 bytes can_frame. The canfd_frame is backwards compatible with can_frame so user code is compatible with older kernels that doesn't support CAN FD, read more at https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/can.txt and https://www.kvaser.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/comparing-can-fd-with-classical-can.pdf. I wanted to preserve this backwards compatibility, but I realize that it's not possible in this case.

Introducing a new message might be a good idea, it will still break user code publishing/subscribing to sent_messages and received_messages though, if it is used by default by the bridge. We could add a conversion node that converts from one message type to the other as a remedy...?

Breaks compat with can_msgs/Frame due to changed array type
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Timple commented Sep 11, 2021

it breaks compatibility with can_msgs/Frame

If this is required, it should happen at some point.

Maybe it would be good to propose this already for ROS2 rolling. This distribution allows breaking changes and gets a discussion going. It could be part of the next ROS2 Humble release

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It's not strictly necessary, there is a possibility to add a separate data type for FD frames. I would propose to not go that way though, since it will become a mess for the user always having to deal with two data types depending on what to send. This is something that should be hidden from the user at this application level imo. So, having this break between ROS and ROS2 seems like a perfect opportunity.

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