It seems like everyone and their mother has --no-ri and --no-rdoc in their .gemrc file. Any objections to pulling that convention upstream?
Turn off ri and rdoc generation as defaults
+1 please dear world please
+1 ri and rdoc are available online usually so it's only useful for offline coding (in which case you could generate your own documentation very easily).
+ten hundred million thousand... I win
Would --no-ri be needed in install_update_defaults_str too?
Holy crap @ response.
P.S. / FYI: my mother doesn't have this option turned on
+1 and less .files to config
+1 on this. If someone wants ri/rdoc they can put --with-ri --with-rdoc in their .gemrc file ;)
~/.gemrc allows you to turn off RDoc generation.
See gem help env for details.
gem help env
+1 think of all the bandwidth and man hours saved.
Eric, thank you for giving me one page I can parse for the GitHub user names of people who I have completely lost respect for.
@drbrain the point is that it seems most people are already configuring their .gemrc to ignore them by default. This just solidifies the movement in that direction by making it the default.
+1, also configured in my .gemrc, would love to see it gone.
+1 (partially because I want this, mostly because I want to make this fucking massive thread longer)
Sooooo glad for this right now: https://github.com/blog/798-threaded-email-notifications
when i was a young rubyist, despite knowing about the commandline availability of rdoc, because of the inconsistent quality and helpfulness of the available documentation for some gems, i asked internet for help. if internet was out of reach, i read the code itself. in retrospect, this was more helpful than the documentation itself (and why i always install qwandry or gemedit now)
years later, what happens more often now is that i've built a new machine with a brand new provisioning script and i realize building it takes far longer than it should. this is largely my fault for not remembering the additional step of prepopulating every gem installing user's .gemrc, but if we're going to get serious about ruby deployment, should we really have defaults that aren't amenable to production environments?
so ultimately, i agree that document generation should be opt-in rather than opt-out. other remedies (including some i see above) include:
+1! I always wanted that.
David since you are in the mood of fixing stupid thing, would you patch github to add a button to STOP the email notification of these tread.
My iPhone keeps on vibrating like a Motorola StartTac.
...or is just me that is missing the damn button! :-)
It looks like this is being stonewalled but in an effort to keep a right idea alive here is a proposal for how to fix the situation in a way that everyone is happy:
I've been helping some developers learn Rails recently. The instinct of those developers is to Google for documentation. I show them http://apirails.com and http://rubydoc.info and http://relishapp.com. It looks to me like they're actively and happily using documentation outside of the Rubygems local install docs.
Those (and other) sites, along with a desire to provide good support, provide plenty of motivation for gem authors to write documentation.
Experienced developers also don't seem to use these docs and use --no-ri and --no-rdoc in their .gemrc file. Reversing the default has positive speed implications and would make all these +1'ers happy.
Well, swimming against the tide... I happen to use rdoc and ri that's installed with gems. I frequently code offline and find it handy. Looks like I've been snowballed, but that's just fine. Just wanted to add my $0.02, whatever that's worth these days.
ri and (local) rdoc were the first things I was taught beyond ruby and irb, and the first things I consciously forgot and later disabled. Sadly I never remember to turn it off on production servers, and the last time it caused gem installation to fail is just 6 days ago. For extra fun you should see how long doc generation can (used to?) take on JRuby.
How can you turn off the email notifications for this chat thread ??
github --no-notification, can we make this the default? ;)
-1 ... just kidding, +1.
+1 please do
@drbrain i had no idea about gem server -- nice!
+1 for sure
Everyone wishing they never had replied to this, try unchecking "Edit your Profile -> Notification Center -> Comments after me on commits" until the plus-one-twitter-zombies all burn in hell ;)
@hooobs: Right, you're the 1 in 100 that will want to create ~/.gemrc with "gem: --rdoc --ri" on your local machine, not in production though. This is not about removing rdoc functionality from rubygems.
@colszowka THANK YOU!!!!!!! :)
Local documentation looks nice (just discovered it) but not worth the install time when I want to try a new gem I just found. If I want to install, there is a good chance I already found and read the online documentation.
Here's a pull request that provides documentation for the user about ri and rdoc after installation: #44
Dammit, that "Comments after me on commits" notification setting doesn't help - any other ideas how to opt-out of the madness?
I rarely read the built in documentation, and it is usually the longest part of a gem install :/.
Newbies don't use ri, and people who need it probably know how to build documentation from already-installed gems. If not, someone will blog about it.
Installing ri and rdoc as the default is very counter to the way most ruby developers -- especially new developers -- consume documentation, and IMHO should be opt-in.
Flat-out ignoring hundreds of votes-in-favour from users is foolish.
OK, you got me thinking. I threw together a rubygems plugin that adds the doc command. gem doc will generate the documentation for an installed gem, and view it using the systems browser (using Launchy). This will allow all RDoc/RI generation to be disabled, but still let users pull up local docs if/when they need them.
OK you convinced me. +9000
RubyGems should not be doing anything with RI or RDoc. YARD appears to be the clear winner here, it runs rubydoc.info and comes with a local server:
$ gem install yard
$ yard server --gems
Need docs? Use YARD.
At least 99% of the time , when I've generated docs, it was because of the default and not because I wanted them. A command to generate out of date docs and --with-rdoc / --with-ri options would be perfect.
Scroll up, guys. I think we "won". It looks like the maintainers are planning to change the way docs work. So we can stop with the +1's, thanks. (FYI it sends an email to everyone who posted above you and we've already gotten hundreds.)
This pull request is closed, please stop with the +1's! I think a hundred or so are plenty.
Seriously though, https://github.com/account/notifications. Uncheck "Comments on Issues after me". DONE.
It's closed, but not forgotten. I think perhaps the focus ought to be shifted towards getting tools people use to install rubygems to set reasonable defaults if rubygems itself won't.
Also I just clicked Reopen 50 times. I don't have permission to but it felt good. Thanks github for designing the non-working button the way you did!
Honestly, It's a huge shame that this pull request has been closed as it offers one of the most significant performance increases to ruby developers who just want to get on with the job and install lots of gems without this massive overhead every. single. time.
I always thought rubygems was a tool by the ruby community for the ruby community but it seems the community has spoken and been swiftly ignored. "No correspondence will be entered into" I guess?
every time i am add --no-ri --no-rdoc
Hey folks. I made this compromise patch which educates users how to use rdoc and ri, and how to not install them in the future. check it out! #44
Good news, you can now unsubscribe to notifications from just this pull request. https://github.com/blog/821-mention-somebody-they-re-notified
This is pull number 42.
You'll have my vote as well.
+1, now more than ever.
How come this is not merged?
pull request closed ? but ... +1 !
Why is it closed? Maybe GitHub bug or something
very much +1
we use this default with jruby already ;)