Idea: Call out pre-odyssey Spansh data

[Kurbo26]

I'm exploring a boxel, and the system I just entered had all bodies known to Spansh which Outrider correctly identified. The Spansh data was last updated February 2019, which predates Odyssey. So although all bodies are known, the bios in the system are not known, potentially missing first footfalls and lucrative bios. Perhaps Outrider can call out when the Spansh data is this old since it might still be worth investigating (assuming it knows the last updated date in Spansh).

[weslocke]

I tell you what, I love boxel exploration. 🤣

But that's definitely doable... but are you wanting just a pill on the Nearby screen like "Fully Scanned - Old Data", an audio alert of "All bodies known to Spansh, but the data is old" or both?

[Kurbo26]

I don't think it needs to be too complex. There are various references to Spansh data in the panels, and if it pre-dates Odyssey it could be qualified with "(Old data)" or even provide the date it was last updated in all cases and the user can decide. Or a symbol to indicate it is old. (Tombstone?)

(I think there are people/tools that actively search for these old systems because they can get the planet characteristics from Spansh that likely contain Stratum T, but might still get first footfall if the data predates Odyseey. Not suggesting you implement anything like this.)

I think if you arrive in such a system, the voice/Now panel should not say "nothing for you here" if it is basing that information on data that is pre-Odyssey. Something like, "Data predates footfall technology, worth a rescan." (I suppose this would mean you need to generate a bazillion speech lines.)

I haven't tried the most recent release yet with all the personalities, but the Eminem voice is fun (and high quality). I have it set for all the science stuff. It is so exuberant and expressive. Contrasts with the professional female voice I use for the more mundane stuff.

[weslocke]

I use Cori High Qual for my sarcastic voice.. does a great job. 🤣 I have no idea why I went so whole hog with the personalities, the space chatter in EDCopilot annoyed me and I had turned it off. (Not the notifications, just the idle chatter)

But for some reason I just loved the idea of all of the different "crew members" with individual personalities and being able to talk to each other (though frequently question/answers don't quite line up).

But as for the old data, it's a really good idea. Will definitely get that in there here soo. 👍

[weslocke]

Ok, Just pushed a commit to show that data in various places, as well as an optional audio alert about it. Have a look when you get a chance.

1. Nearby, Status column: 🪦 pre-Odyssey badge (also in the Overview and on the tablet)
2. Nearby, Notable column: "old data: N bodies" (when only some bodies are old)
3. My firsts → Left behind: "old data: N bodies"
4. Here, header: "Spansh: pre-Odyssey, Feb 2019"
5. Here, body rows and body card: "landable? (old data)"
6. Now: "Next: rescan in the FSS"
7. Now: "🪦 Spansh data pre-Odyssey (Feb2019): Rescan for Bio"
8. Overlay system strip: "Spansh ✓ (pre-Odyssey)"
9. Arrival briefing, spoken and card: "worth a rescan"
10. Routine systems: never treated as routine

[Kurbo26]

Cool, thanks. I'll see if I can find such a system in Spansh again and check it out.
One thing though, I noticed you used February 2019 in your above comment. This was the date that Spansh was updated for the system I happened to find, but the date of the Odyssey release was May 19, 2021. So I think anything prior to this (May 18 or earlier) should be considered "pre-odyssey". Sorry for the confusion.

[weslocke]

Sorry, those were just examples... it's the date that the data got into Spansh. The "actual" date of the "pre-odyssey" flag is 2022-11-29, since before that both Horizons and Odyssey were both submitting to the shared database so you can't really tell which data is which.

Was just easier to use the date of the Legacy split as the flag date.

That could be confusing though... I'll change that to "Spansh: pre-Odyssey, 2019-02-14" instead. (Trying to keep it short to not wrap in the Now screen)

[Kurbo26]

I did some quick testing and it seems to work well. I even went back to a pre-Odyssey system that I've fully scanned but not yet sent the data in to see if it would still tell me to scan. It didn't, so working perfectly. (Some funny lines too...)