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I am also in for horizontal tabs. Vertical tabs are a cool experiment for me but my brain can't wrap around them as I'm super used to horizontal ones. Just one request I'd have would be to keep the option to use Icon only tabs (so similar to the vertical tabs) without pinning tabs. I think that would help with saving space in an horizontal tab bar too. |
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I think they should make a selection between horizontal and side tabs in settings. |
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Try clicking the "Expand Sidebar" button, which can let you collapse the tab bar and only view the icons of tabs! |
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From the perspective of usage habits, I really need the function of horizontal labels. The function of side and horizontal labels can be developed, and then users can choose by themselves. I hope this function can be developed |
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I thin the best would be is the instead of the URL box taking up a massive amount of space, it can be more streamlined and rest of the space used to display some of the current tabs centred on the active tab with the ability to scroll to both sides if needed.
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Tried side tabs, no thanks, back to LibreWolf |
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What? |
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The absence of horizontal tabs is* a deal breaker for me |
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Horizontal tabs are horrible if you have a small width with your browser, 50% of the width is just tabs... Why wouldn't something like this be optional?! |
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Only some of the most prominent or active tabs need to be added to the horizontal view as per my suggestion. This is a form of quick access than having to go to the side bar when the title bar is open. These little things add up. |
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I'm not saying it's a bad feature, I'm just saying the way i use my browser it doesn't work for me. |
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The maintainer will provide an option to switch to vertical/horizontal tabs. |
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Why not have both at the same time. The horizontal being a more streamlined showing only the most relevant for quick access as the address bar does not need all the space it currently takes. |
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Booo, hiss /s I'm a fan of vertical tabs, but having the option is good. |
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Stumbled over Zen today and want to see horizontal Tabs as well. Thats currently the biggest issue that i have with it. Besides that, its the first Firefox Browser that actually feels good to use and that i consider switching to. Good job. |
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double Horizontal tabs like Vivaldi |
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Ideally this should be configurable. |
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It was installed and then uninstalled in less than 5 minutes. Only because "No horizontal tabs" Vertical tabs are confusing and bad UX for me. If in the future, horizontal tabs are introduced, I'll be more than happy to try it again. |
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Please add horizontal tabs, I cannot use the browser like this. |
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I just switched from brave because MV3 broke Surfingkeys. Zen is an excellent browser, but the vertical tab bar is next to useless. I use Surfingkeys to switch tabs (which brings up its own list of tab titles), so it's not as much of a problem as it is for others, but I'd definitely prefer horizontal tabs. |
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Please. I'm struggling to use Zen when every other browser has the tabs horizontal |
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Please use any other browser then, as Zen might not work for you! |
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Hi team, tested Zen and like it a lot -- I'm trying to cope with the vertical tabs but indeed, I reckon, having the possibility to align the tabs horizontally, I'd sure enable the feature -- thanks !!! |
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Horizontal tabs is also a must here. Most screens are landscape and thus you have more room horizontally. Right now there is tons of wasted space in zen with over padded URL / nav area. It's insane that the old firefox I could streamline to a wicked tight setup for my netbook and these days you fight to get anything that isn't some jumbo Duplo block childs toy touch looking UI. UI these days sucks. Back to Waterfox and Palemoon. As a cheeky side note why not be radical with your unneeded paradigm shift UI and make tabs DIAGONAL! :p On a serious note UI where you have to bounce your mouse all over the place is stupid. Tabs with the URL bar makes everything nice, tight and centralized. A UI that makes you mouse top to bottom on one side then left to right elsewhere is just the weird kid trying to convince you he's/she's not weird. |
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Keep the sides clean! Put everything at the top. It works better for websites like youtube/twitch/kick. Browsing a website is less of an issue than browsing a website with video players. The height is always enough, but the width - really - determines the size of the video player. Also many of these websites have sidebars themselves, so it also looks kinda weird having the browsers sidebar next to it, but thats my opinion. So a +1 for me for horizontal tabs. Even better - make it switchable between horizontal and vertical. |
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@mauro-balades Sorry for tagging you, just making sure you didn't forget about us (like 90% of your awesome browser userbase) |
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This. There are still more important issues and bugs within Zen itself so it doesn't make sense to burn resources on Horizontal Tabs if someone else can submit it as a mod for example. I think this is the reason why Zen Mods exist in the first place (giving people the option to add/modify Zen to their liking without the core maintainer having to build everything) I was here when this repo had like 4 issues and a few stars. He's trying his best to keep focused on whats important to him. |
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https://github.com/mmmintdesign/Zen-Mod-Forbidden-Horizontal-Tabs Feel free to contribute here and install if you want horizontal tabs. |
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@mauro-balades Can this be put on the official website? That would be very helpful. |
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Official site or docs? I am waiting for arc 2.0 to see how they managed horizontal tabs. Mayyybe then we can consider adding them. But I want to focus on stability first |
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The author or someone need to make PR in Zen theme-store |
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I have passed from a chromium browser and every time that i want to close a tab i always looking for the horizontal tabs. Please bring horizontal tabs... |
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imo, Horizontal Tab option should of been there in the first place. I'd love to switch to it. but while it doesnt have it as an option, or even as a mod at least, I am not switch but rather watching the development and progress with great interest |
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Browser is smooth, fast and useful however... Those vertical tabs are killing me. That's the only missing thing! Please add! |
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It's over with guys. This dev hates us. |
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I’m not criticizing open source itself, but I think this highlights a common issue in open source software, one that distinguishes widely adopted projects like Blender from others. Successful open source software tends to reach users beyond just those within the open source movement. I know some might disagree, saying that these developers work for free, but that’s not the point here. Software is created for users, and if a developer declines to implement a feature requested by the user base, many will simply return to proprietary alternatives—like Opera or Vivaldi, in this case. This leaves these open source projects feeling like “second-class citizens” because they lack the specific features users need. |
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its just that for me its a no-brainer to have horizontal tab, its not like a feature request that no browser has it and thats completely a new idea, cuz i would understand that the dev might not want to indulge in these kind of feature requests (that could potentially take a long time), but horizontal tabs? cmon... |
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Supporting the view that for this Zen Firefox fork horizontal tabs is a prerequisite, a MUST have, for consideration as the main browser / a replacement for Firefox. Preferably with optional vertical tabs or the ability to use both. Otherwise, looking promising so far.. |
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I'm in the same boat as all the other people here. Tried out Zen, was looking where to enable horizontal tabs and ended up in this GH issue. Was using Duckduckgo Browser for a while as main browser but that one sucks so badly so I'm looking for another daily driver which is not Firefox (which I am using daily, but for dedicated/special purposes). Unfortunately vertical tabs are a complete non-starter for me. |
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Zen isn't going for the maximum amount of users, neither for becoming a profitable project nor anything like that. The main goal of zen is to provide a simple and organized environment for everyone to use. In order to accomplish this, we need to maximise the amount of space we use, this can't be done with horizontal tabs. With horizontal tabs, as soon as you start having more than 10 tabs, you start seeing things like tab titles start shortening/disappear. With vertical tabs, this problem disappears. It's the main reason zen exists. People saying "uhh I'm going to switch to floorp now", "this browser is buggy because it doesn't have vertical tabs", "I'm switching back" think they are somehow helping to push this idea. I was first compassionate about these people that want horizontal tabs and I was trying to look for solutions, but it's now starting to be an annoyance for me and the community. Firefox had horizontal tabs, so did zen inherit them. They are removed for many reasons. You don't like this idea? Great, use another browser, zen isn't for you. Zen isn't made to be a replacement for chrome or firefox, not everything is for gaining the maximum amounts of profits or users.
No, you think you are that 99% of users but in reality, most zen users are because companies that do have vertical tabs like arc don't have the balls enough to port it to places such as windows and linux. This does not mean that horizontal tabs are not going to be implemented, just stop being so annoying about it. Reddit, discord, emails, everywhere I interact, there's always people DMing for horizontal tabs or saying that zen is buggy because it doesnt have horizontal tabs, etc. Forcing someone that works basically for free to do something is NOT the way to push a feature. This thread is a great example of how NOT to ask for horizontal tabs:
And there's also the time consuming factor. Think about everything you see on the sidebar. That sidebar already has to have a layout for collapsed sidebar, expanded sidebar, compact mode, etc. Now imagine how time consuming it would be to now add ANOTHER layout for horizontal tabs. It would delay sooo much the browser's development. Zen's sidebar isnt just tabs, that's why other browsers have 2, because their tab strips are just tabs. In zen, you can add buttons, separators and all different things. Yes, I know every other browser has horizontal tabs, that's the whole point, to be different from virtually every other browser. |
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Fr bro, I can't believe how self-entitled some of these guys are, thinking they're 'teaching the developers a lesson' by using a lower-quality browser cuz y'all won't add a shit feature |
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It is somewhat amusing that literally every browser has figured out how to deal with that issue but for it isn't even a problem to start with: I'm perfectly fine just seeing the favicons of my 50+ tabs, conversely this part of your argument is simply not true:
Vertical tabs need a lot more space than horizontal tabs. Whether that space is actually well invested because you want to see the titles and have a 21:9 screen and nothing else you can put next to your browser window is a completely different (and irrelevant discussion). |
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If you open the same amount of tabs in zen and in chrome, and I told you: "Find the gh issues that talks about X" In zen, you can identify it almost immediately where as in horizontal tabs, youd had to go through each website, checking which one's the correct one. I understand some screens are small enough so vertical tabs to be annoying, but that problem's quickly disappearing. Again, if you are uncomfortable with vertical tabs using too much space, use another browser then, because that's just not the purpose of this project. And another thing: Imagine I end up doing horizontal tabs and compact mode still didnt exist. Id need to do a compact mode design for: Right side tabs, left side tabs and toolbar. But now, since we have horizontal tabs I need extra designs: toolbar + horizontal tabs? How would that even work? They are in the same side of the screen. |
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excuse me what? Have you even tried properly using zen? You can auto hide sidebar or partially hide the side bar, and even the url bar. You're seriously talking about space and then saying horizontal tabs in the same sentence? |
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This case can be compared with the "Gutenberg Editor" of WordPress. The majority didn't like it and stuck to the classic editor, but the developers still refused to listen. The point is, if you're creating software that'll be used by the masses, you should listen to them. It's not a rule or mandatory (technically), but if you care, you must. |
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It is impossible. Have you tried coding? It is not easy as you make it seem like. It has been tried to re-implement horizontal tabs back, and its almost impossible with everything breaking. It is not worth the effort |
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As said, if you need horizontal tabs, try all the other Browsers that support them or fork zen and make a horizontal tab version. Maybe the other people from this discussion will join in and help you build it. But forcing Mauro to add something that he didn't intended in the first place is the wrong way. It's like asking Steve Jobs to add the option of hardware buttons to iPhones because some people like hardware buttons more. |
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That is fair, but I believe the consensus here is that those wanting horizontal tabs want compact horizontal tabs à la Safari. And anyone who wants that on Windows is currently SoL, so it would be cool if Zen were the first Windows browser that implements this space-saving feature. |
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Because the convention is horizontal tabs, has been for literal decades, and convention is king in UI. It doesn't matter if it's a dumb convention or "the wrong way to do things", the users want to use things the way they're used to. |
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??? also people saying to just use another browser are missing the point? Zen has things Firefox doesn't, like workspaces. It's not rocket science. I'd like to see an objective reason one should "just use Firefox" when It obviously Is missing functionalities Zen has; functionalities that are built In and thus aren't limited by virtue of being a third party extension. so what then? It's not like vertical tabs Is the only feature Zen has that Firefox doesn't? lol? I'm not trying to attack the dev. I'm just utterly confused why some of you are acting like using a different browser Is the only answer. people choose browser over the most minute details. even something as minute as, you guessed It, the placement of the tabs. "other browsers already have horizontal tabs" Is precisely the reason why people want It; how Is that not understood? anyone with a computer Is probably using their browser a good chunk of the time. that's why the familiarity would be so useful |
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Hey @mauro-balades ! It's me. Comment #889 Buddy, I'm obviously joking around with you. I love you and I have much respect for you and your browser, hence I'm (jokingly) harassing you about something that I want (horizontal tabs) on this particular browser. I did make some comments about floorp, but cmon.. who we kidding? The moment you release horizontal tabs on zen - I'm out of floop el o el. I'm all about the memes. The meme that you've created by wrongfully making the decision to not work on it - let alone release it. Whatever you decide I will still support you and I will still keep recommending zen to people, because zen is performance and feature -wise in the top 3 of windows browsers and thats a fact. I still want to talk about why horizontal tabs are crucial for some if not most people: With horizontal tabs/bars you have:
The points above are sensible arguments, but you also have to think about people who are just used to horizontal tabs (which are literally the majority and I'm saying this confidently without having legitimate proof for it). Hope this will make you feel less stressed out and more acceptable to why its so crucial both on a subjective level and an objective level. Whatever you do, we still love you. Harassing? Yes, but that's how we show love. (I have to mention that I'm sarcastically writing this, otherwise ppl are going to take it seriously again..) |
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Lmfao, bro my sarcasm detector is at the floor. Sorry! |
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I'm strongly in the "will jump when it has horizontal tabs" group. I don't have a great argument for the feature, except that it's what I'm used to for over two decades. I dislike massive UI changes, whether or not that's reasonable on my part. I also rarely have so many tabs that they overflow the normal sized bar. It's the convention for the rest of the world, and one could argue it uses less screenspace in typical use cases. (I refuse to use floorp simply because of the name. It's not funny, it's just abrasive.) If I wanted to dip my toes into a vertical list, I'd rather do it through a context menu which is on-demand. ie, click correctly on the normal tabs bar to get a temporary spacious tabs column. |
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I wonder if the original horizontal tabbing system was completely removed in Zen browser? Can any of these options be implemented?
I want to say on behalf of myself and some people who are in favor of having horizontal tabs, we understand that your browser has a vertical tab philosophy, and we understand that it is difficult to make horizontal tabs to adapt to the browser, because it can break your sidebar features and so on,, although some people are used to horizontal tabs and they like Zen browser, not for vertical tabs, but for other things, for unique features, for speed improvements, etc., and of course we want the browser to have the possibility of 2 tab systems, like in Firefox, Edge, Vivaldi, but we understand that it is difficult to do and that it can break the philosophy, In general, we are grateful that there is such a browser as Zen, that you have created it and continue to develop it, because not everyone believed it when you announced on April 1 that there would be a new browser based on Firefox. |
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It's, completely removed unlike Floorp, vertical tab is linked with many featurrs too |
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+1 to the horizontal tabs. Vertical tabs are great on my desktop, but I am trying to switch over to Zen Browser on all my devices, and horizontal tabs just make sense on my 13" MacBook Pro because of the already cramped screen real estate. I also want to see the button title instead of just buttons. |
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First of all I'm sorry for horizontal tabs community if any of vertical-tab-gurus were offended by our arguments. I'd like to present other perspective to this problem; I today wanted to switch to Zen from Firefox Developer Edition, however I'm rocking following triple monitor setup: 1440x2560 (portrait), 2560x1440 (landscape), 1080x1920 (portrait) and there is only, let's say, 75% of screen estate available to me on portrait-mode monitors: Oh, let alone the 1080p 
This becomes a real problem when viewing sparse content, media (youtube) or using vscode inside the browser via GitHub . (dot) feature. Hence my +1 to the horizontal tabs even with limited feature set. I want to be all in with Zen as it resonates with me, just without vertical tabs ;) |
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Try enable compact mode to. save screen space |
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But... I want to see other tabs/have quick access to them. |
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Use the Expand Sidebar toggle button |
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Beautiful! |
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This is a good thing! |
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Aesthetically, this looks very nice. Functionally though, I wonder if you could integrate the address bar into the active tab, similarly to Safari. That would look more elegant and intentional and save a good amount of space. |
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Can't wait for this! Thank you for your work. Might not be quite the way I want it to be, but that's where your browser is most awesome. As long as there are any horizontal tabs, we can probably figure out the rest through your amazing customization options. |
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I'm new to Zen browser and +1 to the horizontal tabs. I'm not here to argue whether horizontal tabs are better or vice versa; the problem is that Zen Browser currently forces users to use vertical tabs, despite numerous user requests, like observable here, for the option to switch to a horizontal tab layout. While vertical tabs might suit some users, the lack of choice restricts users accustomed to the industry-standard horizontal layout found in virtually all other browsers and tabbed applications.
Proposed Solution: Implement an option in Zen Browser's settings to allow users to choose between horizontal and vertical tab layouts. This would empower users to select the layout that best suits their preferences and workflow. (Actually I found there is one: Benefits:
Conclusion: Good software should empower users, not restrict them. Some might want to say "if you don't like it, use something else", but not every user agrees with Zen Browser's philosophy from A to Z, but might still want to use it for other reasons, e.g. its unparalleled lightweight. (AFAIK speed in general cannot be achieved by adding plugins, unlike other features. After all, most browsers have a plugin for vertical tabs, even if it's not built in - but the inherent speed of a browser cannot be "implemented" that way, so it makes sense for non-Zen devotees, so to say, to use it if other conditions are met. ) |
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Brother u just copied what I said but made it sound smarter. Anyways, good comment, the more the better! |
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So we're just copy/pasting ChatGPT spam into this issue now? |
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What feature would you like to see?
I would like an option to switch to horizontal tabs.
What platform are you seeing the problem on?
Linux
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~ Created automatically from issue: #158
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