Experiences with a Yale Assure Lock 2 (YRD420) and a 700 series Smart Module (AYR-MOD-ZW3) #5391
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Yale now offers a zwave version of the Assure Lock 2. But it seems it is sill the old version: Module only: https://shopyalehome.com/collections/accessories/products/yale-z-wave-plus-smart-module-for-assure-locks-yrd450430420410?variant=41397668970628 I have the YRD430 and the firmware was updated from 1.3.4 to 1.3.10. @airdrummingfool Can you check which firmware you have and if DoorSense works? |
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@webmogul1 my lock's firmware is I did notice one small (unhelpful) change after the lock's firmware updated to |
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@airdrummingfool could you please tell me what's the firmware printed on the label of the zw3 module? |
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Sure - the label says |
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Thanks! It seems this is the newest one around. Do you have a link where you bought it? |
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I found it on eBay, but the listing I bought from is gone now (link is dead). |
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Too bad Yale announced the Zwave option for the Assure 2 locks without the latest generation Zwave module. |
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@airdrummingfool, After waiting an additional 6 months, they finally released “new” versions of the ZW2, and I purchased two of them. I had problems pairing them into Home Assistant/Z-Wave JS UI, and I contacted their support. Their support is next to useless. Eventually I did get both modules included into Z-Wave JS UI, but DoorSense is buggy and doesn’t seem to report properly. One door says it’s open when it’s not, and the other says it’s closed. I’m also getting different sensors/entities between the two devices, which is totally strange. I’ve tried reaching back out to their support, but I’ve gotten zero response. What I’ve discovered in regards to the new ZW2 modules. Z-Wave Plus version 1 This is hardly any different than what I had originally back in October. Yesterday I ordered two ZW3 modules off of eBay. If the only thing that doesn’t work is DoorSense, I can live with that. Since the ZW3 modules are 700 series, in theory if there is a firmware update, they can be updated over the air. Since the DoorSense really isn’t working on the ZW2 modules, it seems to me that I’m better off with the ZW3 modules with Z-Wave Plus version 2, 700 series, and S2 security. If you hear anything from your contacts within their support team, let everyone know. |
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@tamorgen same boat here. Got the lock in October and waited patiently for a zwave module just to learn a Zwave Plus v1 was now released. |
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@rfg81 It looks like a new ZW3 will be released later. |
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According to the Yale website, the ZW3 is technically available now through "select dealers and wholesalers":
I find it a bit insulting that they made consumers wait 7 months after the release of the Assure Lock 2, only to get a outdated standard. |
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In this link they are saying they will release officially just in 2024 https://support.shopyalehome.com/en_us/z-wave-smart-module-faq-BymsRfEI |
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2024? Yeesh, they originally announced the 700 module way back in Sept 2021. |
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Which firmware version do you have on the lock? I re-paired my lock with my zw3 module because I was having some trouble with it and now I can no longer get it to pair. I just get a pairing failed error. Somewhere in there I updated the lock firmware to 1.3.10. Hoping I can rule the firmware out as the culprit. |
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I have the same version, currently paired with the ZW2 module. I was prompted for the firmware update when I paired the ZW2 module. ZW3 modules are out for delivery today. Mail usually comes before 3 EST, so hopefully I have those modules in my hand soon and I’ll provide my results and device information. Crossing fingers. |
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I just got the two ZW3 modules in, and they added to Home Assistant relatively easily with Smart Start DSK. Home Assistant is showing Assa Abloy as the Manufacturer, vs Yale for the ZW2, and it's showing 0x8104 for Product, and Unknown product 0x45d2 for Product Code. S2 Access Control completed successfully, and It does show as Zwave+ version 2. FW is showing as v2.17.0. I am able to lock the deadbolt, and it is providing me the battery state. I am not yet getting the state of the door. I have a wired door sensor to my alarm system to determine if the door has been opened, so I'm not terribly concerned about that, but overall, I'd say it's better than the ZW2 version that I had a hard time pairing, and was running S0 Legacy, Zwave+ version 1, and a 500 series control chip. I imagine I can get the manufacturer and product/product code updated if I submit a request the the Z-Wave JS UI group here on Github. I had the same sort of unknown stuff when I first tried to add this lock to my system back in October with the original ZW2 module. |
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I have 4 of the YRD-450s so just ordered 4 AYR-MOD-ZW3 modules from the ebay guy. not going to lie the fact I only paid like 190 for these locks to have to spend an extra 100 for a ZWave module is nutty, but I'm sure I will make that up in buying batteries over the course of the year. Not sure if it makes a difference but I have a Zooz 800 LR controller as I heard the 700 controllers were buggy at some time. Curious, what do you use to manage the keys? |
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Same experience - I have Yale Assure Levers and Assure 2 450s with the ZW3 module - the Assure Levers report correctly in Z-Wave JS UI but not the 450s. Functionality is same as you report. I had put in an issue with Z-Wave JS UI Git and provided the manual and they commented that the manual included all the variations including the Assure 2 with ZW3 in all the different models they have: |
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Hello everyone. Thanks for this wealth of information. I'm also in the same situation, bought the "new" Assure 2 compatible modules off yales site and realized that they were the older 500 series chipset (sending them back now). I have two 410s (keyed, w/buttons) and just bought two ZW3 modules off ebay. Hopefully I can try to be of some help with setting up this config. The modules I got say they are FW version 2.35.0 on the box, I have the Zwave JS integration though. Do I need to switch to another add-on for this to work? Does anyone know if doorsense is fixed on 2.35 or does that have to do with the config? |
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@Narcopolypse ah, that is very helpful! That answers my question - it looks like command class 113 Z-Wave JS UI is just Z-Wave JS with a frontend, so that wouldn't make a difference. My guess is that since you're using a slightly different lock ( Thanks for sharing that info - it gives me hope that my lock will get DoorSense over Z-Wave sometime! |
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I've been following along a little so apologies if this was touched on already but along with doorsense I'm also not seeing the most recent user code ID. I see it in the zwave log but I don't see anything in the notification tab of the device and of course it doesn't make its way to the home assistant configuration either. I'm guessing this is because it's not sure what to do with the property after an interview since (if I recall) it's more of an appended attribute than a direct CC. |
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ha, smart thinking to check that. I just assumed they would all "just work" 😅 . Thanks again for sharing your info! |
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I have a NTB612 that I pair with an Alarm.com (Qolsys) panel. I installed a few months ago (older ZW2 module) and the batteries lasted only a few days. I was told by Yale (Assa Abloy) that I need the AYR-MOD-ZW3-USA module (but they didn't have info on firmware version for the module). I see the ones listed on Ebay are V 2.17.0 and I see a reference on this thread with V 2.35. Can anyone tell me if the firmware version will update once installed or do I need to find a V2.35 somewhere (or if the v2.17.0 will fix my battery drain issue)? |
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Hey folks got my AYR-MOD-ZW3 modules today so wanted to let you know my experience installing them on all 4 of my Assure Lock 2s (YRD450). Controller: Zooz Zwave 800 LR USB Stick on HAOS installed on Dell Optiplex 3050 USFF running the latest software.
That was it everything I need seems to be working. It adds a shit ton of entities which I don't even know works. I do know the Door sense contact sensor is not working so I disabled it. I actually put ZWave Sensitive strips in my door cracks to handle opening and closing. Which are great because I don't see them when the door is closed. I installed Key Master, mainly so I can sync my codes all from the front door, and that seems to work well also. I use Google Home as my main control interface so they got exposed perfectly with no issues. Now one thing that I really love is how responsive these locks are. They are almost instantaneous compared to the maybe 4 - 5 second delay with the WiFi locks. I have an automation running in Node Red that Lights up the Relay LED in all the Zooz Scene controllers I have in the house (8 in total). It lights green when all doors are locked and red if one door is unlocked. The led changes happened immediately a change occurred. With Wifi it sometimes took anywhere from 1 minute to 20 minutes...and I had to run a side automation to reload the integration just to make sure it ran. All in all I am happy. Yes these things cost $100 a pop, but they work sooo much better now. |
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Is it possible to enroll them without using the Yale app when pairing with the YRD450? I know you could use z-wave without the app on the Assure 1, but I don’t think it’s possible on the Assure 2? |
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Yes. you need to make sure you have the Program Code. I paired mine without the App. |
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My issue with managing codes in the Yale app is that I have to manage each of my 4 locks separately. I ended using Key Manager in Home Assistant where I could sync all my lock codes to a single parent lock which is working great. |
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Could you please let me know the steps for doing this? I was on the phone with multiple people at Yale for hours trying to do this and they told me there is no program code for the YRD450 - this was only on the Assure 1. |
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The Programming code is in the Yale app. Before putting in the Zwave module, I copied all the program codes from the app. I should mention I used the August app for my locks...as I felt it worked better. Also I am not sure if the new Yale App that came out recently shows the program codes like the old one. Anyway, it should appear if you connect to the lock using bluetooth. |
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I can't seem to get mine to pair with my network. Every option i try within ZWave JS results in a dead node. I've done default secure, default secure force s0, and s0. Any suggestions |
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Install z-Wave js UI if you don’t have it. You may need to try excluding the lock first. I would also say completely reboot HA. Sometimes z-wave js just doesn’t want to pair properly, and reboot will often fix it |
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I was able to move my controller to a better position and the lock paired relatively quickly. Are you able to manage user codes through Home Assistant with these? Does anyone have any recommendations on how to do that? |
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I don't use it personally but I've heard about keymaster |
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So you can manage the codes directly on the lock it use something like Keymaster. I have 4 locks so I wanted my codes to sync, so I used Keymaster. I just have 3 of my 4 locks parented to my front door lock and that keeps my codes in sync. |
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Yeah. I installed that based on someone else's recommendation recently. It's a pretty slick integration :) |
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Yes. The only thing I used the app for was the initial calibration (not sure if you can do that without the app or not) and to figure out my programming code. I was only able to find it in the app. But the pairing was done completely outside of the app. |
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Are you using the YRD450? If so, what steps did you take to pair it with z-wave js? For me, the module wasn’t active until I used the set up module option in the Yale app, then I completed inclusion in HA. |
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The initialization and calibration done in the app did mention the module. So maybe you have to go through that to activate it. But since then, I haven't used the app. Haven't started to mess with the blueooth auto unlock using my phone or watch yet. Not sure if that requires the app or not |
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you can set your programming code by holdingthe inside button and then pressing 1 followed by gear. then create the programming code |
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I'm seriously considering returning my Assure 2's for the Ultra-loq Pros. I can't see a single advantage the Assures have. The ultra loq comes with a 700 series zwave module (the assure 2's only have a 500 series), fingerprint reader, and code obfuscation (numbers before and after your pin). Am I missing something? Should I not bother and just keep the Assures? |
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I have 4 Assure Lock 2's 450s. I honestly bought them mainly for 1) Aesthetics and 2) Future Proofness. I have the 700 series ([AYR-MOD-ZW3) module on all my locks as I bought it from the eBay guy. The whole codes obfuscation feature is cool but it did not lessen the fact that the in my opinion the Ultra Loq is freaking ugly and would not pass the wife approval test, LOL. Also not sure if this is the case for the Pro but I watched a review where the guy said the Ultra Loq only does basic Zwave commands and does not have alarm level entities for things like door is jammed and knowing who unlocked the door. Maybe the pro has those features. I dunno. |
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Ultra-loq reminds me of....
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Unfortunately I bought the locks that came with the modules. I figured 6+ months after the lock was released, they would be using the current zwave hardware. Is there any functional difference? I guess with zw3 you get firmware updates, s2 security, longer range, lower power, etc. is there anything different about the functionality of the lock? |
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A wholesaler told me that Yale is aiming for late fall to release ZW3. This perhaps indicates that they will have a fix for the door closed sensor. Although Yale may be just trying to sell out ZW2 inventory before a mainstream release of ZW3. I suspect the current ZW3 is for professional installers like Control4 who won't put up with Yale's turtle-like approach to technology. Yale has always been slow. They were still selling gen 1 modules a year ago. |
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Which probably means next April/May in reality. They had been promising the ZW2 module by end of 2022, and it took until April for it to be released. I’ll be curious if they ever release OTA firmware updates. Their support certainly won’t understand that OTA updates is a requirement of 700 series certification. |
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I just put a ZW3 module from eBay into my YRD450 and I can confirm other reports that doorsense seems to work on this model. HA is reporting firmware 2.17.0, does anyone know if we'll eventually get OTA updates for this? |
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I’ve got 3 YRD652 all on 2.35.0. Door sensor does not work. |
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Yes working doorsense seems to be a peculiarity of the YRD450 |
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Good question. The ZW3 module is a 700 series module, which means for certification, they are required to have OTA firmware update capabilities. It does not however require the vendor to provide any updates to the public. My experience with Yale customer service has been poor at best. I'm not hopeful, unless they acknowledge some vulnerability or shortcoming that is actually fixed in a firmware release. As it stands now, Door Sense and everything is working for me on my 2 YRD420-ZW3 locks. Even better, the lastest Z-Wave JS update in Home Assistant actually correctly identifies the manufacturer and model of the lock, so no more "Unidentified" items in my Z-wave home.
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Yes Yale support told me it's "not possible to update it" but I'm going to try to escalate it. |
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My belief that is their phone support not knowing what they are talking about. Some of their support had no clue what Z-wave even was, yet had to support it. |
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Bluetooth is how the Yale app communicates with the lock for management/etc - I don't think they'd want to provide a way to disable that. As long as you're not connecting to the lock over BT (e.g. by using the Yale app, Apple HomeKit integration, or Home Assistant via ESPHome Bluetooth proxy) the lock is only advertising, which should not take much battery. What kind of batteries are you using @jeremykeen ? For the record I use rechargeable NiMH batteries in my YRD420. I have it connected to Z-Wave JS (ZW3 module), Apple HomeKit (via BLE), and an ESPHome Bluetooth Proxy (also BLE), and the batteries last over a month. I have read it is not recommended to use rechargeable batteries; my guess is that's because the battery level estimation logic expects each battery to start around 1.5v instead of 1.2v. Rechargeable is working fine for me, but they don't seem to last as long as disposable alkaline. |
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There's no reason they couldn't have a way to enable/disable Bluetooth via the keypad settings but I agree that ble shouldn't be doing much if you're not using it You're certainly doing a lot with your lock but a month of battery sounds incredibly annoying to me. On my first gen Yale Assure which had only zwave the batteries lasted over a year. |
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I completely agree ble should not be the issue here. I'm baffled because my 2 older assure locks on z wave only last for several months. Same config, roughly the same usage patterns. I have used rechargeables and regular energizer alkaline batteries. Rechargeables are frowned upon for the reason you stated but I do use them sometimes. In this case, they die in a few days. Attaching screenshot of battery drain on this lock. |
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@jeremykeen maybe something is constantly interviewing your locks Bluetooth module or your zwave controller polls the lock too frequently? |
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fair point, I didn't think about that.
I should have been more clear: I haven't really timed it well enough to know how long my batteries last, but I'm confident it's longer than a month (for comparative purposes). That being said, I'm sure it's not as long as I'd like it to be, and they definitely don't make it to 6 months. |
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z - wave -> I doubt it is happening any differently than the other two that
are not draining rapidly. They all use the same automations etc.
bluetooth -> Maybe. Would home assistant do this? I ignore the lock in home
assistant since I did not want to integrate it using bluetooth.
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Maybe some apple homekit device? They use Bluetooth and those locks are compatible with homekit... |
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I tried a factory reset followed by removing the z-wave module to see how long the battery lasted on bluetooth alone. The battery was fine for well over a month. I reinstalled the z-wave module and re-joined home assistant (new device). The battery was at 78% to start. Just 4 days later and the battery level is showing 27%. No z-wave automations. I joined with S2 security. Is that the problem? My other locks are S0_legacy. Firmware version of the z-wave module is 2.17. Any advice on how to troubleshoot this? Yale support is not helpful and will not provide a firmware update. |
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I have two of the same model with deadbolt with the ZW3 module. I can't say I've had any battery issues. I replaced both locks batteries about 2 months ago or so, and they're at 80 and 85%, and both are using S2 security.
I can't convey how little I think of Yale's support, but I'm hoping once they officially release the ZW3 module to the general public, they'll provide firmware update. Hoping.... Their Tier 1 support isn't going to understand, but to get the 700 series certification, devices are required to be able to receive OTA updates, so their claims that it can't be done are BS, as I've previously pointed out. That being said, I don't think there is a requirement for vendors to actually provide firmware updates, so who knows if Yale will ever provide them, unless they finally recognize issues in their current firmware. |
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The ZW3 module also works on YRD256, with S2. Firmware is 2.35 |
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Wait, really? Do you have a link to the module or the product ID? This is exactly my struggle, and I’d love to get a 700-series zwave module in there instead of the August wifi / connect it came with. |
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Hi - I’ve been reading this with interest. I’m trying to find a smart lock solution for my front door in the UK, that allows local control via HA. I’ve managed that in one door with a Danalock in Zigbee (only one that would fit my Swedish barrel multipoint door), but need another solution for two exterior doors. Yale and Z-Wave seem to be the most reliable for local control but unfortunately the UK version ‘Keyless connected smart lock’ won’t fit my door due to the framing details (ancient wooden door). I think the slightly longer backseat of the US versions discussed here would fit. I realise I’d have to somehow download a US only Yale app to set it up, but am hoping thereafter that Z-Wave and HA would allow daily use. I’m wondering if someone could point me to a list of the features that do work over HA (assuming correct ZW3 module etc) - ideally I’d like a touchscreen version with fingerprint/NFC/physical key but am a bit bewildered by the range descriptions - and be able to lock / unlock remotely, create access codes remotely and monitor door state and notifications when the kids come home etc. A bit of an ask I know, but there is perhaps a Z-Wave spec for these somewhere ? |
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I am no expert here and do not know how things are changed between Europe, GB, or the US in regards to ZWave specs. For me, once on ZWave the locks will function without the need for the App. The App is really only needed to pull the master codes and update firmware. I did not use the Yale app to do this I actually had my locks on the August App. Just make sure you do this first before switching it to ZWave. Once I pulled and stored the codes adding the devices to my ZWave controller was all done thorough the physical lock (No App Required and Fully local to HA). I have a Zooz Zwave 800 LR controller so that probablly helped for the more far away doors as my house is 4300 sqft. I enrolled 4 doors into my system since maybe May and have changed the batteries once. In regards to the app, I only opened the app back in September to update the firmware. All my lock settings are run through Key Master. I am really impressed with the ZWave functionality compared to WiFi. For example I have a HA automation that changes the color of my Scene controller (Zooz) LED if any of the door are unlocked. It works instantly as soon as I turn the knob the LED changes. That one little things has impressed me by far as the response time is insane. I do not use the Bluetooth unlock feature my lock. Mainly because it is kind of wonky and I refuse to use that app. I have been thinking of creating an ESP Presence sensor I can plug into a hidden outlet by my door so I can write an automation for when it detects presence from my phones to unlock the door. I can get a lot more specific with rules on this one. |
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One thing I want to clarify because @lazy-pete specifically noted
I'm not aware of a US model that supports NFC, other than HomeKit's Home Key. Also, in my experience with both the fingerprint model and HomeKit model, both fingerprint lock/unlock and HomeKit lock/unlock are not reflected in K-Wave status. That means that if you use either of those HA will not get the correct status. I have a pretty unreliable hack in place comparing Bluetooth-reported status to Z-Wave reported status to surmise if the lock was unlocked using one of those mechanisms. Documentation seems to indicate that HomeKit status should reflect in Z-Wave but with my module running FW 2.17.0 that is not the case. |
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That’s really helpful- thanks. Sounds as if the physical dimensions work I
should be able to make it all work !
Cheers,
Pete
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I am no expert here and do not know how things are changed between Europe,
GB, or the US in regards to ZWave specs. For me, once on ZWave the locks
will function without the need for the App. The App is really only needed
to pull the master codes and update firmware. I did not use the Yale app to
do this I actually had my locks on the August App. Just make sure you do
this first before switching it to ZWave.
Once I pulled and stored the codes adding the devices to my ZWave
controller was all done thorough the physical lock (No App Required and
Fully local to HA). I have a Zooz Zwave 800 LR controller so that probablly
helped for the more far away doors as my house is 4300 sqft. I enrolled 4
doors into my system since maybe May and have changed the batteries once.
In regards to the app, I only opened the app back in September to update
the firmware. All my lock settings are run through Key Master.
I am really impressed with the ZWave functionality compared to WiFi. For
example I have a HA automation that changes the color of my Scene
controller (Zooz) LED if any of the door are unlocked. It works instantly
as soon as I turn the knob the LED changes. That one little things has
impressed me by far as the response time is insane.
I do not use the Bluetooth unlock feature my lock. Mainly because it is
kind of wonky and I refuse to use that app. I have been thinking of
creating an ESP Presence sensor I can plug into a hidden outlet by my door
so I can write an automation for when it detects presence from my phones to
unlock the door. I can get a lot more specific with rules on this one.
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I’ve found a new issue ! My Aeotec Z-Stick 7 | Z-Wave Plus V2 | ZWA010 | 700 series stick is set to EU region, where it needs to remain. I understand 700 a series controllers region can be adjusted, however I’m unsure whether the region of the eBay ZW3 module https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285530632873?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=vfmPdkJbQ2i&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=xZjAfUceSzW&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY |
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I just wanted to provide some info. I've been using this lock since early november, I am still on my first set of batteries (amazon basics brand, so nothing special). zwavejsui reports my % at 77 still and we use this door fairly often. My specific model is the YRD420-ZW3. Doorsense is working fine for me, it's worth noting that my bluetooth control and zwave controls both work without issue. I am able to create user codes (but not fingerprints) directly from zwave and i can also edit user codes created by the yale access app from within zwavejsui. (small note: zwavejsui does display the codes in plaintext, it would be nice to have that obfuscated in some way) 
some info on my module I am using the device files (in my case im using yrd430-zw3 and the updated template which i provided to the OP of that PR) from this pr #6503 I have another yale assure 2 lock and use the wifi module (didnt want the super old zwave module available for sale) and it's HORRIBLE compared to my zwave lock. burns through batteries and constantly loses connection to wifi. I've tried two wifi modules without any improvement. The zw3 module should become available for sale sometimes this year. |
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I actually emailed Yale Support last night asking if I can get any new firmware that might be available. The response I got back was not very encouraging (perhaps the support person was unaware of the beta, or just didn't understand what I was asking):
I'll push back once and see if I can get anywhere, but I don't have high expectations. We might have to continue waiting until this is officially released. |
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Realized I didn't show doorsense, so I thought I would share just to keep you all excited. I still have no info on buying the module, trust me I want another as well, I'd really like to replace my wifi module in the other lock, it's trash. |
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@drizuid it's working... I'm excited. Though my conversation with Yale Support went so very very poorly, I'm wondering if a firmware update is ever going to be released. I couldn't even convince them that Yale has the firmware for their own module; they told me to ask my "Z-Wave system provider" (i.e. Z-Wave JS) for the firmware file 🤦♂️ . Question: it looks like you're using a custom config file - was that required to get DoorSense working with your module? Z-Wave JS already has a config file for the |
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I'm using what was linked in the PR in my OP. If there is something now, there wasn't originally or is wasn't using the proper device codes |
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saw a bunch of posts recently about doorsense, thought I'd share more shots of mine. It shows twice in HA because there are two sensors, like you see in the zwavejsui shots, one for door state (simple) and one for door state. That said, HA sees them as door open in regular position and door open in tilt position , which is a bit odd. |
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I just purchased a ZW3 module (firmware 2.35) for a YRD430 Yale Lock 2, and I'm underwhelmed. The z-wave module lacks much of the helpful functionality of the Wi-Fi module working through the app. For instance, among other missing features, the lock with the ZW3 module: (1) does not identify the operator of the lock, which I use in some automations; and (2) does not identify whether the lock was operated manually vs the keypad. which I also use in some automations. Does anyone know whether these very helpful features are or can be exposed by the ZW3 module? If not, I'm going to have to return to the slow and battery-draining Wi-Fi module until (hopefully) some additional features are made available via z-wave. |
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Even the Z-Wave 2 module can do this. There's a blueprint that can make it
extra easy, but you can also do it yourself with the info gets sent in a
z-wave notification.
I think the blueprint is called Yale user code automatic or something like.
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I just purchased a ZW3 module (firmware 2.35) for a YRD430 Yale Lock 2,
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functionality of the Wi-Fi module working through the app. For instance,
among other missing features, the lock with the ZW3 module: (1) does not
identify the operator of the lock, which I use in some automations; and (2)
does not identify whether the lock was operated manually vs the keypad.
which I also use in some automations.
Does anyone know whether these very helpful features are or can be exposed
by the ZW3 module? If not, I'm going to have to return to the slow and
battery-draining Wi-Fi module until (hopefully) some additional features
are made available via z-wave.
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This is what I have in Z-Wave JS UI |
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It's possible the add-on Z-Wave JS UI 3.4.1 works with DoorSense but the built-in JS Z-Wave doesn't. If switching from my built-in JS Z-Wave implementation to the add-on implementation doesn't screw up all of my automations, I'll try to find out by installing the add-on version. |
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I think I figured it out, thanks to the updated Integrator's Guide posted by @LSR19. It states that DoorSense can be enabled(!) by setting the Configuration CC, parameter 19, to value 
Once I enabled DPS Alarms and opened/closed the door, two new Door State entities appeared and I now get DoorSense updates via Z-Wave! Updates seem to be delayed about 5 - 10 seconds, but it's a lot better than nothing! |
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What model lock do you have? I do not see a DPS Alarms configuration parameter for my YRD430 lock (using the built-in JS Z-Wave integration). |
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YRD420 with firmware 1.3.16. My ZW3 module has firmware 2.35.0. I'm using Z-Wave JS UI via Docker, version 9.10.2 (which ships with Z-Wave JS 12.5.2). |
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I was able to get DoorSense notifications over Z-Wave working on my Here's the relevant documentation from the Integrator's Guide: Note the following subscript in the documentation:
And a screenshot from Z-Wave JS UI with my updated setting: Now, two of the parameters in the Notifications CC update whenever the door is opened/closed: And the lock device in HA has 4(!) entities that correctly show door status now. |
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I begged Yale support for a ZW3 module firmware update file and it was one of the most frustrating and ridiculous conversations I've ever had in my life. If you can get through to Tier 2 support then maybe you have a chance, but Tier 1 repeatedly told me that I have to get the firmware from Z-Wave JS because Yale doesn't have it 🙄. Eventually I gave up on trying to get them to give me an update. I don't know how long the "DPS Alarms" config parameter has been available to me, but it's possible it showed up after a lock firmware update (via the Yale app) or, more likely, after an update to Z-Wave JS. If you haven't done so recently, you could try connecting with the Yale app to see if it prompts for a firmware update, and then updating Z-Wave JS and performing a re-interview of the lock to see if it shows up. |
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@airdrummingfool are you saying you got the firmware update? Able to share? I had the same frustrating back and forth with support. |
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@jeremykeen unfortunately not - I never got anything useful from support. After 2 weeks of back-and-forth I requested a supervisor and never heard back; after that I stopped following up. |
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I just tried this (zw3 firmware 2.35) and the set attempt failed. Can you explain how you set the parameter to 255? In Z-wave JS, I set parameter to 19, size to 1 byte, value to 255, and format unsigned. Doesn’t work. Thanks. |
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@LSR19 Z-Wave JS UI shows parameter 19 as a configurable parameter for my lock, so I set it there: As a test, I used the "Custom Configuration" UI to reset the parameter to 0 and then used it to set the parameter as you described. I was able to set the value to 255 that was as well: I noticed that trying to write values other than |
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While trying to resolve the DoorSense issue with my YRD430, I stumbled upon a problem about which I have not seen any posts and I cannot figure out the cause or how to fix things. The problem is my lock, after a period of inactivity, fails to transmit when the door auto-unlocks upon my return home. The door does auto-unlock when I approach it and the Yale app correctly reports the door was unlocked, but the ZW3 doesn't transmit. As a result, the expected automation doesn't run. When I looked at the alarm_type and alarm_level codes to see what went wrong, the alarm_type code shows the door was locked when I left 2 hours previously and that's the last thing it reports. It seems the lock isn't waking up the ZW3 to transmit anything when the door is unlocked after a period of inactivity. It doesn't make sense. Has anyone seen this type of aberrant behavior or have any thoughts about what might be the cause? My ZW3 has firmware v, 2.35, and I'm using the official JS Z-Wave add-on (not the UI add-on). |
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I think this is similar to what I've observed with HomeKit BLE Lock/Unlock. I don't think it's a matter of not reporting after a period of inactivity, I think certain actions never trigger the ZW3 module to update status at all. For example, HomeKit Unlock should set alarmType 0xE5 (229) and alarmLevel 0x00 (0), however not only do neither change at all on HomeKit Unlock, the state of the lock itself also doesn't update from locked to unlocked. This does not occur only after some time, I can lock/unlock manually and see immediate status updates in Zwave, then try HomeKit and get nothing, then lock/unlock manually again and get immediate updates again. Also, if I use HomeKit and then re-interview the node or rebuild the mesh, either of which I would expect to trigger a status update from Zwave if the device were just in some sleep state, however the status never changes from HomeKit actions. I've never tested with the Wi-Fi module so I don't know if this would work with that module and is a ZW3 specific issue, or if the issue is simply that the ZW3 (based on documentation) should reflect these actions but the lock itself doesn't send the events for these actions to the smart module. |
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That's interesting. One thing in common between what you've seen with HomeKit and what I'm now seeing with Auto Unlock is BLE. In both cases, a lock/unlock state change caused by BLE seems not to be noticed by the ZW3 (either because the lock isn't sending the information to the ZW3 or it is but the ZW3 isn't responding). I was hoping there was a Configuration Parameter that needed to be set to enable BLE-based events (like DoorSense needs to be enabled), but I don't see any such setting in the May 2023 Integrator's Guide. Perhaps BLE-caused state changes are not yet enabled for ZW3 modules. If so, that could be one reason why Yale hasn't yet generally released the ZW3. |
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I'm seeing similar behavior on my YRD420 - any Bluetooth interaction (from the Yale app or via HomeKit) does not trigger a status update in Z-Wave. However, if I do a "Refresh Values" in Z-Wave JS, the lock status updates to the correct value. |
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I have disabled Auto Unlock until this issue with BLE is sorted out or I can devise a reliable work around. With Auto Unlock enabled, the lock’s actual state (unlocked) loses sync with the state as seen by Home Assistant (locked) when I come home. That makes a mess of every automation that relies on the state of the lock. |
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For my case I "upgraded" from a YRD110 specifically for Home Key. To work around the issue with BLE based actions not updating in Z-Wave I'm using a combination of Z-Wave entities and Bluetooth entities to determine the state of the lock (I have an automation that updates Z-Wave entity state on Bluetooth entity updates so I still have a single source of truth). It's not at all ideal because BT is much slower and less reliable for me than Z-Wave, but it's working for now. |
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Finally we have an official release with the 700 chip. Now just a few more years for the 800 chip. |
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My YRD430 with a ZW3 module has been rock-solid, with very low battery drain and fast response times. It does not, however, detect auto-unlock via BLE. I cannot find where to update the ZW3's firmware. My firmware is v. 2.35. Others have reported different firmware versions. You'd think Yale would provide firmware updates, but I can't find where. Anyone know? |
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I have purchase one of the fingerprint model "Assure 2 Touch" with Z-Wave. (Do not confused "Assure 2 Touch YRD420-F/YRD450-F" with the standard "Assure 2 touchscreen (YRD420/YRD450"). It comes with a AYR-MOD-ZW3-USA 2.40.0. The firmware sticker is over a older sticker and there is a new DSK sticker on top of an older one too. Like the AYR-MOD-ZW2 modules I believe they updated the firmware and placed a new sticker on top of the old. Tested this 2.40.0 module with both my Assure 2 Touch YRD420-F and the standard Assure 2 Keypad YRD410 and doorsense works without issue. App and auto unlock (Bluetooth), fingerprint (Touch model), keypad, and physical lock/unlock does report a correct lock/unlock status over Z-Wave. Standard Assure Lock 2 (Non-fingerprint model) does not seem to be fully supported with AYR-MOD-ZW3 V2.17.0. Auto unlock and App lock/unlock does not update Z-Wave status. Keypad and Key/physical does update. Assure Lock 2 Touch is officially bundled/supported by AYR-MOD-ZW3-USA 2.40.0. Assure Lock 2 is officially bundled/supported by 500-series YRMZW2-US/AYR202-ZWV-USA firmware 1.81 rebranded as model AYR-MOD-ZW2-USA. At the store I have seen Assure Lock 2 boxes with a ZW3 label so it seems the 500 series Z-Wave modules stock has probably started to diminish and they started to bundle the 700 series modules. Firmware of the ZW3 modules bundled with the Assure Lock 2 is also 2.40.0. I do not believe Yale will provide OTA Z-Wave firmware updates so you will be stuck with what ever firmware you purchase. Edit: Updated for clarification/additional info. |
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@tbcse Where did you buy the module with 2.40 firmware? |
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From the Amazon US link that I am replying to. And to update the standard Assure Lock 2 with the ZW3 labels I seen in the store is also V 2.40.0. |
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The Amazon link is the whole lock, where did you get just the module? |
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I am buying an old house and I need to replace locks. I like the Yale assure appearance the best. I am thinking of going with YRD420-F-ZW3-0BP because it's the only model Yale seems to sell right now with the 700 series module. Any thoughts on buying the lock with the 500 vs 700 series right now? |
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i think it's a bit of a toss up on the 700; you're only going to have what i would consider the best firmware if you were in the beta, otherwise, it appears you end up with some wild range of firmware versions. that said, battery life in 700 is better than 500 |
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I see no reason to get any device with a 500 chip. |
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I just got this one (YRD420-F-ZW3-0BP ) and everything works great. |
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I unchecked the S0 level security and only left S2 - does that matter? |
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AFAIK it doesn't as long as it's using either S0 or S2, S2 is supposed to be more secure. |
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Any updates on using the new Z-Wave module (ZW3) with the YRD410 (keypad) variant? I've gone ahead and ordered the YRD410 and a ZW3 module to test it myself but according to @tbcse it might not? |
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I bought a YRD410 on Prime Day and grabbed a ZW3 (firmware 2.35.0) on eBay. Installed last week, works great. Inclusion was pretty easy as well. I haven’t yet installed the DoorSense sensor so can’t report on that, but it sounds like it’ll work just fine with the right config settings. I also don’t use the Yale app for anything like auto unlock, etc, so I suppose I can’t speak to that. But it works great with zwavejs and HA. |
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The standard Assure 2 models started being bundled with ZW3 modules with firmware 2.40.0. I can't speak much about doorsense as I actually don't care about that feature as I got hardwired sensors. It seems 2.40.0 does report doorsense correctly and my initial issue was just me. If you are just picking up a standalone ZW3 module, you might want V2.40 as that's what is officially bundled, although it is probably hard to find this version at this time. Older firmware might not support all features and in my testing V2.17.0 does not always update Z-wave status. On 2.17.0 if Bluetooth is used to unlock the lock (App or auto unlock), Z-wave will still show a locked status. Depending on your usage, you might not care. V2.35.0 sounds to be good as I haven't heard any issues here. But I'm not sure you guys tested Bluetooth lock/unlock, keypad lock/unlock, and physical lock/unlock and check if Z-wave status is correct. YMMV, some of these lock updates might change reporting behaviors. |
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Yah my Assure 2 with Z-Wave that I bought 2 weeks ago had the ZW2 module in it, obviously YMMV. Wish it had come with ZW3 and saved me $90. All the states and functionality (keypad and manually turning the lever) reflect fine in zwavejs, and the app forces you to choose whether you want to manage codes via zwave or the Yale app (can’t be both). I have a few other older Yales I manage via zwave so chose that route, and codes are added as expected. Also thanks to the earlier poster who mentioned the YRD216 can operate with ZW3, I upgraded that lock as well and it all works as expected! |
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For online retailer, it seems homecontrols has them according to their product code. Not familiar with them, but they came up on a Google search. Keypad with ZW3 is $220, and Touchscreen with ZW3 are $240. If you are going touchscreen, at that price you might as well buy the Assure 2 Touch with Z-wave (ZW3) on Amazon which is currently $230. |
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So I was following this thread and purchased an assure 2 BLE, and the v2.35 700 series module on eBay. Surprisingly the door sense showed up as "closed" instead of "unknown", which I believe may be due to my usage of the "auto lock" in in the Yale app. I found that when I had auto lock disabled (in the Yale app), the door open/closed field in zwave would update very slowly/not at all. But once I toggled auto lock on, the field updates very quickly and in essentially real time. The down side was that when the lock was auto locked by the Yale app, it wouldn't update the lock value in zwave. So my workaround was to have an automation in HA lock when door closed on the same time interval as the auto lock time interval. I'm pretty beginner at all of this but I thought this was an interesting behavior to note |
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I know this isn't directly related to the topic, but has anybody used double-sided tape (or similar) to attach the door sense? I'd prefer not to drill holes into my door molding if possible. Also, I can confirm the YRD420-F-ZW3-0BP (Yale Assure Lock 2 Touch with Z-Wave) comes with ZW3 firmware v2.40.0. |
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I got this same lock, and the door magnet seems required to be recessed in the door frame right above where the strike plate goes. Maybe it would work to stick it on the outside, but it's certainly not designed for that. It is easy to mount though - you just drill a hole of the right size and stick it in. I might recommend drilling the hole a little smaller than the instructions say, because I found if you have a metal door, the magnet will come out of the hole and get stuck to it. |
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Ahh! I thought it was installed on the molding and not the door frame (jam). Thanks! |
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It is on the older devices like YRD256, but that version of DoorSense doesn't work with zwave. |
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I think I have figured out what's going on and why my DoorSense isn't working. It never will. I bought six ZW3 modules for my six Yale YRD256 locks from a few years ago, because I got sick and tired of the crappy August modules and their six dumb August Connect BT<>WiFi modules that were always going down, not to mention the battery life was abysmal. All of that said, I was really excited to get DoorSense working, but I have run into two challenges:
It feels really lame to have to upgrade six perfectly fine locks just to get DoorSense and BT, and I'm unlikely to do it, but I'm curious. |
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I have an Assure Lock 2 (I think a 450) with a ZW3 module from ebay installed. I can use both Yale App/BT and Z-Wave, and it appears the configs are separate - I wasn't getting Z-Wave Auto-Lock notifications until I enabled Auto-Lock in Z-Wave CC Config AND made sure the BT Auto-Lock was turned off/set to auto-lock after Z-Wave. When the BT Auto-Lock happened before the Z-Wave I wouldn't get the Z-Wave status update to "Secured", it would just think it was unlocked. My Doorsense is completely broken though because I have an older ZW3 firmware version and we have no way to update. |
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The YRD256 locks are an older model lock than the Assure 2 locks primarily being discussed in this thread. They don't have built in smart capabilities at all (Assure 2 supports Bluetooth out of the box). With the YRD256, you have the option of a Z-Wave module (AVR-MOD-ZW2 or the newer AVR-MOD-ZW3), a Bluetooth (August) module or a Zigbee module. I think there was a Homekit one too but I don't remember. The August module was the only one that had support for doorsense (it had the sensor built into the module), which is why the magnet had to be mounted in the trim of the door. Since you've swapped out your August module for Z-Wave, you no longer have Bluetooth on the lock nor do you have support for doorsense. With the Assure Lock 2 (YRD420/YRD450) - they built Bluetooth and Doorsense into the lock itself and so you are able to add the Z-Wave module in addition to it instead of replacing it. I'm in the same boat with 6 of the YRD256/YRL256's but I always had the older Z-Wave modules and migrated over to the newer AVR-MOD-ZW3 (Z-Wave 700 modules). I personally wouldn't bother upgrading just for Bluetooth and doorsense (it's easy enough to stick a separate Z-Wave sensor on the door to get the same functionality). |
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Ok, so went in Zwave JS UI, ConfigurationV1 and then [20-112-0-19] param019 (property) amd tried to set to 255 I then reinterviewed the lock and lost the option 112-0-19 completely. I'm running a YRD420 FW 1.3.20. |
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Try the Custom Configuration dialog, where you can set the format to Unsigned. 255 is definitely an invalid value for a single signed byte.
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I have a ZW3 with V. 2.35 firmware, and also cannot set DPS parameter 19. I tried using the custom configuration, too. No luck. Just noticed this interesting tidbit … on the Zwave-JS page of Home Assistant, there is a link to a document for my lock listing the lock’s configuration parameters. Parameter 19 is not listed. See here - https://devices.zwave-js.io/?jumpTo=0x0129:0x8104:0x45d3:0.0 |
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Where do you find that custom configuration dialog? I'm not seeing it on my home assistant UI |
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This discussion is just to share some information and my current experience with a Yale Assure 2 lock and a Yale Z-Wave 700 series Smart Module (which are not available from Yale yet, but can be purchased on eBay).
Update 04/04/2024
I now have DoorSense via Z-Wave! The Integrator's Guide (2023 version, thanks @LSR19!) page 31 shows that DoorSense notifications can be enabled by writing
0xFF(255) to parameter 19 ("DPS Alarms") of the Configuration CC. After doing that, I started getting DoorSense updates via Z-Wave!TL;DR
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I recently bought a Yale Assure Lock 2 (
YRD420) and paired it with Yale's new Z-Wave 700 series module (AYR-MOD-ZW3), essentially making aYRD420-ZW3. It included to to my 500 series Zooz Z-Wave stick with S2 Access Control security without any issues. The device ID is0x0129-0x8104-0x45d2.Everything seems to work perfectly except for DoorSense door open/closed reporting - door status is always
undefined, and it doesn't look like the module transmits any Z-Wave data when the door is opened or closed. My understanding is that this isn’t a Z-Wave-JS problem, but a limitation in the smart module itself.Z-Wave JS doesn't have a config entry for this device yet, but since everything seems to work, it's not a big deal. Plus, there's no official entry in the Z-Wave Alliance DB (there is one for the YRD420-ZW2, which is the same lock with a previous-generation Z-Wave module). There is a (draft?) manual available.
I reached out to Yale support, and they replied with the following:
So I guess I'm holding tight and hoping that an update comes out soon(ish)!
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