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proposal: x/debug/trace: add package for parsing execution traces #62627
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Change https://go.dev/cl/544655 mentions this issue: |
I uploaded CL of a decent first cut to golang.org/x/exp: https://go.dev/cl/544655. @felixge and I got some experience using this to port
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For #60773. For #62627. For #63960. For #61422. Change-Id: I3c933f7522f65cd36d11d38a268556d92c8053f9 Reviewed-on: https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/go/+/546026 Reviewed-by: Michael Pratt <mpratt@google.com> LUCI-TryBot-Result: Go LUCI <golang-scoped@luci-project-accounts.iam.gserviceaccount.com> Auto-Submit: Michael Knyszek <mknyszek@google.com>
Change https://go.dev/cl/546737 mentions this issue: |
For golang/go#62627. Change-Id: I48080a9e55ea3e5979a51f303a0c99de9218fd13 Reviewed-on: https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/exp/+/546737 LUCI-TryBot-Result: Go LUCI <golang-scoped@luci-project-accounts.iam.gserviceaccount.com> Reviewed-by: Michael Pratt <mpratt@google.com>
For golang/go#62627. [git-generate] trace/gen.bash 6d7b3c8cd15794811949bb1ca12172eb35ace6ab Change-Id: I27da6561b9433762cf724229c49d7654edcddbda Reviewed-on: https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/exp/+/544655 Reviewed-by: Michael Pratt <mpratt@google.com> LUCI-TryBot-Result: Go LUCI <golang-scoped@luci-project-accounts.iam.gserviceaccount.com>
The parsing API has now landed and will work with Go at tip. I'll update it when changes are made at tip. |
Overall I really like the API. Here are the things I've noticed are missing or confusing (in addition to the things we've discussed before):
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Stack.Frames doesn't follow the latest state of the rangefunc proposal. At a minimum, it should lose the I also don't think that having an iterator is sufficient API. In Gotraceui, we want to index into stacks, preferably without being O(n). Judging from the current data structures involved, it should be possible to add Stack.At and Stack.Len methods. |
I'm somewhat worried about Label, its current implementation, and its semantics. It seems that in the general sense, labels are able to associate a string with a resource, which is valid from the point of the Label event until the next Label event. However, its only current use is to replicate the old GoStartLabel event, which had much tighter semantics than GoStart + Label, and was easier to use, for the two following reasons:
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Arguably having a list of enum values with documentation on which Go versions they are possible for is better for backwards compatibility than arbitrary strings. At the same time, strings provide for better forwards compatibility. Not specific to the parser and more to tracing in general, but: can we rename traceBlockNet to traceBlockIO and use a reason that's not "network"? It's fairly confusing since the "netpoller" isn't limited to network I/O anymore. The runtime internal wait reason is called
I think they make more sense as a state than a range. Syscalls are little different from blocking on other things, even if that might not be true for the implementation. |
I don't know if this is a quirk of the parser or the runtime, but this sequence of events is fairly unintuitive:
Proc 8 and goroutine 80 are supposedly Idle and Waiting respectively when the stack sample is taken. Why does the event refer to them? |
I'm not sure if I should file issues for actual bugs, or keep them here so everything is in one place, but: the new parser crashes when it encounters a region end without a corresponding region begin. Such a trace can be constructed in the following way, which can probably happen in real code due to races, too:
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STW starts being attributed to goroutines is a little unintuitive but it's intentional. Some goroutine is responsible for stopping the world and "owns" that STW. This is useful for attributing e.g.
Huh, I figured this wouldn't be necessary with this new API. I tried to make it sufficiently general that it could accommodate most of not all future semantics changes. Could you describe in more detail what you had in mind? Do you mean the string names of ranges and such?
Oops. Thought I dropped that. Thanks, I'll fix it.
The intent of the iterator API is for the caller to copy out the stacks if they want. The purpose of the iterator is that they can be computed lazily. If it returned a slice of stack frames or allowed arbitrary indexing, those implementations might O(n) themselves which I'd like to avoid. The
I agree it's unintuitive but it's hard to do anything else without even more complex synchronization involving signal handlers. :(
Ahhh, that's just a bug that's also present on tip. Can you please file a new issue for that so I can track it for the release? I'm a bit surprised that happens just because we do have a test for such a case, but it's probably just some simple error on my part. |
But is that data the package should provide, instead of forcing everyone to implement it? Especially without the enums, one currently has to read the runtime source code to know of all the ranges that exist.
I might've jumped the gun here. We can certainly add it once it's needed. I was mostly thinking of the semantics of state transitions. It's true that the new API handles a lot of the state machine, but the different states still have meaning that tools might interpret, and these semantics can change. Of course I won't be able to provide an example until it happens.
I guess that works and the overall memory usage won't be too terrible, although it is annoying to have to duplicate the data in the cases when it's already available in memory at O(1), like it is right now.
I can see how that would be simple in the "load all events into memory" use case, but once we support seeking and incremental (re)parsing, the lack of weak maps will make it hard to drop stacks and the evTables they refer to.
Will do. |
Yeah, good point. My thought was that by the time the range bubbled up to the user, the "stop-the-world" would be evident to a human. But you're right if tools want to do something with it, it's much harder. I wonder if there's a nicer middle-ground between enums and strings. Perhaps more structured strings, in the same vein as (but not the same format as) runtime/metrics?
FWIW, I fully intended to commit to very specific semantics for Runnable/Running/Waiting. These are concepts that will continue to exist in perpetuity and I'm fine with forcing the parser to do any translation, if say we want to change the semantics of the low-level events for some performance optimization or something. I see your point with something like Syscall, but that ties into why I want to make it a range type instead of a state. I expect us to have more flexibility there.
True. We could provide a convenience function, but I'm worried that it'll be relied upon. :( Or, the package could handle the caching itself, but as you point out below...
Yep, that is a really good point and does make this format less useful. Long-term I don't think weak-keyed maps are off the table, and they would be a great for this, but it's not going to happen overnight. I dunno. |
A concrete case: old traces will not have useful information on Ms, while new traces do. I'd like to detect that and not display per-M timelines. Edit: That's no longer the case, so I'm back to no concrete reasons. |
Michael and I discussed the nature of Ps and came to the conclusion that the core of the API might want to focus on Gs and Ms instead, leaving Ps as an implementation detail that takes additional effort to get to. The way Ps are currently modeled in the API, they're higher level than the way Ps actually behave in the runtime, by for example not modeling the _Psyscall state explicitly. At the same time, the API emits transitions for Ps that encode P stealing, which requires consumers to be aware of _Psyscall anyway, as that's when Ps can be stolen. They also have to be aware of P stealing because otherwise these transitions look illogical. We could model Ps more accurately and add the _Psyscall state, but that's an implementation detail through and through, and it wouldn't simplify any of the details around P stealing, it would only make the state machine slightly more accurate and explicit. Discussing this raised the point that the entire concept of Ps is an implementation detail, and what most users really care about are goroutines running on OS threads, not Ps, which in an abstract sense are just tokens, and in a concrete sense primarily matter to people working on the runtime. In fact, with the old tracer, tools already treated Ps as if they were kinda-sorta Ms, just abstracted away from OS state. To make the API easier to use for the majority of users, we could remove Ps, and move events pertaining to Ps to Ms instead. That is, Ms would be available to run / be running goroutines. We'd still provide access to the per-P events from the underlying trace data, via an implementation-specific layer, without the guarantee that this data's shape won't change between Go versions. StateTransitions would gain additional data that allows linking between the high-level information and implementation-specific data, e.g. via P IDs. This would allow most people to focus entirely on Ms and Gs, without having to understand the behavior of Ps to reconstruct the behavior of Ms, while providing an escape hatch to those who actually do care about Ps in their whole glory, P stealing and all. |
For golang#60773. For golang#62627. For golang#63960. For golang#61422. Change-Id: I3c933f7522f65cd36d11d38a268556d92c8053f9 Reviewed-on: https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/go/+/546026 Reviewed-by: Michael Pratt <mpratt@google.com> LUCI-TryBot-Result: Go LUCI <golang-scoped@luci-project-accounts.iam.gserviceaccount.com> Auto-Submit: Michael Knyszek <mknyszek@google.com>
Change https://go.dev/cl/566076 mentions this issue: |
For golang/go#62627. Change-Id: I4671289210fe99f8c728a8c556e29abd4e45de02 Reviewed-on: https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/exp/+/566076 Reviewed-by: Nicolas Hillegeer <aktau@google.com> Auto-Submit: Michael Knyszek <mknyszek@google.com> LUCI-TryBot-Result: Go LUCI <golang-scoped@luci-project-accounts.iam.gserviceaccount.com>
I've been writing some tooling on top of this, too. Overall I've been happy with most of the API except for the experimental batch API. It may be that we just don't make this part of the API public, since I'm not sure it only makes sense to use unless you're also hacking on the runtime. My main issue with the experimental batch API is that an ExperimentalData is attached to every ExperimentalEvent; however, it has no particular relationship to the event. This ExperimentalData is simply all of the batches for that experimental that are in the same generation as the event. This means a consumer needs to check if it's already parsed this ExperimentalData on every event that it processes because the same ExperimentalData will probably be attached to many, many events. At the same time, the consumer doesn't know when a generation changes, so it always has to be ready for a new ExperimentalData to appear. I'm not actually sure if it's safe to throw out the previously parsed ExperimentalData when you see a new one, or if the old and new can be interleaved for a while. If this isn't safe, then the consumer has to keep around old, potentially very large, parsed data because it doesn't know when it can be discarded. A related issue is that each experiment only gets one stream of experimental batches. It's possible to work around this by putting a header of your own on each experimental batch, but it's pretty annoying to need another layer of demultiplexing, and this interacts poorly with the way a consumer has to be ready to parse all of the batches the moment a new ExperimentalData shows up. I think what I want instead is a way to attach a potentially large amount of byte data to a particular event, but it's okay if the constant space overhead of that is somewhat high, so you have to attach a decent number of bytes to amortize the cost of the reference from the event. In my case, I'm recording metadata about each heap span during sweep termination, and then all of the pointers followed during GC scanning. I initially did this as a ton of small events, but that was pretty inefficient and also screwed up trace timing, so I switched to using experimental batches and emitting far fewer events. It would have been much nicer if I could emit one event for "here are all of the spans" (or maybe a few events to split things up) and a lower rate of "here's a bunch of scanned pointers" events. |
As part of #60773 (tracking issue #57175) I've been working on a new parser for the execution tracer, and to save work down the line I've also been trying to come up with a nice API that would work well.
The goals of such an API would be to:
Here are the requirements I have for such an API:
internal/trace
API that doesn't actually expose e.g. the state machine goroutines go through (even though it already has to know about it), leaving users to figure it out again.)mmap
'd trace file).Any such API is likely to have a fairly large surface. Rather than try to list the full API and debate its merits, we should experiment.
https://go.dev/cl/527875 is my first attempt at such an experiment to support the work done for #60773. The implementation is not quite fully baked (there may be bugs, and there's still some validation missing) but it already seems to work for non-trivial traces produced by https://go.dev/cl/494187 (with
GOEXPERIMENT=exectracer2
). (I'll update this section when it's ready, including with instructions on how to try it out.)I plan to take this API and vendor it and/or copy it into the standard library to work as the implementation for supporting new traces in
internal/trace
. That'll help move #60773 along but it'll also give us some experience with using the API.Once I get this API landed in x/exp, and the first cut of the new tracer for #60773, I'd like to invite people to experiment to both shake out bugs but also to identify deficiencies in the API.
For the proposal committee: there's nothing actionable here yet, but I figured I'd create an issue to track work and start a discussion.
Related to #62461.
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