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allow for one-off tips #5

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chadwhitacre opened this issue Jun 5, 2012 · 240 comments
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allow for one-off tips #5

chadwhitacre opened this issue Jun 5, 2012 · 240 comments

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@chadwhitacre
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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Jun 5, 2012

The essence of Gittip is recurring tips, but once we solidify that I'm open to mixing in one-offs.

The reason recurring tips are important is because my mortgage is recurring and Gittip is about paying my mortgage.

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@thiloplanz thiloplanz commented Jun 14, 2012

Maybe not. The sustained weekly tip seems to be the main differentiator for gittip. The motivation behind it is very good, better not to muddle the message. Since the amounts involved would tend to be bigger, this could also lead to (legal and fraud) problems . You can use Flattr (or PayPal) for one-offs. And I suppose you can even use gittip right now for one-offs by just changing your preferences a week later.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Jun 15, 2012

Agree, let's ride the "weekly" wave for a while. We can reticket this if/when there is demand.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Jul 24, 2012

Via HN:

I see no reason why you couldn't just represent the values separately on admin panel... "You are 'earning' $200 a week on GitTip, and also got $50 extra in your tip jar this week."

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@felideon felideon commented Jul 25, 2012

Maybe one way to not break the core recurring model is to implement an "extra tip" feature. So if I commit to $1 a week, every now and then I can tip another dollar (or more) above my current commitment. So it would be more like a base salary + bonus compensation.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Jul 25, 2012

+1

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Jul 25, 2012

I like it, @felideon.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Jul 25, 2012

Not sure we want to constrain to people you already tip though. Maybe it's global? If you give at least $10 a week on Gittip you "unlock" one-offs?

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@felideon felideon commented Jul 25, 2012

That's a good point. I think the bottom line for a developer must be "Can I live off this?" and as long as arbitrary tips don't give a false sense of security then it should be fine.

(Disclaimer: I am not an OSS hacker.)

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@kn0ll kn0ll commented Jul 26, 2012

for what it's worth, i'd imagine recurring tips provide a false sense of security- not one off tips. living off recurring tips would require accepting that at any time, xx% of my living wages could be withdrawn for any or no reason.

with a 1 off tip, there is no expectation other than "here is some money i got, better spend it wisely".

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@felideon felideon commented Aug 1, 2012

That's a good point @catshirt

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Aug 1, 2012

living off recurring tips would require accepting that at any time, xx% of my living wages could be withdrawn for any or no reason.

@catshirt The low tip amounts are meant to mitigate against that. It would take a high percentage of people withdrawing support to put you in jeopardy.

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@thiloplanz thiloplanz commented Aug 4, 2012

Since the amounts involved would tend to be bigger, this could also lead to (legal and fraud) problems

Some ideas to mitigate this:

  • One-off-tips are not instant, but occur during the usual weekly payout. (Until then they can be cancelled or changed)
  • One-off-tips count towards the weekly per-donor maximum amount.
  • One-off-tips follow the same privacy/transparency rules as weekly donations: Receipts are made public, donors stay anonymous.

So in essence, they work just like a weekly payment that you set up one week and cancel the week after that.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Aug 10, 2012

+1 from /r/Anarchism:

Gittip should also add support for non-recurring tips. For one, this is necessary for any system that wishes to subsume the current transactional market economy. Also, with the above model for organizing groups that avoids the problem of capitalist exploitation, one of the main problems with exchange relations -- that it obscures exploitation -- is avoided.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Aug 20, 2012

We should have a UI for leaving a fixed amount in your Gittip account each week to use to fund one-off tips.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Aug 24, 2012

+1 from @danostrowski via Twitter. See his further comments on #255.

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@thiloplanz thiloplanz commented Sep 9, 2012

The possible cooperation with Flattr (which is all about one-off tips) could also bring interesting options here, see #284.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Dec 17, 2012

+1 from @jonsmock via Twitter.

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@jonsmock jonsmock commented Dec 17, 2012

Thanks @whit537 - I missed this issue somehow.

I was picturing the situation where someone posts a helpful screencast or article, but they're not the type to post often. Or they helped me on IRC. Or they helped me on Stackoverflow. I may not want to tip them indefinitely, but perhaps I'd tip them $X this week, because it really helped me out or taught me something.

Seems like the problem for Gittip in general is "converting" people into recurring tippers. One-off tips may be a gateway for people, since the commitment is lower, but it's a concrete stepping stone. And I'd imagine at volume, many one-off weekly gittips would become indistinguishable from a single recurring gittip to the receiver. So there'd be a place for both to coexist.

Example: a screencaster posts on a wide array of topics and has a gittip badge on her site. Perhaps she doesn't have a consistent enough thread to illicit many people to consistently support her through recurring tips, but her screencasts are helpful enough that each week many people offer one-off gittips, not necessarily on her current week's post but also on her backlog.

Not pushing the feature, just offering some food for thought :-)

P.S. this is perhaps pie in the sky, but linking Gittip to StackOverflow could be powerful. (I'm sure someone has thought of this before - sorry!)

Edit: I completely understand that the goal is paying the mortgage, as noted at the top :-) Perhaps I should have focused on the gateway part of this thought rather than my example.

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@kzisme kzisme commented Sep 14, 2015

@mattbk link broken

Erm...Twitter is down right now it seems - My bad!

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@kzisme kzisme commented Nov 25, 2015

I know we are currently focusing on Payroll and other things, but are one-off donations still being thought about for the future?

I ask because we had a recent inquiry about that feature on Twitter

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@mattbk mattbk commented Nov 25, 2015

I think it's still on the table, not sure where it fits on the roadmap.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Nov 25, 2015

Still on the table from my pov. I think, post-2.0, that we should broaden our payments product to be more full-featured: one-off payments, as well as different recurring options.

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@mattbk mattbk commented May 11, 2017

+1 from http://twitter.com/dchw/status/862681585157406720.

@ levicook I see your Gratipay . . . how do I just make a 1 time donation. lvh.me has helped me debug OAuth flow code quite well.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented May 17, 2017

+1 from @HTCode in #4474.

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@HTCode HTCode commented May 17, 2017

I think that after so many years, there is enough evidence that the one-off payments feature is useful. I hope that it will be considered soon. Is there any decision taken about this ?

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented May 17, 2017

We'll get to it eventually.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented May 19, 2017

+1 from Danny Spitzberg in private email.

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Sep 12, 2017

Calling this done in #4598. 😅

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@helmo helmo commented Nov 2, 2017

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@chadwhitacre chadwhitacre commented Nov 2, 2017

Thanks for posting the bounty so long ago, and for the gentle prodding now. However, we have decided that it's time to close down Gratipay, and it wouldn't feel right to claim this bounty in light of that. 🙇

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@helmo helmo commented Nov 3, 2017

Thanks for trying all these years.

PS: I've mailed a request to bountysource to refund this bounty.

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@Cervator Cervator commented Nov 3, 2017

Bounties refunded. Sorry to hear the bad news. Sincerely :-(

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