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wasted realestate #1502
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@HWKPARISTX Not clear as mud at all, and it was a bug. The toolbar is meant to stay in one row: when the window has no room for every group, it folds the groups used least into one button each, and they open when you rest the pointer on them. But it only did that when the page loaded or the window changed size, not when you switched the control size. So after switching to Large it kept the folds of the size before and broke into extra rows, with the empty space you saw. Now it fits again the moment you switch, so Large stays in one row too, as far as the window's width allows. It comes with the next release. Until then, reloading the page (F5) after switching the size does the same. |
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Thank you Stefan !!! I tried using GitHub to donate but for some reason it didn’t want to work. I did as you suggested and use PayPal. That worked, I think!! Since I’m retired on a fixed income I could only do $50.00 USD for now but I’ll tried to do it again as soon as I can…. I LOVE what ya’ll are doing. I’m having trouble just keeping up with all the new updates, but that’s a good thing.
H.W,
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Subject: Re: [henmedia/layerling] wasted realestate (Discussion #1502)
@HWKPARISTX<https://github.com/HWKPARISTX> Not clear as mud at all, and it was a bug. The toolbar is meant to stay in one row: when the window has no room for every group, it folds the groups used least into one button each, and they open when you rest the pointer on them. But it only did that when the page loaded or the window changed size, not when you switched the control size. So after switching to Large it kept the folds of the size before and broke into extra rows, with the empty space you saw.
Now it fits again the moment you switch, so Large stays in one row too, as far as the window's width allows. It comes with the next release. Until then, reloading the page (F5) after switching the size does the same.
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@HWKPARISTX Thank you so much, H.W., that is really kind of you, and PayPal is just fine. Please don't feel you have to give again: telling me what gets in your way, like you did here, already helps a lot. And no need to keep up with every update. When you open a new version, a "New since your last visit" card lists what changed since you were last here, so you can catch up at your own pace. |
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@HWKPARISTX the fix is out in layerling 1.153.0. The toolbar now fits itself again the moment you switch the control size, so on Large it stays in one row as long as there is room. |
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I'm on version 1.153.0 and it's still the same when "large" is selected. see attached. If we could move the different categories around we could get rid of these wasted spaces. |
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@HWKPARISTX thanks for the picture, you are right, and I am sorry: my fix covered switching the size, but your bar still does not fold at Large in a window this wide, so it is not fixed. I will find out why. To help me, two questions: if you press F5 with Large selected, does it still show three rows? And do you use browser zoom or Windows display scaling (for example 125%)? Both change how wide the groups are measured. Moving the groups around is a bigger change, so I would first get the bar to fit by itself at every size. |
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Stefan,
If I hit F5 it stays the same, three rows. If a hold CTRL down and pressing the “-“ or “+” I can change the layout. But I don’t know if I’m at 90%, 100%, or 125% or don’t know how to tell.
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Subject: Re: [henmedia/layerling] wasted realestate (Discussion #1502)
@HWKPARISTX<https://github.com/HWKPARISTX> thanks for the picture, you are right, and I am sorry: my fix covered switching the size, but your bar still does not fold at Large in a window this wide, so it is not fixed. I will find out why.
To help me, two questions: if you press F5 with Large selected, does it still show three rows? And do you use browser zoom or Windows display scaling (for example 125%)? Both change how wide the groups are measured.
Moving the groups around is a bigger change, so I would first get the bar to fit by itself at every size.
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@HWKPARISTX thanks, that helped, and I found it: in your picture the bar is pinned. At the top right, next to the search, there is a small orange pin, "Keep all groups open". While it is on, the bar keeps every group open and wraps into more rows on purpose. Click it once, and on Large the bar folds the groups used least into one button each and stays in one row; resting the pointer on a folded group opens it. For the zoom: Ctrl+0 puts the browser back to 100 %, so you know where you are. Arranging the groups yourself is being worked on right now, in Discussion #1519. |
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By hitting CTRL+0 puts it back to all the wasted space at the top and bottom. Just like in the pic I sent. So I guess I was originally at 100%.
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Subject: Re: [henmedia/layerling] wasted realestate (Discussion #1502)
@HWKPARISTX<https://github.com/HWKPARISTX> thanks, that helped, and I found it: in your picture the bar is pinned. At the top right, next to the search, there is a small orange pin, "Keep all groups open". While it is on, the bar keeps every group open and wraps into more rows on purpose. Click it once, and on Large the bar folds the groups used least into one button each and stays in one row; resting the pointer on a folded group opens it.
For the zoom: Ctrl+0 puts the browser back to 100 %, so you know where you are.
Arranging the groups yourself is being worked on right now, in Discussion #1519<#1519>.
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@HWKPARISTX thanks, then 100 % is right and the zoom is not the cause. What keeps the three rows is the pin: at the top right of the bar, next to the magnifier, click the small orange pin ("Keep all groups open") once, and on Large the bar stays in one row. One correction to my last note: what was built in #1519 is not moving the groups around but taking out the ones you don't need. In the next version, Settings, Appearance, Buttons in the ribbon lets you switch off whole groups or single buttons, which gives the rest more room on Large. |
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@HWKPARISTX layerling 1.154.0 is out with Buttons in the ribbon under Settings, Appearance: untick the buttons or whole groups you don't use, and the rest of the ribbon has more room on Large. What you take out stays in the command search (Ctrl+K). |
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@HWKPARISTX you can now move the groups yourself: Settings, Ribbon tab, arrows beside each group (and each button). Your three rows at Large are not fixed yet. If you press F5 with Large selected, does it still show three rows? |
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@HWKPARISTX sorry, my last note mixed things up: there is nothing left to fix, and you already answered the F5 question. The three rows come from the small orange pin at the top right of the bar, next to the magnifier ("Keep all groups open"). Click it once, and on Large the bar stays in one row. With the new Ribbon tab in the settings you can also move the groups to where you like them. |
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Is there a way to change the location of the categories across the top? Under workspace settings you can only choose the control size to small, medium, or large. With my old eyes the small setting is hard to see. With medium you loose part of the file category. Selecting large puts everything back but uses screen space for a third line of categories while leaving a lot of unused space on the top line. If one wanted the arrange and combine categories to be side by side, you could do that and move the other categories like mirror, split, edges and surface up to the top line which leaves room to move file up to the second row. This would give back the design area space. I'm sure this is all clear as mud, but maybe you'll see what I'm talking about!!
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