Quote posts #461

jamietanna · 2023-03-25T14:46:49Z

Quoting a post on Mastodon ends up looking a bit odd (https://indieweb.social/@www.jvt.me@www.jvt.me/110084066464382647) as the original content doesn't get presented - is there something we can do to ie add the link to the post being quoted, rather than trying to embed it?

snarfed · 2023-03-25T19:48:57Z

Hmm, interesting question!

Afaik Mastodon deliberately has no native quote feature, by design. Background in eg mastodon/mastodon#20673, among others. We could try to construct it ourselves, manually, with text and minimal HTML inside content, but I'm always reluctant to do that kind of thing.

I wonder how other fediverse software supports quoting, if at all, that might be a good place to start.

BF currently converts mf2 quotation-of to AS2 attachment. Here's the log for this post. Mastodon's AP docs say attachment is for media, and don't say anything about quotes, nor do the AS2 core or vocab specs.

snarfed · 2023-04-24T20:22:54Z

Sounds like the semi-standard way to do AP quotes is FEP-e232 (https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/issues/14, https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/announce-activity/3129/4 ). Looks like it's a Note with a Link tag and content in content, eg:

{
    "type": "Note",
    "content": "This is a quote:<br>RE: https://example.com/objects/123",
    "tag": [
        {
            "type": "Link",
            "mediaType": "application/ld+json; profile=\"https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams\"",
            "href": "https://example.com/objects/123",
            "name": "RE: https://example.com/objects/123"
        }
    ]
}

I assume the RE: https://example.com/objects/123 part of the content is optional.

trwnh · 2023-07-12T18:04:26Z

the RE: <url> is the part that gets replaced by tag[0]. basically name is the microsyntax. if you wanted to have explicit affordance for "quote tweet" style semantics, you can use rel.

for example, foundkey does this: https://akkoma.dev/FoundKeyGang/FoundKey/pulls/318 and expects at least one of the following rels:

https://misskey-hub.net/ns#_misskey_quote
http://fedibird.com/ns#quoteUri
https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#quoteUrl

basically, at some point these three uris were used as JSON-LD properties for the same thing.

snarfed · 2023-07-12T19:59:06Z

Oh wow interesting, microsyntax. Whee, and ugh. Thank you!

snarfed · 2023-11-29T23:41:17Z

This is officially on Mastodon's roadmap: mastodon/mastodon#309, https://joinmastodon.org/roadmap

jamietanna · 2024-04-20T08:30:41Z

Quotes are coming in Mastodon 4.4 - https://oisaur.com/@renchap/112299860209222424

temtemy · 2024-05-04T03:07:33Z

The URL to the quoted post does get included when it comes to Misskey quote posts, though for some reason the URL is not a link. And they should be shown as quote posts in Bluesky anyway because it natively supports it.

Example: https://bsky.app/profile/mima.makai.chaotic.ninja.ap.brid.gy/post/3krmzapfowqg2
Original Misskey post: https://makai.chaotic.ninja/notes/9sv2d3tpar

qazmlp · 2024-05-04T09:25:17Z

This seems to be because Misskey doesn't attach a "Link" "tag" for the quote URL.
Which also explains why some clients fail to open these quoted posts natively, in my experience.

(Bridgy probably shouldn't require a "tag" for turning an <a> into a link in general, only for rewriting the href to a bridged one where available.)

Misskey instead attaches the quote URL under the canoncial IRI "https://misskey-hub.net/ns#_misskey_quote" directly to the post to enable quote presentation, which is documented here: https://misskey-hub.net/ns/

(I wouldn't use "https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#quoteUrl".
That appears to be not canonical and potentially collision-prone with future protocol updates.)

temtemy · 2024-05-04T10:33:10Z

Btw quote posts from Bluesky to AP also seem to fail, I don't see any indication of a quote whether it's Mastodon or Misskey.

Mastodon example: https://yamabi.co/@makai.chaotic.ninja@bsky.brid.gy/112278586683792932
Misskey example: https://makai.chaotic.ninja/notes/9s5ccwqg2f
Original Bluesky quote post: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:cu33jkvtkoxyfd45wg7hrhra/post/3kq7qpwkces2q

AtiusAmy · 2024-05-05T09:06:23Z

I feel like Misskey quotes support would be nice as Threads added that as well!

snarfed · 2024-05-08T18:34:13Z

Note to myself: Bluesky quote post app.bsky.embed.records aren't yet implemented in granary's bluesky.py. Need to do that first here. Would be a good starter project for anyone else interested in contributing!

wakest · 2024-05-10T09:57:02Z

This seems like it should get some priority cause how you have it now the feeds with people who are Quote posting a lot totally don't make any sense cause you don't have ANY indication of that they are talking about something else. No need to wait for mastodon to do anything, just include the url of the post they QP about

npdoty · 2024-06-14T15:05:05Z

This would be a huge help for those of us following bridged Bluesky accounts from the fediverse. As it is, many posts simply don't make any sense.

Some Mastodon clients are already handling some version of quoting, even if it's not a part of the core Mastodon software, just by having a URL, and then doing link preview rendering. It's definitely effective, and would make the bridged messages a lot less confusing.

AtiusAmy · 2024-06-14T21:52:12Z

We could also do something like Threads. Threads will have a link to the quote post, but if you're on a software with quote post (for ex: Misskey) it will show as quotes. On software that dont like Mastodon will show as link and if someone quote post a post from someone who is not bridged it will also be a link no matter what software you're on.

English is not my first language, so i must apologize if my point seem not concise

(PS: I also kinda want quote post bridging from AP -> Bsky, I'm from Misskey (one of the many software that supports it) and it looks weird on bsky)

implements https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/e232/fep-e232.md , https://misskey-hub.net/ns#_misskey_quote , and the quoteUrl field for snarfed/bridgy-fed#461

for snarfed/bridgy-fed#461 more: * https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/e232/fep-e232.md * https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/fep-e232-object-links/2722/29

for snarfed/bridgy-fed#461

needed for quote posts, #461

snarfed · 2024-06-18T14:00:40Z

Progress. Here's how Bluesky quote posts now look in Mastodon (https://bsky.app/profile/snarfed.bsky.social/post/3kv6hsw44wk2q => https://indieweb.social/@snarfed.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy/112636479451138698 ):

snarfed · 2024-06-18T14:03:41Z

I'm still looking for a Misskey instance I can create an account on to test this. I've looked at https://misskey.io/ and https://quietplace.xyz/ , and neither of them can see @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy, so I can't enable the bridge on them. makai.chaotic.ninja, which @temtemy mentioned above, doesn't have open signups.

@AtiusAmy, any thoughts on where I can test this?

nanikamado · 2024-06-18T14:24:00Z

Here is the link for @bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid on misskey.io:
https://misskey.io/@bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy

snarfed · 2024-06-18T15:31:14Z

Ah, thank you! And on quietplace.xyz : https://quietplace.xyz/@bsky.brid.gy@bsky.brid.gy

Any idea why it doesn't show up in user search on those instances? Or on eg the users tab of https://quietplace.xyz/instance-info/bsky.brid.gy ?

snarfed · 2024-06-18T17:17:00Z

Useful thoughts from @qazmlp in snarfed/granary@3fc6eb9#commitcomment-143259713 :

Since posts can be edited, the pointed to post may change from the state it was quoted in. Bluesky appears to have laid some groundwork to detect this (I assume to display a notice in such cases, once editing lands and content can diverge).

Fediverse instances (unfortunately) don't do this, and it was only mentioned once in FED-e232: Object Links. The proposal linked there was also closed, so I'm just going to assume it's both not planned and, if it was, would look a bit more complex than what Bluesky is doing 🤷

The alternative is to detect and notify users when a post they've quoted changes, but that's neither reliable in a federated system nor would it work for quoters who don't use social media enough to react. Oh well. Someone might eventually go ahead and do it if it becomes a serious-enough problem.

It seems like current inbox delivery could easily be extended to send Updates for a given post to all authors of known quote posts of that post, which could help with this. I don't know if any fediverse projects currently do that, though. I'm guessing no.

dploeger · 2024-06-19T18:21:09Z

Thanks a lot for your work!

hybridhavoc · 2024-06-19T18:26:06Z

That's interesting because the link posted above (https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:vzeclfzjqfezzecw543cafaq/post/3kvc5vutiol2v) works for me, sends me to the Bluesky post. But I've seen some other bridged Bluesky posts today (like this one https://darkfriend.social/@mmasnick.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy/112644015357113938) that still just have the link to the JSON.

My instance is Mastodon version 4.2.9. The quoted post is probably not itself bridged, so I don't know if that's actually the problem - that it's meant to display differently if it is bridged. If there is intended to be an embed, so far as I can tell that embed never appears for me.

dploeger · 2024-06-19T18:36:17Z

@hybridhavoc yes it does. I'm sorry. I thought it would lead to a Mastodon website for it, but bridgy (intelligently) directly forwards to BlueSky. What I originally meant was the link INSIDE that post, after the RE (see the screenshot above)

snarfed · 2024-06-19T18:37:14Z

@hybridhavoc Mastodon doesn't support quote posts yet, so they won't show embeds at all. But you're also right that quoted posts that aren't bridged won't show as embeds even on platforms that do support them.

I think I've fixed the RE: links now. Example: https://bsky.app/profile/snarfed.bsky.social/post/3kvcdqj4vik2f => https://indieweb.social/@snarfed.bsky.social@bsky.brid.gy/112644716938090636 , screenshot below. Please post here again if you see any new bridged quote posts created after ~11:30a PT today that still have the old bad links!

mackuba · 2024-06-19T18:39:47Z

Ooh, I was just going to ask if they could include the bsky.app URL instead of the ugly /convert/at:// thing, let me test this…

mackuba · 2024-06-19T18:52:32Z

Yup, looking good, thanks @snarfed! 👏

snarfed · 2024-06-19T18:55:18Z

Oh wow, nice, the link preview turns it into a hacky approximation of a quote post anyway, even on Mastodon. Love it.

AtiusAmy · 2024-06-19T21:16:35Z

https://bsky.app/profile/AmyIsCoolz.social.atiusamy.com.ap.brid.gy/post/3kvcmqcpywtt2

Does quote post not work with images on bsky or it can't fetch that specific post of mine (which was bridged afaik)

AtiusAmy · 2024-06-19T21:33:09Z

AP->AT
huh, when I quote post myself (without images) it does not seem to be bridged at all, I'll try again in a sec

AtiusAmy · 2024-06-19T21:56:52Z

Phew Not sure if I should create a new issue, but I narrowed down the problem!

You can see the difference in bridged post here:

https://social.atiusamy.com/@atiusamy

https://bsky.app/profile/atiusamy.social.atiusamy.com.ap.brid.gy

If I quote post a Bluesky user, it is bridged
If I quote post a Fediverse user (that is bridged) it will not be be bridged, however if I send an image in the quote post, it will be bridged just not the quote post.

snarfed · 2024-06-19T22:45:22Z

Thanks for the investigation @AtiusAmy! Will look.

dploeger · 2024-06-20T16:14:37Z

I can confirm that it works perfectly now. Thanks a lot for all your work, people! ♥️

AtiusAmy · 2024-06-22T21:53:50Z

Thanks for the investigation @AtiusAmy! Will look.

Ok I found out something

The amount of post is the same on bsky and AP, despite having less post on the BSKY side (You can count). Not sure what's going on, maybe it is bridged but the appview won't render?

jamietanna · 2024-06-22T21:58:31Z

Noticed that my first quote hasn't rendered properly - maybe my MF2 markup?

Post: https://fed.brid.gy/r/https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2024/06/o0vwu/

Or is this expected?

AtiusAmy · 2024-06-22T22:19:34Z

Probably expected? Misskey supports native quote posting and they doesn't seem to show anything (aside from the weird unknown thing).

snarfed · 2024-06-22T23:50:09Z

Interesting! We haven't really tested web => AP quote posting yet; we clearly need to. @jamietanna I think your mf2 here is probably fine, the (initial) problem here is that BF interpreted it as an article quote, which doesn't trigger the rest of its quote post pipeline. Clearly wrong, the quoted URL is an AP note, so we can do better.

This issue is pretty long and hairy, I'll create a new one.

snarfed · 2024-06-22T23:55:49Z

(Oh and yeah @AtiusAmy is right, Mastodon itself doesn't support quote posts so you won't see it properly there anyway, but BF isn't quite working here regardless.)

AtiusAmy · 2024-06-22T23:59:45Z

Thanks for the investigation @AtiusAmy! Will look.

Ok I found out something

The amount of post is the same on bsky and AP, despite having less post on the BSKY side (You can count). Not sure what's going on, maybe it is bridged but the appview won't render?

@snarfed Do you might know the reason of that (the post that aren't bridged are the quote post of AP user)

snarfed · 2024-06-23T00:03:27Z

@AtiusAmy I don't know for sure, but that's a good guess!

for #461 , fixes AP => ATProto quote post of AP original post that was bridged

snarfed · 2024-06-25T19:38:12Z

OK @AtiusAmy I think I've fixed this issue, bridging fediverse quote posts of bridged native fediverse posts to Bluesky. (Phew, that's a mouthful.) Feel free to try again!

AtiusAmy · 2024-06-25T22:06:08Z

OK @AtiusAmy I think I've fixed this issue, bridging fediverse quote posts of bridged native fediverse posts to Bluesky. (Phew, that's a mouthful.) Feel free to try again!

https://bsky.app/profile/atiusamy.social.atiusamy.com.ap.brid.gy/post/3kvrsg4xahiw2

Took a while to bridge but it works!

snarfed · 2024-06-25T22:19:23Z

Great! Yeah we were backed up for a bit, but we're through the backlog now.

broken by a735396, for #1154 and #461

dploeger · 2024-06-26T18:09:58Z

@snarfed the problem with the link to the JSON representation instead of the quoted post somehow is back.

snarfed · 2024-06-26T18:11:24Z

@dploeger yes! sorry about that, tracked in #1154. I fixed it last night but had to roll back the fix. Attempt #2 is deploying now.

silverpill · 2024-06-29T14:42:40Z

Hello @snarfed ! I can confirm that your FEP-e232 implementation is correct.

You may also add rel property with value https://misskey-hub.net/ns#_misskey_quote. Some implementations do that to indicate that object link is a quote, though this is not required.

snarfed changed the title ~~Improve Mastodon repost (quote)~~ How to handle wm => AP u-quote-of? Apr 9, 2023

snarfed changed the title ~~How to handle wm => AP u-quote-of?~~ Quote posts Feb 12, 2024

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Bluesky -> ActivityPub: quote posts are bridged without what they’re quoting #991

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Bluesky: support quoted posts #1112

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Bluesky -> Fediverse drops attached URLs silently #1126

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bluesky.to_as1: add support for app.bsky.embed.record[WithMedia]

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as2: quote posts: emit and prefer id to url, if available

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Protocol.translate_ids: add AS1 attachments[].id

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Web => AP quote posts #1146

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Protocol.translate_ids: add attachment.url

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Protocol.translate_ids: fix user-visible quote post URL

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Quote posts #461

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