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Doors! Why? What? Where? Who? When? How? #1
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@nelsonic On your question above, we don't need a door to the basement bathroom, just the shower and toilet stalls. |
@iteles sweet! 🍭 2020 Update:we converted the attic into useable rooms so now there are |
@iteles I sent you the email with the dimensions and details for the rear Emergency Exit / Access Doors: Please CC me when you send it to Sr. Antonio. thanks. |
@iteles same for the front door: (please + thank you!) ✨ |
On Wednesday 3rd October @iteles sent 2 separate emails to Sr. Antonio Yesterday 4th October we spent 3h walking around the house with "Chico" (the carpenter) I feel the "doors" issue is "on track" so I'm decreasing the priority from The next action (already added to the main task/todo list above) is to start working on the electronics. |
General observation from a keyboard jockey. Home security is a generic problem, that applies to homes (in general). When building the home, dealing with Taking some ready, off the shelf components is a sensible balance. These guys are building some security products:
And probably 100+ other companies in the space, maybe there are a few who are doing open hardware: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=open+hardware+home+security Maybe simplify? Only the outside doors to be secure? People inside the house by definition are trusted... Is there really need fo granular access? Maybe negotiate and bargain, get a massive discount? My genuine (and blatantly honest observation) this is geek porn. Unless this is dogfooding and you want to branch off into security solutions... I'm honestly thinking it's a bigger problem, much more involved that just door. It includes access cards, and logging, and managements software, everything. #keyboardjockey |
@stefek99 we appreciate your enthusiasm for this project and feedback on this issue. ✨ "it's a bigger problem, much more involved than just a door"Agreed.
We are well aware that the hardware/software involved in securing the house will need to be "sophisticated" to stand any chance of avoiding compromise. This is a challenge we relish not shirk. "it is not unreasonable to prioritize and focus on the areas that you know best."Again, we agree that sticking to what we "know best" is excellent advice. We are prioritising! ✅ What you (and most other people) may not realise is that We don't like to talk about our infosec knowledge/experience much because the one thing we do know about security is that there is infinitely more to learn/know than any one of us could possibly hope to explore. We will be deferring to the experience/expertise of several friends who are world-class experts on infosec (including people who have written core security code for Nest, Tesla, Apple and Casinos); two of them have offered to visit the house over the next few months to help with this. Who Can We/You Trust?
People on the inside of the house are (only) partially trusted; there are always levels of trust. There will be multiple levels of access Being "blasé" about security and blanket-trusting everyone is exactly what we will be avoiding. Hardware?We will be using open source hardware and components to build the security system(s) of the house. We have already purchased the ICs and discrete electronics components for the system. Off the shelf ... ?Most off-the-shelf door entry systems are closed source which rules them out immediately. You name a "startup" that has created a home security system and I will point to their most recent security flaw in the popular press. Let's not even go into exploits available on the "dark web"... 🙊
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TLDR: I read your reply in full. TLDR: Too long didn't reply 😎 So many threads, points, observations. While totally appreciate your points and unique situation (not everyone is a pentester) I'll remain loyal to my initial assessment - custom security is not required for MVP. About other organizations - https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/hackbase - worth checking how they manage access. You seem very well organized, applying for permits and permissions is badass amazing. Full trust and full support! |
For anyone interested in physical access security and how ridiculously simple it is to get into most doors (including e-access doors), this is a fascinating video about it (and how to fix the issues): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnmcRTnTNC8&feature=youtu.be |
We went by the factory to speak to the manufacturers and added the following specs to the budget request:
Waiting for the additional budgets to come in. |
The Search for the Perfect Door - Deviant Ollam | Shakacon |
Bad Doors are everywhere: https://youtu.be/yY96hTb8WgI The “Norman” door. |
I count |
The Electronic Access System is being built in: dwyl/smart-home-security-system#1 🚪 |
Todo
Why?
I cannot trust some random person with the security my house.
There will be a nice laptop and phone
forEach
person in the house.That means a thief could get a sizeable "score" if there is any weakness (within reason)
in our external doors. There are Five External Doors.
All electronic access (e-access) doors will all have magnetic locks #11 and key-less entry.
We will be writing our own (relatively basic) Open Source Software using https://nerves-project.org
strong encryption: https://github.com/dwyl/phoenix-ecto-encryption-example
and an append-only log: https://github.com/dwyl/phoenix-ecto-append-only-log-example
to control all the doors on a closed circuit network (with no internet access).
All access will be multi-factor auth. Doors will have (both) cameras and RFID/Bluetooth.
When presence is detected via motion detection the camera will capture a photo and analyse the face. Thankfully this is already being worked on: #6
if
the detected face is recognised, we show the first "green light". (a physical LED in the door)Why not use an Existing ("3rd Party") System?
Three reasons:
€5,100 + installation for something that is insecure by
default
seems absurd to me.Considering that I plan to re-use these locks/system in future projects, I feel that the up-front investment of my time is justified. Having our own (Open Source) security/access system will also unlock (excuse the pun) many other possibilities.
What?
An electronic door lock with strong digital and physical security for a low cost.
Open Source Software and Hardware that anyone around the world can use and improve.
Where?
The Braga
home
Co-living/Working House!Who?
Me. I cannot "outsource" or delegate this work to anyone else (at least not initially).
The hope/plan is that other community-based housing/living projects will use and improve ("harden") the system and in the not too distant future, all locks and security systems will be open source.
When?
Now!
How?
List and Categorise the Various Types of Door in the Braga Home:
home
?How Many Doors are there in the House?
46
(20 e-access
)Basement
14
e-access
.e-access
.e-access
.e-access
.e-access
.e-access
.e-access
.e-access
.Middle Floor
12
e-access
.e-access
. ("Hidden Book Case"). ㊙️e-access
.2nd Floor
16
e-access
. Custom made from Ply & Stainless Steel Sheet.Attic Floor
4
e-access
.The only downside we have with the Attic floor is that there is no POE to that level
so we need a custom solution for the doors. 💭
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