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Look into setting up as a legal entity in the UK #1301

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drjwbaker opened this issue May 15, 2019 · 36 comments
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Look into setting up as a legal entity in the UK #1301

drjwbaker opened this issue May 15, 2019 · 36 comments
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Further to #878 (comment), a walkthrough of what I found at https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity

  1. (a) Check if Setting up a Charity is Right for You.

Possibly. We may be better suited in the first instance to becoming an 'Unincorporated Association' https://www.gov.uk/unincorporated-associations There is advice on this at https://www.resourcecentre.org.uk/information/legal-structures-for-community-and-voluntary-groups/#uia (a charity that supports community groups in setting up)

  1. (b) Check if you are eligible

Based on https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-makes-a-charity-cc4/what-makes-a-charity-cc4 we are. Summary:

  • we fit one of the 13 purposes of the Charity Act ("(b)the advancement of education")
  • we are for public benefit
  1. Trustees

See https://www.gov.uk/guidance/trustee-board-people-and-skills?step-by-step-nav=3dd66b86-ce29-4f31-bfa2-a5a18b877f11 and https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/finding-new-trustees-cc30?step-by-step-nav=3dd66b86-ce29-4f31-bfa2-a5a18b877f11. This would involve some work.

  1. Structure

Based on https://www.gov.uk/guidance/charity-types-how-to-choose-a-structure, we won't have a wide membership (e.g. who can vote at AGMs) and we probably don't want a corporate structure (as we'd have to send annual accounts to the Charity Commission), so this points again to an 'Unincorporated Association'

  1. Creating a governing document

Based on https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-write-your-charitys-governing-document, I'm again erring towards an 'Unincorporated Association' because it requires a constitution only in the first instance, which I think we are better placed to write, but the work that goes into that looks like it can be converted into a full charity at a later date is needed.

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drjwbaker commented May 15, 2019

More info on being an 'Unincorporated Association' in the UK

From https://www.resourcecentre.org.uk/information/legal-structures-for-community-and-voluntary-groups/#uia

An unincorporated association is a membership organisation. It can be whatever its members want it to be, and carry out whatever activity the members choose. It is the easiest, quickest and cheapest way for a group to set itself up. It is ideal for many small groups, especially those without staff or premises. A large number of groups fall into this category (sometimes without knowing it). To set up an unincorporated association, your group simply needs to draw up a constitution, setting out the rules under which it will be run.

An unincorporated association can be a charity, but it does not have to be. Many unincorporated associations primarily benefit their own members, and are therefore not considered to be charitable and are not regulated by charity law. For an unincorporated organisation to be a charity it must have charitable aims and be run for the public benefit. If your group is not charitable you do not need to register with or report to anyone. If your group is charitable, you will need to register with the Charity Commission if your annual income is over £5,000 per year.

An unincorporated association is not incorporated, so it cannot enter into contracts or own property in its own right.

To set up an unincorporated association, all you need to do is write and agree a constitution in your group. If you do not plan to become a charity, your constitution should lay out whatever aims you want for your group. If you wish to be a charity, it is best to base your constitution on the model constitution on the Charity Commission website.

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Thanks @drjwbaker . This sounds like a good possible path forward, and more reliable than through a university. Let's put it on the agenda for the next meeting.

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Thanks @acrymble. I'm looking into whether a UK-based Unincorporated Association (because if we go for this it will be as the bank account will be in the UK) can have non-UK based voting members. I'll report back when I hear more.

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Great , thanks @drjwbaker . I won't be at the next meeting but I m keen to keep an eye and contribute to further investigate this path.

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Thanks @amsichani. If we go for this, the bank account will need three UK-based signatories, so we might need you on that.

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Thanks @acrymble. I'm looking into whether a UK-based Unincorporated Association (because if we go for this it will be as the bank account will be in the UK) can have non-UK based voting members. I'll report back when I hear more.

I've been advised that I should seek legal advice on this. I'm looking into if Sussex has expertise than can answer the question. More soon.

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Let me know if I can help.

@drjwbaker
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@acrymble Will do. Would be useful to chat about it. Are you coming to my talk Tuesday per chance?

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If I can get back from exam board I will.

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Okay. If you don't, lets try to have a brief call later in the week.

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Update. Sussex doesn't appear to have this expertise. I've drafted an internal case for funds (matching that provided by University of Hertfordshire #1194) to instruct a lawyer to advise us. Deadline 31 May. Money has to be spent by 31 July. So hopefully we can move fast on this.

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Update. I have a solicitor interested. They are willing to provide an initial consultation and written follow up advice on structuring (note, initial thoughts are that becoming an 'Unincorporated Association' isn't the best idea and, as expected, "the overseas aspects do need to be handled carefully"). I've submitted a bid for internal Sussex funds to pay for this and some support with subsequent work that is needed (paperwork, opening bank accounts, et cetera). I'll know by mid-June. Thanks to @acrymble for comments on a draft bid. If I don't get it, let's re-evaluate. If I do, I'll take the lead but might need some rapid support from @programminghistorian/project-team with things we might then need to do like draft a constitution, start picking trustees, agreeing to be co-signatories on a bank account.

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drjwbaker commented May 29, 2019

I had a meeting today with the head of a learned society based on campus (they wanted to quiz me about OA, I wanted to quiz them about charitable status, so it was a fair exchange). A few notes of interest:

  • Becoming a charity in the UK creates an admin overhead: e.g. we'd need trustees, an annual meeting, to submit annual returns the Charity Commission and HMRC.
  • But becoming a charity is pretty straightforward, and most charities follow a template structure.
  • Becoming an Incorporated Charity would protect us from liability if, say, we published an article that contained plagiarism and we were sued.
  • Charities have to have a clear charitable mission. If we can define things in our mission that people might wish to pay for (services we are experts in), that can be a good way of generating revenue for PH.

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Note from #1286 on Board of Trustees: think about whether we want to use this tactically to engage senior folks with us, or whether we can perform those roles.

@drjwbaker drjwbaker changed the title Look into setting up as a charity in the UK Look into setting up as a legal entity in the UK Jun 14, 2019
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Two updates:

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Two updates:

I took a meeting earlier this week with someone from the Sussex Innovation Centre. Two things to note from this:

  • First, they provide services such as accountancy (which we'll need) on a fee basis or via funds I can apply to at Sussex.
  • Second, they have a lot of expertise in market research, and one thing we discussed is getting evidence of how our readers/audiences would feel about us transitioning from our current model of access/labour to a model that might include some kind of subscription/membership that provided additional benefits. To be clear, I'm not suggesting we ever stop being OA, just that if we become a legal entity it gives us an opportunity to look at revenue streams to reinvest in the work we do - we may as well think big rather than just make enough to pay the costs (accounting) of being a legal entity.

I took a meeting today with the Learned Societies Liaison Officer at the Foundation for Science and Technology. Highlights:

  • If we incorporate (e.g. as Charitable Incorporated Organization, or CIO) a number of things happen:
    • The CIO would be legal separated from its members (us), in that it has rights and duties
    • Members (us) cease to all be equally liable (as we are now) if we, say, publish a plagiarized article
    • The duties of members (us) become more formalized if we incorporate: e.g., the Technical Team would be responsible for ensuring that we reused software in fair and legal ways; or the Manager Editor would be responsible for ensuring that a lesson we published was not plagiarized. Now if we all volunteer our time to these tasks, the CIO would be unlikely to win a case to cover costs from the individual responsible for doing something illegal. But if any of us were paid to work for the CIO (and here we'd have to be careful re how @mdlincoln's time working for PH is described..), the CIO would have a better chance of recovering costs. In short, the duty of care is higher for paid workers than volunteers.
    • Trustees of a CIO don't have be in the UK.
    • The CIO would need a UK postal address.
    • There is a model constitution for CIOs.
    • If we go down a CIO route, the Learned Societies Liaison Officer at the Foundation for Science and Technology has agreed to offer advice on the constitution we draft and to guide us through the online application process, without us having to join the the Foundation for Science and Technology (which was a very generous offer).

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To sum up for #1337:

  • I'm taking meetings.
  • It looks like a Charitable Incorporated Organization or a Social Enterprise are our two best options.
  • Sussex has given us some money for a solicitor to take an opinion. I'll ask them to evaluate these two options.
  • The Sussex money has to be spent by end of June, so hopefully I'll have a proposal for you all to consider by the end of summer.
  • At present though, my recommendation is that we do become a legal entity so that a) we can grow sustainably and b) we protect ourselves as individuals from unlikely, but still potential, liabilities.

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Update: I'm meeting nominated solicitor on Monday for an initial consultation. I'll update on next steps after the meeting.

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Thanks @JMParr. I really appreciate your vote of confidence!

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Hi @drjwbaker and @acrymble - thanks for all your hard work on this (I wasn't able to join you physically, thats true).
Company Limited by Guarantee sounds like a good idea to me. As a newbie to the company world, I searched for some extra information on the nature of the company and obligations of Directors/ members:
https://www.companylawclub.co.uk/companies-limited-by-guarantee#why (feel free to add resources).

First thoughts, at this stage

  • what about shares? "there may be different classes of shares, it is possible to have different classes of members in a guarantee company" or we are all gonna keep the minimum liability/shares for all of us - this needs to be declared at the company's articles " liability is limited to the amount of the guarantee set out in the company's articles, which is typically just £1."

  • The name sounds good to me - although I am not sure in what extent we want/need to keep the firm distinction between the project and the company , also at the name level. btw, we can avoid having the Ltd if we wish at the name (A not for profit company limited by guarantee can be exempted from having the word 'Limited' (or 'Ltd') at the end of its name if it is set up for certain objects. These are the promotion of commerce, art, science, education, religion, charity or any profession) . I feel that this might be a source of misunderstanding about the nature of the company and its relationship with PH, a volunteer led project.

Do keep us updated on the progress, drop me a line if you need any help and again 🎉🎉🎉

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@amsichani Thanks for the comments. In turn:

  • There won't be shares. That is a different type of company ("Company Limited by Shares"). We will be a "Company Limited by Guarantee", which is common for non-profits. In this strucutre the members are guarantors. See the differences on gov.uk.

  • On the name, we will have a clear explainer page on this (simple facts, list of Directors, links to AGM minutes, et cetera). I feel we should keep the 'Limited' because it will be a limited company, just one without shares and that is not for profit. In addition to an explainer page, I can imagine footer text that says something like: "The Programming Historian is a volunteer-driven project whose financial activities are administered by ProgHist Limited, a Not for Profit Company Limited by Guarantee that is based in the UK, Company Number X"

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Thank you a lot James for this work. It must be difficult to deal with this kind of tasks, so appreciate and I thank you for your efforts. Just one silly question: do we need to say that we are based in the UK?

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Thanks @arojascastro. I'm learning a lot of new things, so I don't mind putting in the effort.

We don't have to say we are based on the UK, but legally a company has to be registered in a country, and in this case - for reasons of clarity, precision, and transparency - we probably should say where the company based. Perhaps we could adjust the footer text (which I'm just making a suggestion at for now) to something like:

The Programming Historian is an international volunteer-driven project whose financial activities are administered by ProgHist Limited, a Not for Profit Company Limited by Guarantee that is registered in the UK, Company Number X

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cool! yes, that little change is much more accurate :)

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Agreed. 'Based in' wasn't the right phrase. Thanks for the correction.

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Thank you for your work, @drjwbaker and @acrymble. If I can be useful, please let me know.

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Thanks @spapastamkou. If we all agree to go ahead, we'll be sure to fully explain what being a director will entail.

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Short update. Documents will be with us from Girlings soon. In the meantime, note that we'll be looking to take out Charity Directors’ and Officers Indemnity Insurance once we incorporate. For why, see https://www.adviceuk.org.uk/products-and-services/insurance-financial/trustees-directors-and-officers-insurance/. Basically, without the cover, a director’s personal assets could be at risk if a claim was to be made that contested a decision they made on behalf of the organisation.

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drjwbaker commented Jul 22, 2019

Opinion and Articles

All. Caroline Armitage at Girlings has delivered an opinion and draft articles on the matter of setting up as a legal entity in the UK. The opinion is consistent with my note at #1301 (comment). I attach the documents for your attention below.

@acrymble and I agree that this matter demands swift resolution. So in a slight adaptation of our Lazy Consensus model, we propose that we aim to discuss and agree a position on this at our next Editorial Meeting on 28 August. For the sake of simplicity, we will decide at that meeting whether or not to proceed to incorporate a non-profit in the UK for the purposes of administering the legal and financial aspects of our work. If we agree to proceed, we will work on the details (e.g., as discussed on this ticket, what to call the company or how to display this on the site) on a ticket by ticket basis.

So please read (or at least flick through) the attached before 28 August, and if you have any questions please post them to the ticket. If you can't make the meeting and would like to offer your support or reservations, again the ticket is the place to do it.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thanks Caroline for her swift and insightful work. And the School of History, Art History and Philosophy at the University of Sussex for providing the funds to instruct Caroline via our Higher Education Innovation Fund, as well as for admin support with invoices and the like (especially my colleague Paige Thompson!)

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Thanks @drjwbaker I have no questions at this time. Thanks for your work.

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drjwbaker commented Aug 28, 2019

We agreed at #1362 (comment) to take forward the proposal to incorporate at #1301 (comment). Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this piece of work. It has been a long road since we originally started looking into ways in which we could legally receive and spend money! (see #878 (comment)).

Closing this issue now. Note the following issues relate to decisions taken before registering as a company:

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