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Look into setting up as a legal entity in the UK #1301
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More info on being an 'Unincorporated Association' in the UK
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Thanks @drjwbaker . This sounds like a good possible path forward, and more reliable than through a university. Let's put it on the agenda for the next meeting. |
Thanks @acrymble. I'm looking into whether a UK-based Unincorporated Association (because if we go for this it will be as the bank account will be in the UK) can have non-UK based voting members. I'll report back when I hear more. |
Great , thanks @drjwbaker . I won't be at the next meeting but I m keen to keep an eye and contribute to further investigate this path. |
Thanks @amsichani. If we go for this, the bank account will need three UK-based signatories, so we might need you on that. |
I've been advised that I should seek legal advice on this. I'm looking into if Sussex has expertise than can answer the question. More soon. |
Let me know if I can help. |
@acrymble Will do. Would be useful to chat about it. Are you coming to my talk Tuesday per chance? |
If I can get back from exam board I will. |
Okay. If you don't, lets try to have a brief call later in the week. |
Update. Sussex doesn't appear to have this expertise. I've drafted an internal case for funds (matching that provided by University of Hertfordshire #1194) to instruct a lawyer to advise us. Deadline 31 May. Money has to be spent by 31 July. So hopefully we can move fast on this. |
Update. I have a solicitor interested. They are willing to provide an initial consultation and written follow up advice on structuring (note, initial thoughts are that becoming an 'Unincorporated Association' isn't the best idea and, as expected, "the overseas aspects do need to be handled carefully"). I've submitted a bid for internal Sussex funds to pay for this and some support with subsequent work that is needed (paperwork, opening bank accounts, et cetera). I'll know by mid-June. Thanks to @acrymble for comments on a draft bid. If I don't get it, let's re-evaluate. If I do, I'll take the lead but might need some rapid support from @programminghistorian/project-team with things we might then need to do like draft a constitution, start picking trustees, agreeing to be co-signatories on a bank account. |
I had a meeting today with the head of a learned society based on campus (they wanted to quiz me about OA, I wanted to quiz them about charitable status, so it was a fair exchange). A few notes of interest:
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Note from #1286 on Board of Trustees: think about whether we want to use this tactically to engage senior folks with us, or whether we can perform those roles. |
Two updates:
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Two updates: I took a meeting earlier this week with someone from the Sussex Innovation Centre. Two things to note from this:
I took a meeting today with the Learned Societies Liaison Officer at the Foundation for Science and Technology. Highlights:
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To sum up for #1337:
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Update: I'm meeting nominated solicitor on Monday for an initial consultation. I'll update on next steps after the meeting. |
Thanks @JMParr. I really appreciate your vote of confidence! |
Hi @drjwbaker and @acrymble - thanks for all your hard work on this (I wasn't able to join you physically, thats true). First thoughts, at this stage
Do keep us updated on the progress, drop me a line if you need any help and again 🎉🎉🎉 |
@amsichani Thanks for the comments. In turn:
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Thank you a lot James for this work. It must be difficult to deal with this kind of tasks, so appreciate and I thank you for your efforts. Just one silly question: do we need to say that we are based in the UK? |
Thanks @arojascastro. I'm learning a lot of new things, so I don't mind putting in the effort. We don't have to say we are based on the UK, but legally a company has to be registered in a country, and in this case - for reasons of clarity, precision, and transparency - we probably should say where the company based. Perhaps we could adjust the footer text (which I'm just making a suggestion at for now) to something like:
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cool! yes, that little change is much more accurate :) |
Agreed. 'Based in' wasn't the right phrase. Thanks for the correction. |
Thank you for your work, @drjwbaker and @acrymble. If I can be useful, please let me know. |
Thanks @spapastamkou. If we all agree to go ahead, we'll be sure to fully explain what being a director will entail. |
Short update. Documents will be with us from Girlings soon. In the meantime, note that we'll be looking to take out Charity Directors’ and Officers Indemnity Insurance once we incorporate. For why, see https://www.adviceuk.org.uk/products-and-services/insurance-financial/trustees-directors-and-officers-insurance/. Basically, without the cover, a director’s personal assets could be at risk if a claim was to be made that contested a decision they made on behalf of the organisation. |
Opinion and ArticlesAll. Caroline Armitage at Girlings has delivered an opinion and draft articles on the matter of setting up as a legal entity in the UK. The opinion is consistent with my note at #1301 (comment). I attach the documents for your attention below. @acrymble and I agree that this matter demands swift resolution. So in a slight adaptation of our Lazy Consensus model, we propose that we aim to discuss and agree a position on this at our next Editorial Meeting on 28 August. For the sake of simplicity, we will decide at that meeting whether or not to proceed to incorporate a non-profit in the UK for the purposes of administering the legal and financial aspects of our work. If we agree to proceed, we will work on the details (e.g., as discussed on this ticket, what to call the company or how to display this on the site) on a ticket by ticket basis. So please read (or at least flick through) the attached before 28 August, and if you have any questions please post them to the ticket. If you can't make the meeting and would like to offer your support or reservations, again the ticket is the place to do it. I'd like to take this opportunity to thanks Caroline for her swift and insightful work. And the School of History, Art History and Philosophy at the University of Sussex for providing the funds to instruct Caroline via our Higher Education Innovation Fund, as well as for admin support with invoices and the like (especially my colleague Paige Thompson!)
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Thanks @drjwbaker I have no questions at this time. Thanks for your work. |
We agreed at #1362 (comment) to take forward the proposal to incorporate at #1301 (comment). Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this piece of work. It has been a long road since we originally started looking into ways in which we could legally receive and spend money! (see #878 (comment)). Closing this issue now. Note the following issues relate to decisions taken before registering as a company:
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Further to #878 (comment), a walkthrough of what I found at https://www.gov.uk/setting-up-charity
Possibly. We may be better suited in the first instance to becoming an 'Unincorporated Association' https://www.gov.uk/unincorporated-associations There is advice on this at https://www.resourcecentre.org.uk/information/legal-structures-for-community-and-voluntary-groups/#uia (a charity that supports community groups in setting up)
Based on https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-makes-a-charity-cc4/what-makes-a-charity-cc4 we are. Summary:
See https://www.gov.uk/guidance/trustee-board-people-and-skills?step-by-step-nav=3dd66b86-ce29-4f31-bfa2-a5a18b877f11 and https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/finding-new-trustees-cc30?step-by-step-nav=3dd66b86-ce29-4f31-bfa2-a5a18b877f11. This would involve some work.
Based on https://www.gov.uk/guidance/charity-types-how-to-choose-a-structure, we won't have a wide membership (e.g. who can vote at AGMs) and we probably don't want a corporate structure (as we'd have to send annual accounts to the Charity Commission), so this points again to an 'Unincorporated Association'
Based on https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-write-your-charitys-governing-document, I'm again erring towards an 'Unincorporated Association' because it requires a constitution only in the first instance, which I think we are better placed to write, but the work that goes into that looks like it can be converted into a full charity at a later date is needed.
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