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Let me add some further information to clarify the motivation behind this question. 1. What magnetic helicity really measures 2. The helicity–energy inequality (Arnold 1974) where
3. Numerical consequences: why the discretisation matters
This is not just a subtlety – numerical reconnection can spuriously release magnetic energy, heat the plasma, and trigger artificial instabilities, completely altering the solution. 4. A subtle example: magnetic braids with zero total helicity
Which one corresponds to real physics? This leads to two important issues:
5. Why this matters for Athena++ (and any MHD code) I opened this discussion to understand how well Athena++ (especially in curvilinear coordinates) respects magnetic helicity conservation out‑of‑the‑box. If the code already does a good job, great – we can use it with confidence. If not, perhaps this thread can serve as a starting point for requesting new features or more advanced discretisations (e.g., structure‑preserving schemes) from the developers. I’d love to hear your experiences, references, or ideas on:
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Hi everyone,
I have a question regarding the integral conservation of magnetic helicity$H_m=∫A \cdot B \mathrm dV$ (where $A$ is the magnetic vector potential) in ideal MHD (without Ohmic resistivity) simulations using Athena++.
In Cartesian coordinates, the constrained transport algorithm preserves$\nabla \cdot B=0$ to machine precision. For smooth solutions and suitable boundary conditions (e.g., perfectly conducting walls), magnetic helicity is theoretically conserved in the ideal limit.
I am particularly interested in whether anyone has tested or benchmarked the conservation of$H_m$ in different 3D cases (2D being trivial), in particular cylindrical and spherical geometries. For example, using simple smooth or non-smooth field configurations, how well is magnetic helicity conserved compared with known analytic solutions? Any published references, code experiences, or known caveats would be greatly appreciated.
Two points that might be relevant for such tests:
1.Ambipolar diffusion and the Hall effect produce electric fields perpendicular to$B$ ; therefore, in the absence of Ohmic resistivity, they do not directly affect magnetic helicity conservation. If significant non‑conservation is observed, it should not be attributed to these effects but rather to numerical or boundary issues.
2.The spatial reconstruction method and the Riemann solver can indirectly influence magnetic helicity, because the evolution of$B$ is coupled to the velocity field through the induction equation. Discretization errors from these choices may accumulate and affect the integral.
Thank you.
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