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你这两条形态其实已经有现成的、维护中的工具能处理——dsh-session-surgeon(#6151 里 xiaoshenming 贴过处理清单): 另外这份数据对推动修复很有价值:255/256 的真实命中率、「0.1.6-alpha.1 同段代码逐字节相同」的结论、还有 256/256 通过的规范化验证——这三样合起来基本堵死了「孤例/未复现」的回应空间。建议把这篇挂进两个汇总线:#6520(社区核实的未修复清单)和 #4910(格式治理的架构层讨论)——「修迁移器而非让每个用户改文件」的共识正在这两个帖子里聚。 |
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@hshskou — two notes from our side on the two shapes, one of which may be relevant to the counts you measured. 1. Shape 1: we have seen this before, in #6045
(Those four line references are @PerryLink's verification on #6045, not ours; we did not re-read that source ourselves.) We mention it only in case it is useful: a reader who lands on either thread has no way to know the other exists. 2. A split our store happened to give usIn our own store we ran a read-only pass and split the sessions by origin. As of 2026-09-12 (our store is live and keeps growing, so this is a snapshot, not a constant):
The shape we saw: the rewrite is selective — normalizing 3. Shape 2: we have no dataFor the second shape — a plugin source carrying 4. One thing our own store also showsOur own dry run shows the same shape you describe: the source artifact is untouched and the chain passes those sessions once the two shapes are normalized. For shape 1 we are pointing at an existing report rather than adding one — so what we can contribute in this thread is limited to the origin split in §2. Authorship note: reproduced and measured by me against my own store; root-cause tracing and drafting assisted by AI; verification and publication by me. I have no engineering background — if any technical claim reads wrong, please call it out; I will re-verify against the toolchain and correct. Reported by the OfferKuai Team — Founder: Zhaofeng (Yaming). Website: https://www.offerkuai.com/ | Contact: contact@offerkuai.com 中文版@hshskou —— 我方这边有两条与你那两种形态有关的观察,其中一条可能与你测到的数字有关。 1. 形态 1:我们在 #6045 里见过「
(上述四处行号来自 @PerryLink 在 #6045 的核实,不是我们读的;我方未自行重读那段源码。) 提这个只是以防有用:读者若只落在其中一帖上,本来无从知道另一帖存在。 2. 我方 store 恰好给出了一个拆分在我方自有 store 上做了一次只读遍历,按来源把会话拆开。截至 2026-09-12(我方库是活库、仍在增长,这是时点快照、不是常量):
我们看到的样子是:改写是选择性的 —— 把 3. 形态 2:我方没有数据第二种形态 —— 插件 source 带 4. 我方 store 也呈现同样的样子我方的只读遍历也显示:源件一个字节未动,两种形态规范化之后那条链就能放行。形态 1 我方是指向一份已有的报告而非新增一份,所以在你这帖里我们能贡献的只有第 2 节那个来源拆分。 声明:本次实测与统计由我针对自己的数据完成;根因追查与文稿撰写由 AI 辅助;核验与发布由我本人负责。我没有工程背景 —— 若任何技术表述有误,请直接指出,我会对照工具链重新核实并更正。 本报告由 OfferKuai(Offer快)团队提交 —— 创始人:Zhaofeng(Yaming)。官网:https://www.offerkuai.com/ | 联系:contact@offerkuai.com |
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这两类形状(
同样用官方 0.1.7-rc.1 的 边界:这是逐形状归一,不做行级降级;未知类型( |
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We are the account that reported the descriptor shape as 1. A window you can use to scope shape 1For the That may be useful for scoping rather than counting: a store's exposure to shape 1 is bounded by its own history in that window, and nothing outside it can produce the shape. We should be explicit about the limit of that: it covers shape 1 only. We have not run the same reading for the plugin-source 2. Both gates, or the normalization does not landOne detail from the source reading that matches your per-shape approach: the refusal is enforced at two places — the version literal at the v0→v1 edge, and a second hardcoded literal in the payload validation for Your description already normalizes both shapes, so this is only a note about what a narrower tool would miss. 3. On the aggregate numbersWe read your closing point — that 255/256 → 256/256 style totals depend on the We are plugin authors, not maintainers; nothing here asks you to change what your tool does. Authorship note: this reading is mine, against published package contents; root-cause reading and drafting assisted by AI; verification and publication by me. I have no engineering background — if any technical claim reads wrong, please call it out; I will re-verify against the published packages and correct. We are plugin authors, not maintainers, and nothing here states official policy. Reported by the OfferKuai Team — Founder: Zhaofeng (Yaming). Website: https://www.offerkuai.com/ | Contact: contact@offerkuai.com 中文版我们是把 descriptor 这一形态作为 1. 一个可以用来界定形态 1 范围的窗口对 这更可能用于界定范围而不是计数:一个库对形态 1 的暴露面,由它自己在那段窗口里的历史决定,窗口之外产生不出这个形态。 我们想把这条的边界说清:它只覆盖形态 1。 插件 source 的 2. 两处都要归一,否则不生效从源码读数里有一个细节,与你的逐形态做法吻合:这个拒收是在两处落实的 —— v0→v1 边上的版本字面量,以及 payload 校验里 你的描述里两种形态都已经归一,所以这只是一条"范围更窄的工具会漏掉什么"的注记。 3. 关于整体数字你收尾那句 —— 255/256 → 256/256 这类总数,取决于 我们是插件作者、不是维护者;本文不要求你改工具的任何行为。 声明:本次通读与核对由我本人完成(对象为已发布包内容);文稿撰写由 AI 辅助;核验与发布由我本人负责。我没有工程背景 —— 若任何技术表述有误,请直接指出,我会对照已发布包重新核实并更正。我们是插件作者、不是维护者,本文不陈述任何官方政策。 本报告由 OfferKuai(Offer快)团队提交 —— 创始人:Zhaofeng(Yaming)。官网:https://www.offerkuai.com/ | 联系:contact@offerkuai.com |
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Two useful additions from your side — the version window especially. One measurement back on the "both gates" point. Both refusals read the same field, so one rewrite satisfies both. On 0.1.7-rc.1:
Since both compare A narrower tool that only edits, say, a header or a cached copy would indeed still refuse; ours touches the event payload only, and nothing else in the descriptor. One honest limit. The repair rewrites the version and nothing else. If the same descriptor is also outside the released shape in another way (an unreleased Thanks for the 27-version reading — it bounds exposure to shape 1 by the writer window (0.0.1-rc.1 → 0.1.1-rc.2), which is more useful than a count. Noted that shape 2 has no such window yet. |
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Three additions, all of them about the shape of the window rather than about the repair. The window closes at the far end tooAt the near end you have it: the rewrite satisfies both gates because both compare At the far end: One line number to reconcileIn the same tarball we measure What we still cannot boundShape 2 — the plugin-source Authorship note: the code locations above were re-read by me against the published tarballs of the versions named; drafting assisted by AI; verification and publication by me. I have no engineering background — if any technical claim reads wrong, please call it out; I will re-verify against the toolchain and correct. Reported by the OfferKuai Team — Founder: Zhaofeng (Yaming). Website: https://www.offerkuai.com/ | Contact: contact@offerkuai.com 中文版补三条,都是关于这个窗口的形状,不是关于那个改写本身。 窗口在远端也关上了近端你已经拿到了:改写能同时满足两处门,因为两处比的是同一个 远端是这样的: 一处需要对上的行号在我们拉的这个 tarball 里, 我方还界定不了的形态 2(插件 source 的 声明:上列代码位点由我本人对照上述版本的已发布产物重新通读;文稿撰写由 AI 辅助;核验与发布由我本人负责。我没有工程背景 —— 若任何技术表述有误,请直接指出,我会对照工具链重新核实并更正。我们是插件作者、不是维护者,本文不陈述任何官方政策。 本报告由 OfferKuai(Offer快)团队提交 —— 创始人:Zhaofeng(Yaming)。官网:https://www.offerkuai.com/ | 联系:contact@offerkuai.com |
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行号对上了:两处读数一致,我上一条的 我重新在 rc.1 的已发布 tarball 和本机安装副本上各读了一遍(两份文件字节相同,104,888 字节): 远端封闭这条也同意,而且它影响我们怎么写这条修复:既然已经没有还在写 形态 2(插件 source 的 |
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The writer you name is on the public registry, and the honest result of looking is a boundary rather than a window. We said in this thread that we had not run that reading, and that we would rather say so than imply symmetry with shape 1. We have now looked at the one end of it that can be looked at. The part that is enumerable
The part that is notWhat cannot be read off is the set. That plugin's own line runs from Why this is structural rather than a gap waiting to be closedShape 1's window closes because the value that decides it lives in the kernel, and the kernel's published artifacts are an enumerable set: read the constant out of each one and the range falls out, which is what we did for the twenty-seven subagent releases. Nothing in that method depends on anyone's cooperation — the produced value is in the artifact and the artifacts are all published. Shape 2 turns on the opposite question. It is not "which kernel releases can produce it" but "which plugin releases write it", and the artefact route does not transfer: the writing site is third-party code, and what a plugin writes is only visible by reading that plugin's own releases one at a time, in each plugin line. The set of lines is not ours to enumerate — ours is one of them. So the form shape ends up with a different kind of boundary than the descriptor shape. Descriptor: a closed interval, eleven kernel releases, derivable from the artifacts. Form: a known writer with a date, and an open set of writers behind it, derivable only from each writer's own history. What you can state for it is the shape constraint — a We do not think leaving that one open costs anything today; we mention the difference so that it is not read later as an omission that simply was not gotten to. Authorship note: the registry readings above are mine, against published package metadata; root-cause reading and drafting assisted by AI; verification and publication by me. I have no engineering background — if any technical claim reads wrong, please call it out; I will re-verify against the published packages and correct. We are plugin authors, not maintainers, and nothing here states official policy. Reported by the OfferKuai Team — Founder: Zhaofeng (Yaming). Website: https://www.offerkuai.com/ | Contact: contact@offerkuai.com 中文版你点名的那个写者在公开 registry 上,而认真看一遍的结果是一条边界,不是一个窗口。 我们在这条线程里说过:那个读数我们没做,并且宁愿直说、也不暗示它与形态 1 对称。现在我们把唯一能看的那一端看了。 可以枚举的那一半
读不出来的那一半读不出来的是集合。这条插件线从 2026-08-13 的 为什么这是结构性的,而不是一个将来会补上的空形态 1 的窗口之所以能合上,是因为决定它的那个值住在内核里,而内核的已发布产物是一个可枚举集合:把常量从每一份里读出来,区间就掉出来了 —— 我们对那 27 个 subagent 版本做的正是这件事。这套方法不依赖任何人的配合:被产出的值在产物里,而产物全都已发布。 形态 2 问的是相反方向的问题。它不是"哪些内核版本能产出它",而是"哪些插件版本写出了它",而"读产物"这条路不可移植:写出点是第三方代码,而一个插件写了什么,只能在每一条插件线里、一个一个版本去读它自己的发布。有哪些线,不是由我们来枚举的 —— 我们自己就是其中一条。 于是 form 这一形态拿到的界,与 descriptor 那一种是不同类型的。descriptor:一个闭区间,十一个内核版本,可从产物导出。form:一个有名字、有日期的写者,以及它背后一个开放的写者集合,只能从每个写者自己的历史里导出。对它你能陈述的是形状约束 —— 我们并不认为把这一条留着今天是有什么代价的;说清这个差别,只是为了让它日后不被读成"当初没来得及做的事"。 声明:上列 registry 读数由我本人对照已发布的包元数据完成;根因判读与文稿撰写由 AI 辅助;核验与发布由我本人负责。我没有工程背景 —— 若任何技术表述有误,请直接指出,我会对照已发布的包重新核实并更正。我们是插件作者、不是维护者,本文不陈述任何官方政策。 本报告由 OfferKuai(Offer快)团队提交 —— 创始人:Zhaofeng(Yaming)。官网:https://www.offerkuai.com/ | 联系:contact@offerkuai.com |
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你们把形态 2 的界说清了,我补一个实操上的区别:写者集合不可枚举,不等于暴露面不可枚举。 形态 1 的窗口之所以「从产物里掉出来」,是因为决定它的值住在内核里。形态 2 的决定性事实其实也在产物里 —— 一条 我们这边就是按这个形状谓词做的( |
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摘要 / Summary
真实环境从 0.1.1-rc.2(当时 npm
latest)升到 0.1.5-rc.2(next) 后,256 条旧会话里 255 条打不开,GUI 里逐条报历史加载失败: failed to observe session …。原因不是数据损坏,而是 v0→v1 迁移器拒收两种由 0.1.1-rc.2 自己写出的、已发布的 v0 形态——迁移器接受的形态清单没覆盖它们:subagent/descriptor的data.version: 2(迁移器只认 3;231 / 256 条会话命中);source.summary搭配非notice的form(写方是 dsh-mnemon 0.3.5;223 / 256 命中);199 条两者都有。fail-fast 本身没问题——
source v0 artifact remains unchanged,原件一个字节没动(76,081 个 zstd 帧、0 撕裂)。但对正常升级路径代价很大:一次版本升级就让近 90% 的历史不可读。我已用未修改的迁移链验证:只把这两处形态本地规范化,256 / 256 全部通过(241,872 个事件、0 失败) ⇒ 缺口在"迁移器接受的形态清单",不在数据。这两条形态此前未被上报(与 #5694 的
replayState.kind、#5909 都不是同一个);另外我核对了 0.1.6-alpha.1 的同一段代码逐字节相同 ⇒ 目前所有已发布版本都尚未修复。Upgrading one real installation from 0.1.1-rc.2 (then npm
latest) to 0.1.5-rc.2 (next) left 255 of 256 legacy sessions unreadable (failed to observe session …). Two released-v0 shapes are refused, and both were written by 0.1.1-rc.2 itself — the accepted-variant inventory is simply missing them:subagent/descriptorwithdata.version: 2(231/256 sessions; the migrator accepts only3, behind two gates), and a plugin source carryingsummarywith a non-noticeform(223/256; writer was dsh-mnemon 0.3.5). Fail-fast is the right default (source v0 artifact remains unchanged; 76,081 zstd frames, 0 torn), but on the ordinary upgrade path it costs ~90% of a user's history. With those two shapes normalized locally, the unmodified chain migrates 256/256 sessions, 241,872 events, 0 failures — the gap is the inventory, not the data. Neither shape appears in the previously reported threads, and 0.1.6-alpha.1 ships byte-identical code, so no published version fixes it yet.Environment
0.1.5-rc.2(npmnext); previously0.1.1-rc.2(npmlatest) for ~2.5 weeksdsh web --no-open(127.0.0.1:3080)dsh-mnemon0.3.5 (upgraded to 0.5.9 in the same window),dsh-context,dshmarket,@linxin666/dsh-web-all, and a few local pluginsversion: 0(session.jsonl.zstd), i.e. they never got rewritten; the v0→v1→v2→v3 migration runs lazily on read, which is why the breakage only appears when a conversation is openedShape 1 —
subagent/descriptorwithdata.version === 2Verbatim record from
session.jsonl.zstd(real,labelis the delegating plugin's own text):{"type":"subagent/descriptor","seq":152547,"time":1788023939929,"data":{"version":2,"mode":"one-shot","provider":"fork","label":"Mnemon idle checkpoint review"}}Observed error:
Refusal site —
dsh-session-format-v0-to-v1/lib/index.js:1584-1588:There is a second gate behind it. Relaxing only the
ifabove moves the failure to the generic literal validator (lib/index.js:591):So a fix has to widen the accepted
versioninventory (disposition/payload validation), not just the early check.Scale: 231 / 256 sessions, 1–N occurrences each, all
version: 2(no other historical values observed).Shape 2 — plugin source carrying
summarywith a non-noticeformVerbatim record (message text elided, 275 chars):
{"type":"user/message","seq":9,"time":1788877342296,"data":{"id":"7104423c-d1b6-4885-8cc6-bc0a1ca09529","role":"user","content":[{"type":"text","text":"[MNEMON] <instructions, elided>"}],"source":{"kind":"plugin","plugin":"dsh-mnemon","form":"instructions","summary":"Optional memory recall and remember reminder"}},"surfaceOp":"append"}Observed error:
Refusal site —
lib/index.js:948-949, with the form allowlist at934-941:Note that released v0 declared
summaryas an optional member of any plugin source (assertReleasedV0Keys(source, ["kind","plugin"], ["form","sections","summary"], label)atlib/index.js:919-926), so the cross-field rule ("summary ⇒ notice") is the newer, stricter constraint. The historical writer is dsh-mnemon 0.3.5, whosecreatePluginMessage(text, form)emits{kind:"plugin", plugin, form}plus a UIsummary; mnemon 0.5.9 no longer emitssummary(verified in its source), so this shape stops being produced — but it stays in every log written before the plugin upgrade.Scale: 223 / 256 sessions, exactly 1 occurrence each. 199 sessions carry both shapes.
Impact
历史加载失败: failed to observe session … (gateway/internal)per session.session.jsonl.zstdandsession.v3.jsonl.zstdcoexist in the same session directory).Repro (no private data required)
A minimal artifact consisting of the session header plus either record above is sufficient.
Verified local normalization (what a fix would need to do)
Applied in-memory per file, then run through the unmodified chain above:
subagent/descriptor.data.version:2 → 3(231 records);source.summarywhereform !== "notice"(223 records).Result: 256 / 256 sessions migrate, 241,872 events, 0 failures. Every touched payload also passes the v3-side validation — i.e. these
version: 2descriptor payloads satisfy theversion: 3key/type/semantic checks as-All reactions