Application profiles #165
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More love for "preset.pref" files. |
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@0709wiwiwi thanks for the idea! "Profiles" would be more suitable and recognized (?) by the users. We will need a manager, as users should not required to use files. |
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I manage presets of all applications that allow it to keep my personal config in a safe place. I usually save preset files with a timestamp to have versions. |
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I like the idea of this - certainly it might be useful if you wish to use Cruiser with a totally different GUI/config setup on a regular basis with faster switching than the "Preferences" import/export (which is more Power User, in my opinion). Putting my "new user" hat on - I feel like an in-app manager would be better for the load/save/import/export unless any of the popular Cloud/Dropbox options would require the user to navigate "around the folders" using the in-built Android file system. From a UX point-of-view, if any kind of activity can be handled "in app" with the Cruiser style/theme then it makes for a better product. |
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@0709wiwiwi I hope we can find nice translations in the other languages! 🙂 |
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Another possibility it to use another name in app profiles and use the "profiles" name here. |
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Would it be possible to save the BRouter profile in the preferences? Originally posted by @Leeb64 in #266 (comment). Preference files save everything, app settings, BRouter profiles / no-go areas, etc. Currently when loading preference files, BRouter profiles / no-go areas were not restored. This will work properly in next Cruiser: everything will be restored from the preference files. |
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"Profile manager" is one of the next big features that are currently being prepared in Cruiser.
You can manage your app profiles on one screen and switch between profiles easily with just 1 click.
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I suppose that .pref file should disappear and use the .json files to save preferences. So in this situation, a complete backup will need one json for each profile. It could be more difficult (or take more time for users) but allow the ability to share profiles. Maybe the new concept of the "old" import/export could be to save all (or selected) profiles in a folder, and something similar to import. If this is complicate or too much work, save the used profiles is not complicate and just take less than a minute. json files are human readable and allow a simple user to compare 2 profiles easily, I think is a good idea the new format. There are more than 300 settings saved on each profile, this is a high level of customisation! |
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Correctly, although we can keep import of .pref files for a period of time to allow users to migrate easily to the new profile manager.
I can implement an "Export all" that exports all profiles to a zip file (like with favorites).
@airald 👍
Cruiser customization is indeed insane! 🙂 |
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Looking through the .json file, I see a record of the type
When you look closely, many of them seem to be related to other profiles. For example, a motorcycle profile and the parameters of hiking trails are described... Which of course doesn't change the fact that
And for that, many of us love him ❤️
Maybe the "Import all" function to complete? Also for Favorites it would make sense if icons, colors and visibility on the map/route were also imported 🙂 |
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This is a remnant from the past when we were testing levels in BRouter avoidances.
Import in profiles (and favorites) allows multiple files to be selected. |
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(now that all reports have been resolved) Please test the new profile manager very well and let me know if we need anything else: |
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I see the new option to export all profiles to a ZIP file. It works, and the name is the timestamp, useful to have versions. If I'm not wrong, to import, we need to select which profile import with long tap and then select the uncompressed file stored into the zip. For me it's OK, better than import all profiles at the same time. There's no need to have the same names from new "container" profile and backup profile. |
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In import, if we select multiple profile files, they are imported as new profiles. Note: Base profiles (with star) can be updated except for their name and type. |
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I don't found the option to import except updating an existing profile. |
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@airald the context menu appears when long press on any profile. |
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Or when we import a profile we can show a question if it should create a new profile or update the existing one. |
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updating an existing profile is the only way I found to import, and I think is enough, we usually have few profiles. Using this way it's possible import a friend profile into a new profile. i.e: I can import a friend profile with a name of one of my existing prfiles without overwrite it. I usually makes backups, so it's very useful to backup all profiles at the same time, but only import when something is wrong or in special situations. |
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I'm just thinking... Having an "Urban Motorcycle" profile (prefers fast roads but not highways), a "Country Motorcycle" profile (only tertiary and gravel roads), and a "Road Motorcycle" profile (prefers highways), we will easily create a dream trip. That is three segments: shortest and fastest to the borders of the city, then a pleasant trip through the backcountry, away from the cities, and finally back on the highway for dinner. What's more! With the "Hiking" profile, we can plan a walk in the forest in the meantime (I know, it's uncomfortable with a helmet and moto boots 😀). This is a super universal solution that is a dream come true! By adding even a walk, it is even more than we know and remember 🙂 Well, it's probably not that simple. For example, the fact that changing the profile requires restarting the application... But it's nice to dream 🙂 |
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@Ciutnik we are probably talking about different things? This is about the app profiles: travel type + app settings. What you mean is the routing profiles? It is a different feature: |
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Yes, but from the user's point of view, the end result is the same. Routing profiles (i.e. a set of routing preferences, including the router) are already included in the application profiles, so maybe routing profiles wouldn't be necessary? That's why I said about super-universal solution. |
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@Ciutnik correctly, all routing (and more) options are included in the app profiles. You mentioned different routers or options in one route. |
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But not in planning. In planning, we can choose either what we have set in the active profile, or a straight line. What if it was possible to indicate a ready-made application profile as a source of routing parameters? All the necessary data is included in it. |
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Something like that is already planned in: We'll see if it can be combined with the app profiles, that contain much more data, |
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A great new feature is coming to app profiles:
I changed the profile loading mechanism (there are very few settings that need restart). |
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Available for testing in: |
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Nice, much clean! |
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Another interesting feature is that each profile could only display its own settings. e.g. "Motorcycle" profiles show only the motorcycle options for BRouter, speeds, voice distances, etc. This would greatly simplify the settings, so users don't see options of other profiles. |
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I see in "main menu" only appears the selcted profile type options but in settings appear all in order to change settings of any profile type without need to change into many profiles. Very useful to keep main menu more clean. |
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All profile settings have been reorganized and simplified in: It would be more useful if the BRouter (offline) options were more directly accessible. Remember: profile routing options are directly accessible in the menu "Routes | Options". App profiles should now be considered complete and ready for public release. |
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More profile improvements are available in: App language is now global and there are more checks for the (global) storage folder. Please try to break the profiles! Import other profiles as If you see anything strange, please let me know and try to remember your steps. |
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Also make a clean install of Cruiser from Google Play on a device that is not installed, |
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Active map is global? |
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Global: active map / poi, app language, storage folder. |
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With the new profile manager, I am thinking to add more profile types:
Do you think we need more or something related to bikes or motor vehicles? |
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A second motorcycle profile would I appreciate: "Motorcycle offroad"! "Motorcycle" for onroad tours and "Motorcycle offroad" for gravel tours. You then are able to set different zooming level and annoucement distances, etc. |
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We can already create extra profiles based on the default (or custom) profiles and customize them differently. I am just thinking here about adding some new profile types (with icons) that may be useful in different needs: "Running" is certainly needed. I am still not sure about the others, as they can be covered by existing profiles. |
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Didn't remember that! Now it took me few minutes to have this: |
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We can customize the settings of all profiles as much as we want. |
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Alternative implementations without (hidden) long press menu. Which do you prefer?
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You can test the implementation in profiles in: |
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When tapping right I don't get any menu to maintain the profile. The six dots do nothing neither on tapping nor on long pressing. |
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@DolomitesTom |
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@DolomitesTom Samsung probably modified the default Android timers. 🙂 It was also reported here, there will be a new Cruiser later today to fix this. |
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Yes, 2x Samsung, OK thx |
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A different implementation to fix the problems in Samsung devices: @airald @Ciutnik @DolomitesTom and others, please test in your Samsung devices.
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Works now, thx |
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The alternative is to show the menu also with long press Like the favorites / waypoints lists work now (which will be similar to profiles list). I am not sure which one is better and more user friendly? |
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I confirm that the "six dots" menu works properly on my two Samsung tablets. Thanks! 👍 By the way, since you plan to release the public Beta soon, it's probably time to decide on the naming. This is mentioned at the beginning of the topic. Shouldn't "Profiles" be replaced with "Presets" to reserve "Profile" exclusively for routing options? |
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I would prefer the same behavior in waypoint-, favorites- and profile-lists. |
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Better to keep the term "Profile" as it's a more common word, easily translated to Cruiser's 10 languages(!) Note: there is no more a profile option in the route settings. We can change the "Type" of custom profiles with the profile menu.
I am currently adapting all these lists to work similarly. 🙂 |
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I hadn't thought about that before. The list of points on the route (picture 1) is probably a good argument for making it easier to change the order. That is, the option with the left icon as a handle, not a long tap. |
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New profile manager is available in Cruiser 3.0.32. |
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I am not a fan of such "hidden features" (like the current profile manager), I prefer when everything is immediately and directly recognizable and accessible without the need to "tap somewhere to check if there is some functionality hidden behind"... Originally posted by @bios4 in #35 (reply in thread). |
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It would be nice to put the Profiles as a large button. We also have to think about symmetry (6 or 8 buttons):
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From my point of view you can easily add the profile manager plus the subscriptions as two additional big buttons! |
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In my humble opinion, the main menu header, where the name of the current profile is displayed, is a good "button" to activate the profile manager. That is, as it is now. I would only make it less hidden by adding an icon on the right side (six dots that we already use elsewhere) and make this header higher - just like the footer with the buttons "Subscription" and "X". |
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This is easy! 👍 |
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These app profiles function are usefully fine. However each minor change during an operation is immediately saved in the current profile. |
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App settings (stored in app profiles) can only be changed by users in an intentional (not unexpected) action. A lock switch will be again handled by the users. Or do you mean specifically the routing options? |
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Android saves settings automatically, anything else requires more and complicated work. |
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I am preparing a trip to Greece and experimented a bit with profile ex/import to synchronize my 3 devices Pixel 6 (on the bike, navigation only), Pixel 7pro (my phone), RealmePad (for route planning in the hotel). Pixels | Realme |
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Generally the waypoints should be on the same locations to make exactly the same tests in both devices. But here the difference is at the start. I asked to move slightly the end point because: But in this case I think it is the cache of BRouter. If start + end and options are the same, Moving start or end forces a clean route calculation. |
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Share routes (and other Cruiser data) with friends will be much simpler in the next version. There will a new "Share" action in all menus and it will work offline without internet or cloud: |
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Thank you for your effort. I have no problem with these implications. Good to know that profile ex-import ist not an issue and how to take corrective action for route calculations. |
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A recalculate all (this example has only start and end) could have had the same effect or not ? |
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Currently the cache is used in all actions, I will check it again. |
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New profile manager is available in Cruiser 3.0.32.